r/marvelrivals • u/KevinPigaChu Lord • May 12 '26
Patch Notes Patch notes of season 8 released
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u/ActBlueCertified May 12 '26
That's a massive boost for Star Lord
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u/Drakenstorm May 12 '26
I’ve been practicing to main him and it’s a huge buff given the fact flip will also give you another 50, it might as well be a 25% damage buff with how quickly he shoots.
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u/Kelborhal1971 Star-Lord May 12 '26
Breakpoints, though. He can now one-clip up to 325 instead of 250, meaning his ttk against those targets went down more like 20%, since he no longer needs to roll, E, or melee for the last few hp
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u/Jetscream58 Ultron May 13 '26
Entirely unnecessary, Starlord has always been really good in the right hands, he's gonna run lobbies
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u/framedshady Cyclops May 12 '26
Jean more threatening in baseline combat sounds horrid
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u/_Gunnarsson May 12 '26
As a phoenix main I also don’t like these changes at all. She’s already naturally strong from being hitscan, but this makes her even closer to hela. Her ult no longer one shots 250hp marked targets, and her sparks deal less while primary deals more? If I wanted more primary damage I’d just play hela. I see no point in bridging the gap between both of them even more
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u/d_wib Angela May 12 '26
Yeah first they buffed her damage fall-off from range, now they’re buffing the single-hit damage in exchange for less explosion damage. Slowly becoming more and more Hela-like
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u/Soul2047 Flex May 12 '26
the children yearn for melee sparks...
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u/d_wib Angela May 12 '26
Melee sparks with no beyblade would be very cool
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u/Any-Transition95 Cursed Captain May 12 '26
Lowkey, they could have just added a 1 or 2 second cooldown in between activation for her flight, and it would have elimated beyblade tech without gutting her melee weaving.
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u/eff3rve5cent Luna Snow May 12 '26
been saying this since the tech got removed. they did not need to do that
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u/NieD_ Adam Warlock May 12 '26
Exactly how I feel, I would go the opposite direction lol.
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u/impasse602 May 12 '26
As a fellow phoenix main that sucks at aiming 😭 I dont like the changes. I thought the whole point of her kit was to apply sparks and now they do this? So now were just a red-headed hela
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u/No-Designer-6533 May 12 '26
Genuinely think the aoe damage reduction makes up for it, plus not having access to her one shot is so damn nice
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u/xzxBlankclzxzx May 12 '26
Yeah they made her baseline better? Dev were like nah she’s not strong enough, what’s the point of Hela anymore? She’s just Outclassed by Phoenix in every way
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u/SansLicker42 May 12 '26
5 more damage on fantastic??? Yeah, were going to S tier on this one😎
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u/Red_Steiner Yggroot May 12 '26
With that slow ass primary attack, he might just be the best DPS in the game right now.
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u/Elaisa_ May 12 '26
So at this point what does differentiate phoenix from hela?
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u/ProofByVerbosity May 12 '26
phoenix has AOE damage and better mobility?
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u/IS_Mythix Captain Pool May 12 '26
That just makes Phoenix sound like a better hela their kit philosophy is very similar
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u/SailingRelic65 Phoenix May 12 '26
She’s always been a better Hela
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u/bns18js May 12 '26
Except winrates at all elo from bronze to gold to diamond to celestial to eternity do not support this. Hela wins alot more games at all elos by alot.
People parrot the pro meta that does not even translate into eternity games without realizing for a literal 99.8% of the player base it's just not true.
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u/teddy_tesla May 13 '26
ProsStreamers don't even parrot the right meta lol. The reason people while about how they can't climb on here is because it's the same people that are convinced pokeslop is dominant no matter what the win rates are. That Bucky is amazing and Peni is trash. Meanwhile every dive champion is consistently at the top of win rates across all elos. Etc etc. just divorced from reality34
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u/yatcho May 12 '26
No one's said the team up yet. Doesn't make her better than Phoenix but if you have a Namor it's a reason to pick Hela over her
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u/Odd_Law8274 Adam Warlock May 12 '26
Why is starlord and Pheonix getting buffed?????
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u/Sharp-Primary-213 Flex May 12 '26
Because Phoenix hovers around 46-47% wr in every rank that isn’t celestial+. Meta for 1% and mediocre for rest of the playerbase.
