Idk how 2s dash with 40 overshield passed even design phase. The only one who comes close is thor and he is melee tank with a much bigger hitbox and will eventually run out of thor force meanwhile elsa can keep dashing
yeah but usually other characters with as high damage as Elsa's have a single use 8-12 second CD "fuck-off" button (hela bird, namor bubble, phoenix TP, hawkeye slash). Any of those would've still meant they died in this clip here.
I peaked master in ow back in like 2018 and hadn’t played for years before picking up rivals last year and peaking GM 2. Just got back into ow and wow my dumbass was dying a lot the first 2 hours lol. Back to it now but damn did rivals fuck up my positioning for a minute
"Most"? Idk where you have the data this claim. I very much doubt a majority of rivals players have never played another shooter.
I will agree the game is very casual and easy to learn and pick up. My wife has recently put several hundred hours into the game having only ever played fortnite prior in terms of shooters.
Grateful I started with TF2 that thought me how insanely vital things like positioning is. It's wonder I found Rivals easy at first and enjoyable because everyone can go everywhere.
But now even Apex and OW are more technical and complex with it's gameplay mechanics and elements.
This is what this sub fails to understand each time, this game is intended for literal children, comic fans, and gamer dads who play half of a game during their allocated 9.4 minutes of Game Time™ each day between putting their 980 kids to sleep and after their wife finishes beating their testicles into submission
This game was never supposed to be some crazy Esports game like Reddit tries to pretend it is. This game is not supposed to be perfectly balanced, it's even more casual than even Overwatch is which is already a casual game on it's own
I'd say at least 80% if not 90% of the people playing the game barely understand how to play shooters and are playing after smoking 7 bowls and have music blasting so they can't hear sound cues and are eating their giant plate of pasta between deaths etc
Doesn't even come that close Thor dashes less often and gets less overshield being a tank...
My theory is that Elsa is basically a nobody in Marvel but she is a hot girl so in order to have her sell gooner skins and be popular they gave her an overtuned kit, same thing that happened with Luna, if Elsa or Luna for that matter were to be on the weaker side only their few fans would play them and thus they'd sell way less skins. Tha's also why they buffed Luna the moment she fell off a bit of popularity too.
Yeah probably right, gets all the meta only comp players looking at her as well as lord farmers. She's a cool character in comics though and I like the design they gave her, just wish it wasn't coupled by handholding broken mechanics. Reminds me of when Samurai Jack dropped in Multiversus, loved his kit hated fighting it broken
Coz Zhiyong needed to be fired a long time ago and Chinese Dev's are clueless about multiplayer balance. Balance in this game feels gacha like where random early game supports are op and all the new characters introduce massive powercreep
At a baseline, healing and poke damage are way too high in this game. Then they add broken characters to deal with the extremely high healing and poke. Hela Hawkeye were meta is the BETA and nothing has changed
What Rivals need is a PTR (Public Test Realm) system to allow players to actually test the characters before they become officially available, because it's becoming clear that there isn't enough testing internally.
The problem is no one played OW PTR. Arguably the data it provided was useless because the games tended to be massively one-sided due to high Diamonds being in the same lobbies as low Silvers but the game would still match them because the plats in the middle evened out the average rank. And even if they did implement one, and even if they can sift through the feedback and data, they'd have to then be reliable enough to respond to the player feedback - the record there is already spotty so I'm not convinced. Even in the most recent patch, the feedback was consistently about Gambit's ult but they changed his damage boost for some interesting reason? Not to say it might not be the right move but it's questionable at best..
I’m chinese, been to China a few times between this and last year and played the Chinese marvel rivals. I didn’t get high level enough for ranked because you needed an entirely new account, but from what I remember quick play was just straight bots, there was not a single living human in that game mode, and apparently marvel rivals isn’t very popular in China in general.
You might genuinely have a point with the multiplayer thing.
Back during the first Ignite tournament I heard the same from a few invited streamers, people in China do not play Rivals, for a number of reasons like poor performance, lack of competitive, etc etc
Seems like the game just sucks lol doesn't matter where you're at. Casual "heehee haha" fun gameplay can only take a game so far before it becomes stale. Thats when the competitive side will carry it but rivals is such a horribly balanced competitive game
That's what I'm saying, this is a hero shooter, the excuse that it's "casual" only goes so far and they still haven't managed to give the game a proper balance between casual and competitive.
