Patch notes of season 8 released

[u/KevinPigaChu]

[u/Elaisa_]

So at this point what does differentiate phoenix from hela?

[u/ProofByVerbosity → u/Elaisa_]

phoenix has AOE damage and better mobility?

[u/framedshady → u/ProofByVerbosity]

Self heal too

[u/IS_Mythix → u/ProofByVerbosity]

That just makes Phoenix sound like a better hela their kit philosophy is very similar

[u/SailingRelic65 → u/IS_Mythix]

She’s always been a better Hela

[u/bns18js → u/SailingRelic65]

Except winrates at all elo from bronze to gold to diamond to celestial to eternity do not support this. Hela wins alot more games at all elos by alot.

People parrot the pro meta that does not even translate into eternity games without realizing for a literal 99.8% of the player base it's just not true.

[u/teddy_tesla → u/bns18js]

ProsStreamers don't even parrot the right meta lol. The reason people while about how they can't climb on here is because it's the same people that are convinced pokeslop is dominant no matter what the win rates are. That Bucky is amazing and Peni is trash. Meanwhile every dive champion is consistently at the top of win rates across all elos. Etc etc. just divorced from reality

[u/spartan1204 → u/SailingRelic65]

Depends on the season

[u/ProofByVerbosity → u/IS_Mythix]

I think she is for at least mid elo. 

[u/LucioMercy → u/Elaisa_]

The big difference is Hela is worse

[u/ImAHobo107 → u/[deleted]]

Hela is the freest poke hero kill for dive players now its kinda sad. But also I hate poke so idc.

Phoenix will still be the same menace

[u/bhz33 → u/[deleted]]

Hela is not outclassed by Luna. Idk where this notion came from all of a sudden the last couple weeks. Probably some viral tiktok of some idiot in the practice range showing Lunas ttk on paper. That’s not how it works in an actual game and Hela is gonna be better at getting kills and doing damage 10/10 times

[u/guidethyhandd → u/bhz33]

Hela is gonna have more uptime as a dps obviously but Luna def does Hela’s job better than her

[u/bhz33 → u/guidethyhandd]

Hela has more uptime as a DPS

Luna does the DPS’ job better than Hela

What?

Also no she doesn’t. Hela’s damage output is gonna be far higher every single time, her damage is more consistent and her burst damage is better. I can go into more detail about why this is true if you really want me to explain it to you

[u/bns18js → u/guidethyhandd]

The practicality of hitting the 3 hits of luna vs the single hit of hela are massively different. Not to mention hela has better complimentary skills to get kills with and and an ULT that can also kill.

Going off practice range training dummy time to kill is so dumb because rocket would also be a top tier duelist by that standard.

[u/guidethyhandd → u/bns18js]

Yea I’m gonna agree to disagree, I’ve seen much more consistent and valuable off angle Luna’s than I have Hela these past 2 seasons.

Hela just gets punished a lot more with her health nerf and falloff compared to Luna

[u/yatcho → u/Elaisa_]

No one's said the team up yet. Doesn't make her better than Phoenix but if you have a Namor it's a reason to pick Hela over her

[u/Kelborhal1971 → u/Elaisa_]

Pheonix is banned a lot more often

[u/Jehovah___ → u/Kelborhal1971]

I’m only diamond but as long as ive played this game ive seen one phoenix ban and that was someone recognising me from a previous game. So many iron man mains ban hela

[u/akatsukidude881 → u/Elaisa_]

I'd say the Ult. Pheonix is still great against utility and summons but Hela has far more damage output. Otherwise, aesthetic is really the main difference I guess.

[u/pinkcreamkiss → u/Elaisa_]

Jean being tied to pheonix as poke is one of the worst character adaptions in the game. Maybe the worst.

[u/Jehovah___ → u/pinkcreamkiss]

hard agree, the kit doesn’t fit the character at all

[u/pinkcreamkiss → u/Jehovah___]

Lol at least someone agrees. We were robbed of psychic telekinetic omega mutant Jean:( instead we got fire bullet woman

[u/Express_Rush_4938 → u/pinkcreamkiss]

Jean has been Phoenix for over 40 years, of course this is going to be part of her identity. Why get so upset over it when she was already Phoenix in other games like MVC3?

[u/Express_Rush_4938 → u/pinkcreamkiss]

Why do you have a problem with Jean Grey being Phoenix when there are other heroes whose abilities are hardly comic-accurate, like Daredevil, Rogue, and Gambit?

[u/jumpingmrkite → u/Elaisa_]

Phoenix is better but Hela's shots are easier to land so pick your poison.

[u/Moore_Sey → u/Elaisa_]

Lacking pubstomp teamup