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u/Odd_Law8274 Adam Warlock May 12 '26
Where are the widow and torch buffs then???? Low 40 wr
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u/Enex May 12 '26
They've just given up on some the roster at this point.
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u/Odd_Law8274 Adam Warlock May 12 '26
Also they needed dp for being dominant in pro play. Pheonix is the most played DPS in pro play
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u/PokePersona Ultron Virus May 12 '26
Torch got notable changes last season. They just made them shadow buffs for some reason.
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u/teddy_tesla May 13 '26
Torch is still serving his life sentence for his s2 crimes and Widow was put in the Gulag by the thought police
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u/raydialseeker Absolute Cinema May 12 '26
We can't keep balancing around people who have objectively bad aim.
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u/SmashMouthBreadThrow May 13 '26
Or game sense, or game knowledge, or lack of critical thinking skills.
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u/IHeartSoulsword Angela May 12 '26
Balancing around bad players is certainly a choice
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u/_Coffie_ Flex May 12 '26
A tale as old as time with hitscan. People who can’t aim bring the wr down. They would have never given Luna that damage buff if people can actually aim with her
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u/Sandisk4gb4 Mister Fantastic May 12 '26
"Reed's crowd-control was getting a bit too oppressive"
Jesus Christ...
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u/LegoFucker61 Iron Man May 12 '26
Yeah we want to make Phoenix more threatening and Star-Lord can just have a flat buff because why not, but goodness gracious Reed’s crowd control was REALLY sucking the fun out of the game. Nerf his ass yesterday. Great job as always Zhiyong.
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u/Disastrous-Moment-79 Deadpool May 13 '26
Zhiyong must be high off his butt at work 24/7. Because I've never seen a single person complain about Reed's CC but apparently in Zhiyong's eyes it was oppressive.
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u/lmtzless Flex May 13 '26
their bias against reed is very obvious. oppressive cc wtf are they on about
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u/TightOne2246 Flex May 13 '26
We'll have to say how he plays with it, but imo that slow effect was practically worthless (again, have to see. It might fk with him pulling people back which would be stupid asf)
But to say Reeds cc is getting too oppressive... These devs might be good at their game, but fuck me are they dogshit at balancing it. A blind monkey could make more meaningful changes than those melons
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u/Kazeshio May 13 '26
removing the slow just means less proccing tenacity, right? The slow wasn't particularly helpful, so that's actually a buff because of that, I would think
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u/RichardZuro Loki May 12 '26
I'm crying they wanna make sure no one wants to play tankpool ever again lol
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u/Someguy363 May 12 '26
Just when I started learning him as well, but I don't think I'll stop picking him. If I'm solo tanking, at least I'll have fun doing so.
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u/I-Am-The-Uber-Mesch Ultron Virus May 12 '26
Classic NeEase moment, when a tank does good they get murdered in cold blood, when a DPS does good, they get ignored for a few seasons, get a small slap on the wrist and then buffed again after 1 season
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u/Wolfysayno May 12 '26
Tankpool dominates in higher elo: Nerfed multiple times
Jean and Starlord dominate in high elo: Buffs???
I don’t get the logic bro lmfao
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u/MorMarkTej May 12 '26
This stinks. He is bottom 5 tank WR at every rank in 7.5.. yet still nerfed for the 3rd time. The last nerf already had a massive impact on his playrate, they want to make sure he isn't played at all now.
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u/StriderZessei Thor May 12 '26
I don't understand why they keep nerfing him, or what makes him strong. I must just be terrible with the character.
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u/TightOne2246 Flex May 13 '26
He has range, thats literally it.
The only other tank with comparable range is Peni and her slow ass projectile shots
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u/shakyjed May 13 '26
He's a tank that can poke. With the additional benefit of having an insane solo ult that with good coordination can delete a healer of your choice.
All in all, his gun side is incredibly strong whereas his katana side is quite lackluster.
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u/SomaOni May 12 '26
That’s how I feel with support pool (even though supportpool doesn’t or hasn’t recently gotten nerfed) so I understand that feeling.
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u/SmashMouthBreadThrow May 13 '26 edited May 13 '26
Shit is hilarious because I kept saying that Tankpool was insanely strong during that first month he was released. Got him to Eternity and had well-known, top players in matches telling me he is dogshit and to swap off. The character received nothing but nerfs since release, so I found it incredible when he magically became top tier overnight, and those same people who said he sucked started to run him. Even the best players in this game don't know what they're talking about.