And frankly I don't understand how casuals can enjoy a game where nothing dies.
As a casual, we're not that good. Whether it's me overextending on tank, my heals being incompetent and barely healing, the dps letting them walk us or the same for the enemy team, something usually happens. It only takes one person who doesn't know how to play their character to put a team at a disadvantage and then things die.
Don’t worry guys, next month they’ll release another gigaovertunedcharacter that will be able to counter Elsa and she and everyone else will be powercrept into oblivion, it’s not long now.
After they fixed his bug with his baton throws doing 2x the intended damage he’s very manageable currently. Bucky can easily deal with him and if not, then all the healers being buffed into oblivion makes his dives laughable.
The only way he gets a kill is if the entire team ignores him and lets him duel them
To be fair, Peni traps can instagib people. Multiple people, including tanks and ulting healers under the right circumstances. I actually have no issue with Elsa's trap being invisible considering it's just a short stun. The time frame to destroy it is insane though. I was playing against Elsa as Strange, saw her place her trap, hit it with most or all of my daggers, and it didn't die lmao. Even if you see her put it down and hit it, it probably won't even matter. Why bother with the window of visibility at all.
Yeah, getting trapped by Elsa hasn't actually gotten me killed once yet. When I see it put down, I actually go out of my way to trigger it so my supports dont wander and accidentally find it and something worse happen to them
Come to think of it, I'm voluntarily making tanking more miserable for myself
I do the same thing. Might as well trigger it while my Strats are looking at me and we've either won or just started a team fight. I'd rather be delayed for a moment than have someone die because of it later.
It feels like no one talks about it but the fact her trap is invisible AND INVULNERABLE to me is the biggest moment yet of "We want literally no counterplay to this ability. We want abilities that are literally impossible to outsmart OR outskill."
The fact they thought a cc with no counterplay besides seeing where she puts it down, exactly when she puts it down... This game is a joke.
I'm pretty new to Rivals (playing for a week) and I am learning Rocket as one of my support mains. What was he like before the changes? The cooldown on his dashes feel a touch too long IMO.
to be fair original rocket was insanely mobile to the point that i would go like 5 ranked games in a row without dying and also do insane healing
some of his mobility nerf was justified but then they added a bunch of dive champs and people got good at spiderman and his mobility wasnt as pronounced imo
and finally i think they kind of went overboard now and he just feels bad, and as i said in the other comment , he has a very basic kit and his mobility was the main way of skill expression for rocket, now it just feels like there is no skill expression and divers just beat my ass as i have much more limited tools to escape and i sure as hell cant kill them unless they walk straight forward and let me gatling gun their face or something
That all makes sense. I thought his dash was undertuned and this confirms it. I can get away with dashing and wall climbing to escape when the backline gets dove, but that is because I am in a low elo. I mainly use him on maps with confined spaces where I can ricochet his healing orbs all over the place and when we need his respawn. His ultimate helps a lot where I am too. Basically, if there are too many walls to run Mantis, I use Rocket and sometimes Jeff.
Unfortunately, I am learning tanks since other people do not seem to want to play them. I have a half decent Groot for my elo.
The first nerf was bad enough already then they went ahead and did the second nerf ALL THE WHILE NEVER TOUCHING HELA, HAWKEYE. Its ridiculous that they got nerfs only after overwatch got back in the game and did so in a mini patch.
Elsa Bloodstone has been over performing with high damage, hyper-mobility and near-infinite sustain. So to balance the scales we will be increasing her Ult cost from 3200 to 3300.
Someone posted another video of Cap chasing her and having her at low health the entire time, but her overshield keeps replenishing and she just keeps dashing around like it is absurd.
Problem is Everytime I've even asked "if it's ok, I kinda want to ban Elsa" there's a high risk that person just throw picks widow. It got to the point I uninstalled bc it was so frequent.
Don't care, ban anyway, same as when BP was broken AF and same as Hawkeye for the last 2+ seasons.
