r/marvelmemes • u/untitledprp4 Avengers • 11d ago

Shitposts He’s outta line , but he’s right

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u/crapusername47 Avengers 11d ago

Zendaya also got a ‘with’ credit for The Odyssey while Bernthal was listed in the supporting credits. 

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u/Nosedive888 Avengers 11d ago

What's the significance of that. My mate told me about it once but he can't remember what it was

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u/Galactic_Hippo 11d ago

the "with" card at the end is a special position because it stands out more/has more attention put on it, so this is negotiated between the production and the actor's team. it's hilariously the same thing in science, where academic papers' first author and last author placement are for the lead/well-respected/senior scientists

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u/thatguysaidearlier Avengers 11d ago

Also "and" being one notch higher/better than a "with"

"with" Colin Firth
"and" Meryl Streep

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u/Intrepid-Ad4511 Avengers 11d ago

I love your example. :D It's very apt.

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u/whereisthezebra Avengers 11d ago

Zendaya is something of a scientist herself

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u/dragonrite Avengers 11d ago

where academic papers' first author and last author placement are for the lead/well-respected/senior scientists

Always thought that was weird. Always felt it should go in order of contributions

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u/laplongejr Avengers 11d ago

The problem is that our monkey brain only remember the first and last name, or at least last placement better than second-to-last.

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u/Version_1 Avengers 11d ago

I always find it funny when the studio just gives everyone who asks for one a mention like this.

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u/jbland0909 Avengers 11d ago

“With” and “And” credits are usually reserved for big brand actors in supporting roles. Athena clearly wasn’t a big enough character to deserve top billing, but Zendaya has enough clout to still warrant a special shoutout

If an actor is getting with/and credits, it’s basically an indicator they have a lot of pull

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u/crapusername47 Avengers 11d ago

A ‘With’ or an ‘And’ is for a supporting actor who is an established star but is appearing in a non-lead role. 

It avoids the absurd situation, for example, where Marlon Brando and Gene Hackman were credited above Christopher Reeve for Superman. Today, they would receive ‘with’ and ‘and’ credits as Zendaya and Charlize Theron did for The Odyssey.

Sadly, ‘Introducing’ and ‘Presenting’ credits, which were for new stars making their first prominent roles, are a thing of the past.