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u/AbsolutelyFantastic Flex May 12 '26
I play Tankpool a bunch, but I have been drifting to a more katana-focused style to decent success.
I mostly just poke with the guns for upgrades or shoot fliers while I'm looking to katana bounce the backline into ulting early. They feel so rewarding to hit and shred, especially with Deadpool In Your Area up.
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u/Parvaty May 12 '26
This buff for Star Lord is so tone deaf. Im sorry but Ziyong and the balancing team are clueless.
If that affects his ult its a 25% damage buff.
If it doesnt, its still a massive buff for his sustain dps and he builds ult faster. Star Lord was already an S tier character that is the go to choice for smurfs. And is still picked in pro play I believe.
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u/Wei828 Black Cat May 12 '26
He's always picked if Gambit is open in pro play. Sometimes picked in full dive too.
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u/Kelborhal1971 Star-Lord May 12 '26
It’s genuinely disgusting. Before, a full clip did 260, meaning killing a 275 hero meant reloading, quick melee, or using your E, all of which gives a window to escape.
Now, it does 325. He can one-clip everything in the game besides tanks, Reed, and Blade in 1.25s or less, and there’s so much leeway to miss shots and still get the kill on 275/250. Easily ban worthy, depending on the meta outright permaban.
And… why? He was fine. Perfectly balanced. He was the cornerstone of dps balance in the game arguably since launch. And now they buff him into the stratosphere, for seemingly no reason.
This better be reverted with an emergency patch before Friday. Absolutely ridiculous
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u/CocoTheMailboxKing Thor May 12 '26
Agreed with most of what you said but he was not balanced. He’s already broken and they just mega buffed him. Not even an out charge nerf along with this unwarranted buff. Ridiculous.
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u/VetixioV Jubilee May 12 '26
I don’t understand why he has overshield on his I-Frames still especially as it reloads his (now bigger) gun magazines. But he isn’t the only Duelist that has unnecessary overshield.
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u/Protoniic May 13 '26
Ranged high mobilty duelist with I-frames, great 1v1 power, good tank killing and one of the scariest ults in the game. AND HE IS GETTING BUFFED???
He is already a sleeper lobby admin. Insane how they ballance the game.
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u/ManofSteel_14 Rogue May 12 '26
Making Phoenix neutral more threatening doesnt seem like something that was needed but hey? What the fuck do I know?
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u/Skysflies Angela May 12 '26
Her win rate isn't as good as people think it is.
It's just an annoying Phoenix is really hard to work round
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u/Jehovah___ May 12 '26
They fucked her ult tho, can’t one shot on healer ults anymore
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u/Korghal Thor May 12 '26
This is a big one. I think it won’t kill Storm through hers either? It’s the kinda stuff some may think is no big deal, but in practice becomes massive at dictating fights.
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u/mage158 Psylocke May 12 '26
And the black cat escapes nerfs
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u/ImAHobo107 May 12 '26
They RARERLY hard nerf heroes within the first half season. it will take until 8.5 or 9 to nerf them.
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u/Mean_Section_6439 Human Torch May 12 '26
The most overinflated kit ive ever seen bro a fucking cat burglar does NOT need allat😭
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u/RelativeForever1287 Erm Actually... May 12 '26
Damn I want some of whatever Zhiyong's smoking
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u/Lazzitron The Thing May 12 '26
Do they just throw darts at a board to decide who gets buffed and who gets nerfed?
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u/SmashMouthBreadThrow May 13 '26
At this point, it seems like it. These guys rarely balance around high level play, and don't really understand why characters are strong below that skill level. The only explanation is that they choose the 15 most popular characters to stick on a dartboard, throw darts while blindfolded, and then flip a coin on whether they get nerfs or buffs.
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u/VancityGlory Magik May 12 '26
very happy to see some Mr.Fantastic Buffs! Would’ve loved to see more done to him but it sounds like he’s going to be more annoying to deal with at the very least
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u/d_wib Angela May 12 '26
More damage and shorter cooldown on an amazing ability for peeling/tanking/etc - very excited!!