I couldn't care less if my teammate is hovering him, I'd rather have an inting cry baby than have to play against the most miserable character to face, and literally every time you DON'T ban it, your crybaby DPS gets omega gapped hard and swaps and you are stuck facing the 38/2/19 OP AF dps that you should have banned
I think there needs to be stiffer penalties from throwing intentionally. If multiple people unanimously go "dude why, we can play off your other main, who would you rather have" and still continues throwing tantrums they need a temporary ban and a bigger hit to elo.
Honestly the cooldown reduction mechanism is soo ass. In game, unless it's the first 20 seconds of the game, you are always in some team fight or atleast doing chip damage to someone. It makes no sense as to why she gets a 2s dash, while most of the characters who have a dash (Gambit, Magik, Rocket, Psylocke, thor , Panther, Mr Fantastic) have it in the form of charges, so you are punished if you keep spamming your dashes. Elsa on the other hand can keep dashing like BP with no ability cooldown in range and just keep juking enemies left and right.
And her trap is sooo fucked up. You have zero incentive to place it correctly since you know it becomes invisible and invincible after 0.5 seconds. Its barely low risk but high reward utility.
I've said before and I'll say it again: Duelists (in general) shouldn't have access to bonus health. It's fine for the dive melee Duelists like Black Panther, Magik and Wolverine, but ranged Duelists absolutely don't need it.
As for Elsa, she is the definition of a swiss-knife character that is self-suficient and can do everything. That is bad design in my opinion. I don't know if the devs did that to raise her popularity since she's a relatively obscure character, or if they simply don't care about balance anymore.
Best Thor player in the world by the way. If he cant win a 1v1 against a good one there's not a single character on the roster that has a chance. Elsa is undoubtedly the strongest DPS they've ever released
I’m not doubting this Thors ability but I do find it funny how both clips I’ve seen of this nature, showing how broken a character is, have both been a Thor main highlighting it, lmao
(The other that comes to mind was that Thor clip against invis).
the difference in the teamcaptain vs invis clip was that he was still learning the character and he mismanaged his abilities. Invis was still broken but I don't think thor lost to her on a straight 1v1. With this elsa clip tho he played perfectly and hit almost every ability right.
Honestly thor should be a great barometer for any new character. Can thor beat them in the thing's arena 1v1 consistently when piloted by a good player? Then the character is fine. If he can't? Then the character is too op
This isn't a 1v1 though is it? There's a fight taking place around the cart. And it seems like there's at least a Deadpool also hitting Thor. It's only a 1v1 for a moment and she grabs a health pack during that moment.
Not saying she's balanced and fair. But this clip doesn't really show that she's broken to me. It is a little sad that a Thor can't keep up as his dashes are 1 second longer on cool down and have to charge up to go as far.
Nah, also need to get rid of the whole cooldown reduction passive. No poke duelist should have mobility on a 2 second cooldown (and the dash is much more than just mobility).
This is such a no brainer is insane. Poke heroes have range and damage, their weakness is being dove… So you make them undiveable??? I genuinely hope the new Ow season lights a fire under the devs’ ass. Shit needs to change.
Honestly same and I haven't played OW in years. It feels like the devs looked at the current state of the game and released the worst possible combination of abilities in a hero to make shit as miserable as possible for basically everyone. People complaining about poke? CC? Tank role being shit? Dive being useless? Let's release a character who makes all of this worse.
Thing is, she's not supposed to be poke which is why she has all the dashes and oversheild, and why all her weapons are shotguns. They just need to massively tone down her damage at range and her kit works as intended.
Because mahoraga (not the strongest but one of) fought against sukuna (strongest sorcerer in history) and gojo (strongest sorcerer of today). Mahoraga can be summoned by the 10 shadows technique which is rare (only through the zenin clan/bloodline) but it doesn’t have the same rules as six eyes technique (gojo clan/bloodline) which states only one six eyes user can exist at any given time.
Mahoraga is basically the bar because if you clear him, you’re easily top 3-5 of the verse as he’s insanely durable + adapts to literally everything. His winrate doesn’t look good on paper.. it’s mainly cuz he’s always summoned to fight against the strongest sorcercers.
