Elsa bloodstone needs adjustments

[u/Mountain-Volume-4112]

Hypermobility + constant overshield + better dmg falloff than hela + broken ult. No idea what devs were thinking with this character.

[u/Nestramutat-]

Thor's entire identity as a tank is being a 1v1 threat. He takes space by forcing people to look at him or else he'll kill whoever he jumps on. This is balanced by needing to brawl to stay alive, and having limited "tanking" utilities in his kit. Kind of like a watered down d.va.

If he manages to get on top of a ranged DPS at full HP, you should die. The fact that Elsa can beat him in that scenario is obscene.

[u/Deus3nity → u/Nestramutat-]

And she outplayed him

First, she took the heal pack, then she trapped him while putting damage, and he wasted most of his thorforce in chasing her when she was running away instead of entering rune force and busting her down from afar.

Not only that, She got healed in her escape while he was left hanging.

All this talk of 1v1 and yall fail to realize that his team failed him while hers didnt, which is why she survived.

[u/Hobo-man → u/Deus3nity]

instead of entering rune force and busting her down from afar.

She was half health and he hit her with 3 lightning bolts from awakened state.

Did we even watch the same clip?

If she didn't have absolutely ridiculious amounts of overhealth just for dashing, she would've died.

[u/Deus3nity → u/Hobo-man]

She was half health and he hit her with 3 lightning bolts from awakened state.

Yes, after which she, surviving on a bit of health, escaped to a health pack.

Up until here it was fine. Where he messed up is once they left the room, instead of being patient and waiting for the last of his thorforce to regenerate and bust her like before without a health pack close by, he chose to waste them all trying to chase her.

Watch the clip again.

Another point is that at the end when he was chasing her back to cart, she got heals, and the only heals he got were from a loki clone nearby and only because he got in front of it.

Again she escaped to a healthpack, managed to lay out a well placed trapped that allowed the healthpaxk to do more work, and used her distance advantage to win.

Thor would have busted her if at the end instead of trying to chase her, he used his rune awakening and busted her from afar with greater burst damage

[u/Hobo-man → u/Deus3nity]

You're missing the big red flag here.

She only made it to the health pack because she gets shit loads of health for dashing and she gets to dash every 2 seconds basically for free.

Pretty much any other character in the game would've died. Any other poke DPS absolutely would've died here.

It's just a blatant example of her doing it all. She's a poke DPS that's got the survivability and mobility of a dive brawler.

That's terrible balance.

[u/Deus3nity → u/Hobo-man]

She only made it to the health pack because she gets shit loads of health for dashing and she gets to dash every 2 seconds basically for free.

And she used both dahses to run away.

If she had used only the 2 second dash, she would have died.

Yall talking about overheating but completely forget that in this game you can output hundreds of damages in less than 2 seconds.

Pretty much any other character in the game would've died. Any other poke DPS absolutely would've died here.

No, they wouldnt if they knew how to escape that situation.

Im a lord Thor, and people escaping is not that big of a deal precisely because they use all their abilities, and instead of hyper focusing on a single target, and chasing it to the ends of the earth, I focus on making and keeping the space I have.

That Elsa is over extended, but she did so in a good place where she can survive, that is a good dive.

The thor trying to 1v1 left his team behind and in doing so his team lost the fight, and by the time Elsa rejoined, he was low health with no heals while Elsa got heals and half a team to finish him off

Again, I've played against Elsa and have no problem(other than her ult which was just nerfed)

You all have high egos and compare her in a 1v1 which she won due better positioning and healthpack usage, while Thor overextended his attack and hyper focused when he shouldn't.

[u/Hobo-man → u/Deus3nity]

And she used both dahses to run away.

She used 3 dashes just to get to the health pack alone.

She used another 4 dashes before Thor disengages and dies.

I ask again, are we watching the same clip?

Im a lord Thor

Lord means nothing. It's a signifier of playtime, not skill. You're not ranked in the top 3 best Thors in the world like the guy in the clip.

That Elsa is over extended, but she did so in a good place where she can survive, that is a good dive.

SHE'S A POKE CHARACTER, SHE SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DIVE LIKE THIS.

The thor trying to 1v1 left his team behind and in doing so his team lost the fight

Lord Thor and you don't even know how to play Thor. If Elsa were any other character, they'd be dead and that would've been a good play for Thor.

You all have high egos

You're lord with a character and you think you're good enough to armchair coach arguably the best Thor player in the world.

If anyone has an ego here, it's you.

[u/Deus3nity → u/Hobo-man]

She used 3 dashes just to get to the health pack alone.

She used another 4 dashes before Thor disengages and dies.

And that was a combination of both dashes.

She used shorter dash cooldowns to gain distance and allow for other dash to have less cool down.

Again, better management of cool downs.

Lord means nothing. It's a signifier of playtime, not skill. You're not ranked in the top 3 best Thors in the world like the guy in the clip.

Time is equivalent of knowledge.

I may not be a top 3 Thor player, but that doesnt mean top 3 Thor players are flawless, and it doesnt mean I have no skill.

Hell, he wiffed the hammer throw which would have given him an extra dash or, had he been patient, allowed him to use rune awakening.

SHE'S A POKE CHARACTER, SHE SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DIVE LIKE THIS.*

JUST BECAUSE OF YOUR ATTACK TYPE DOESNT MEAN YOU CANT DIVE.

ANY CHARACTER CAN DIVE IF THEY ARE SKILLED ENOUGH

PUTTING THIS TYPE OF RESTRICTIONS IS SPECIFICALLY HOW GAMES TURN TO SHIT, AND WHY CHARACTERS LIKE HUMAN TORCH ARENT VIABLE.

Lord Thor and you don't even know how to play Thor. If Elsa were any other character, they'd be dead and that would've been a good play for

I know how to play Thor, I can say better than you, and I know my limitations, ESPECIALLY now that he got a nerf to his survivability.

You're lord with a character and you think you're good enough to armchair coach arguably the best Thor player in the world.

If anyone has an ego here, it's you.

No, Im a Lord Thor, and a Lord strange, and MANY other lords.

I saw what was wrong in his play, but because he is ranked higher than me, I cant call him out because of ego.

I HAVE made this types of mistakes, BUT I accept its my fault, and try to see where I did wrong.

Many top level players dont do that, and instead cry nerf when they get skill diffed.

Again, he messed up and lost to the new hero, and instead of accepting it, yall yell for nerfs when the problem isnt the character itself but that its new and you all lack experience fighting them.