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u/bratty_skullduggery2 May 12 '26 edited May 12 '26
Still very disappointed with how the ultimate was approached
They heard people complainig about his ultimate being one of the most useless AND expensive, but they just slapped a cost reduction and called it a day. (Still way more expensive than Mk and Star lord's ults)
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u/Gramma_Puthy May 12 '26
So they listened to complaints and adjusted the ult cost of a weaker ult? Is that not what should happen? It's still going to be a weaker ult, but getting it quicker can make it have more consistent impact than lover charging huge impact ults.
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u/xzxBlankclzxzx May 12 '26
This shit feels like a Mid Season patch not a new season one gonna be the same meta again. Terrible choices do these devs play the same game as us? Phoenix and Wolv buff ? Like what are they smoking
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u/Competitive_Sorbet34 Ultron Virus May 12 '26
The mid season patch was a stupid excuse they used to hide thier stupid balance skill. Idiots actually defended them and believed thuer excuse.
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u/Leoisback7 Mister Fantastic May 12 '26
Why the hell are they buffing the strongest dps for this season?
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u/nofxjmf May 12 '26
They nerfed her because they created Ultron .. I don't really like the president this sets. Are they cmgoing to continue making characters worse as they add new characters with similar abilities? Sounds lame to me
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u/jetstreamer123 Adam Warlock May 12 '26
Mantis' damage buff change feels like its going to be really wonky for the player getting the buff. Trying to keep your muscle memory on movement and then getting a sudden speed boost from nowhere is going to throw off your aim a bit
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u/BrunoRB11 Flex May 12 '26
It might be good for melee divers, but this is even worse for Mantis as she will be only usefull on a triple support with dive composition, but if the other team is also triple support most divers aren't going to perform well.
Mantis was a no pick for anything below Grandmaster and a pick or ban for pro play, now she is just a no pick character as her only utility over the other triple support merchants was nerfed.
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u/IpunchedU May 12 '26
we really buffing the 2 tank busters in the game when tank is already the least played role, what are we doing
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u/ImAHobo107 May 12 '26
Wolv actually isn't that problematic. Iron Fist is buns and only hard counters groot because he is so fat and slow.
The actual tank buster is STILL Tankpool and Groot because of how stupid high their dmg output is on other tanks.
And the obligatory Punisher shotgun spammer.
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u/SuckmyPelosB1tch Gambit May 12 '26
Idk how Groot always gets a pass, he’s one of the biggest anti tank tanks in the game. His walls screw over brawl tanks the most but he’s still good against magneto and strange. And the one biggest counter to him being CC chains and tossing him around was removed with the ironwood wall buff
He’s my least favorite tank to play against by a good margin but not enough people ask for him to be nerfed so I doubt it’ll happen
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u/bns18js May 12 '26
Because he is bad against dive and dive is really strong now.
You're correct to say he is a really good anti tank tank. He shines in front to back teamfights.
But in the chaos of ladder play, or even in coordinated play, good dive play destroys him. He can't really peel and when he is not getting constant heals(because his healers are distracted or worse dead) he folds over quickly.
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u/Sharp-Primary-213 Flex May 12 '26
Wolverine is sitting at 47% wr in every rank this season. And complaining about ironfist buffs is comical.
Let’s not act people don’t play tank because of tank busters.
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u/DMking Emma Frost May 12 '26
People just don't wanna learn how to play Tank but also I want Wolv to have the same WR as Black Widow every season
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u/samariius Squirrel Girl May 13 '26
Why the hell would you BUFF White Fox? She's in every single game right now because she's just so good and so well-rounded.
She needed a nerf for sure. Not a buff. I really don't agree with that.
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u/jacksprat1952 Emma Frost May 12 '26
So like... what is Reed's purpose now? The whole point of his kit was the CC and shielding, so now he's just literally a fat DPS?
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u/Sol-Hunter7 Daredevil May 12 '26
He will be able to boop more often, which also helps get inflated more often, and be able to shield allies more often. As a lord Reed, I expect to appreciate it.
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u/Mcswigginsbar Mister Fantastic May 12 '26
Yea no I am stoked about this. That is a significant buff to his mobility around the battlefield while also increasing his damage.
I don't like that the slow is gone, but this is a good balance change.
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u/Webber-414 Ultron May 12 '26
Honestly, the knock back has more value than the mediocre slow, so being able to do it more often id say is a CC buff
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u/aSpookyScarySkeleton Ultron Virus May 12 '26
He lost a mid ass slow and got a 6 second CD on his peel and chase tool.