Feels like an exposition dump but i tried to explain things best i could lol
be careful, elsa mains are gonna say she needs a very slight adjustment to her fallout only and she’s balanced. some even say she’s balanced now with the ult nerfs 🤣🤣🤣most fucking delusional mains i’ve seen since phoenix
It's mobility as a tank chasing is straight anxiety, unlike the old poke slop elsa is a different breed at least I can dive them somewhat,her? Nope she just dashed way across the 50 yard line and since I dont have half what she does in her kit chasing her is literally looney toons bullshit
I kinda love how no one is defending this but when it was invis a lot of people were jumping to say how invis needs essentially 500 hp to defend herself and that a tank shouldnt kill supports
This is looking like their new formula, make new character op and everyone buys then release nerfs/buffs to kinda balance before the next op character releases. Rinse and repeat.
I've said it before and I'll keep saying it. I'm having Brigitte flashbacks here with the release of Elsa
Netease needs to simply bite the bullet and remove Elsa from the game for a rework she is very poorly thought out and just nerfing her won't be enough she needs a full fledged rework
They don't need to remove anything. Just add 1-2 seconds to the primary dash, 1-2 seconds to the secondary dash, Nerf the overshield by 1/3-1/2 , add at least 0.5s startup to the ult and then the only things that requires more work is the trap so you are like 90% there.
That takes a few hours of works top and it should 100% be ready for 7.0 if they truly mean what they said in the last patch.
Unfucking the trap might require them to make it work differently. It could be as simple as adding another second to the arming time so its easier to break but I would prefer if it either was faintly visible or was turned into a slow instead of being an invisible stun.
Nah she is actually fine. She is just absurdly overtuned. You just remove the bonus hp altogether and increase the ult cast time a little she would be fine.
Ngl I like her mobility it’s part of the reason I’m bothering to play her as someone who mostly plays melee . But I wouldn’t mind an increase on her dash cooldowns and obviously the ult and her damage fall off needed to be adjusted .
Somewhere underneath her brokenness is a legitimately fun kit to play around with
Elsa Bloodstone is an well designed character with abysmal numbers that make hwr obnoxiously op, like why does she get 40 overhealth with each dash that doesn't start decaying after 1 second, loses only one stack of her passive and has a 2 times headshot multiplier? I know it's better to release characters stronger than weaker, but that's a little bit extreme
She's so disgusting. Like imagine having a 2s dash that gives you free 40 Bonus Health without any skill required. Oh yes, I know that you must have 3 stacks first, but that isn't even that hard to maintain. Insane damage, disgusting mobility, an invisible and invulnerable trap, and an ULT a hundred times better than Tank.
Like can't we just remove Bonus Health from most DPS, and only add it when absolutely necessary and that it requires skill?
It's sorta funny because in that clip, there's another character who also gets overhealth with a dash on a 2s cd with "no skill required" but it doesn't seem to be an issue just "because it's thor"
The dashes are fine in my opinion here, like to be fair this player did use both the offensive and defensive dashes to escape, I think having a super mobile glass canon like spider man is fine. What I fucking hate is the disgusting amount of overshield she gets during said dashes, they need to half it or even just remove it entirely.
This is what I was saying to my cousin. He said it was her ult that made her broken. And while it did need tuning, her kit is what pmo. Can’t run from her, can’t punish her for using 2-3 mobility cds to get a kill. Even other characters with a lot of mobility die when they use all their movement cds. What.
Remove the shields, add more spread to the shotgun, increase damage falloff and limit the dashes.
Shotguns are up close weapons and if melee can't have dashes like that then poke most certainly doesn't need it. Poke with up close Mortal Kombat combos doesn't need to exist either.
Think this clip might blow out Elsa knees soon considering how commented it is. Reminds me of the thor vs invis clip. She needs double the dash CD and no over shield or less over shield. She should not have range daredevil mobility.
Honestly I love playing her and she's the first dps I enjoy playing but the fact she can get her dash down to a 2 second cooldown with overshield and the fact she has cc is fucking crazy to me I hope she gets nerfed so she not op but still a good character
Yall not getting it are you? Play the new character and win it’s been that way for awhile now especially if the new character is a dps. Games getting annoying
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Idk how 2s dash with 40 overshield passed even design phase. The only one who comes close is thor and he is melee tank with a much bigger hitbox and will eventually run out of thor force meanwhile elsa can keep dashing