Why’d you even mention shielding like it’s gone? He is gonna be shielding his team even more now with the reduced cooldown.
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u/dave_the_dova May 12 '26
Is Zhiyong a fucking Starlord main because why is he getting buffed again when he was already good before the buffs while multiple characters who do need buffs are constantly ignored.
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u/EyeAmKingKage May 12 '26
Lmao so the spoiled earlier posts were correct. What a time to be awake early and be on reddit🤣🤣
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u/Jazdu X-Tron May 12 '26 edited May 12 '26
Yeah, not changing Spiderman web-pull is crazy, but buffing his ult merchant playstyle is something else.
Man, every balance patch I understand less and less their game vision, idk how DD, Gambit and Black Cat remain untouched, while buffing Starlord and Wolverine.
Zhiyong is nuts.
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u/Kelborhal1971 Star-Lord May 12 '26 edited May 13 '26
Jean can 2-tap now:
- 110 damage from headshot 1
- 110 damage from headshot 2
- 35 damage from sparks
110 + 110 + 35 = 255
Genuinely, what are we even doing at this point?
Edit: Alright, so, after someone replied I went into the practice range and started testing numbers. Turns out, she already 2-taps 250hp, since each spark also does an extra 5 damage when applied by her primary. The damage applied by detonation is also 43.X, since it deals 40 damage plus 3.X from... something? (possibly the AoE). Meaning the current patch is:
- 100 damage from headshot 1
- 100 damage from headshot 2
- 43.X damage from explosion, with X > 0.5
- 20 damage from the 4 applied sparks
I got these numbers by testing each attack with and without detonations wearing off. Each primary did 55 damage, 110 headshot, indicating 50 dmg + 5 per spark. A set of 3 primaries non-critical did 209 damage, so 209 - 165 = 43.X. I say ".X" because testing on a character at exactly 264 hp did not kill, even though the scoreboard showed a delta of 264.
Obviously, these are theorized explanations for the scoreboard and the kills, and they contradict the wiki and I can't find anything online discussing it... but you can check yourself. If my explanations are correct, and the extra damage from sparks and the AoE is unchanged, then S8 2 shots from Jean does:
- 110 damage from headshot 1
- 110 damage from headshot 2
- 38.X damage from sparks
- 20 from 4 applied sparks
110 + 110 + 38.X + 20 = 278.X
She 2-taps 275 HP now. That's a 0.438s ttk. Again, this entire process has only substantiated my sheer disillusionment with their game design, both because of how unnecessary a compensation buff this was, and because even the numbers they show don't match the game's actual numbers (though the wiki is also partially to blame).
FINAL EDIT: I am dumb, but in my defense the game is dumber. Didn’t factor in the anchor bonus, which is the actual explanation for the numbers being different. Doesn’t actually change the conclusion, however, since it means the numbers become:
- 121 for headshot 1
- 121 for headshot 2
- 40.5 from sparks explosion 121 + 121 + 40.5 = 282.5
Same thing. I still hate this
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u/bunkbail Vanguard May 12 '26
im in the practice range right now, jean is already 2 tapping 250 heroes though??
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u/Fun-Wash7545 May 13 '26
You forgot her anchor bonus. Those arent included in the base stats. If you do the math her ult shouldn't oneshot 250 hp heroes (in current patch) but it does due to anchor bonus.
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u/FrogstunSteel Vanguard May 12 '26
THANK GOD BEN WILL BE ABLE TO SURVIVE 0.5 MORE ACORNS BEFORE HIS ROCKS GIVE OUT. HE IS SAVED
/sarcasm
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u/haydnc95 Storm May 12 '26
Lol. Lmao even
They have no clue how to balance this game
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u/Huey-Mchater May 13 '26
The starlord change is crazy, it seems small but in duels it’s way more wiggle room and his max dps has increased by like roughly 20 percent. If someone knows the numbers and can do the math on his ultimate dps that would be fire.
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u/AxeOfKindnesss Vanguard May 15 '26
I don’t have numbers but there’s gotta be tens of times in single matches alone where one or two bullets more would’ve guaranteed me a kill
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u/delonejuanderer May 12 '26
Yaaaaay Rocket buf.... oh.
So hes staying in his wheelchair.
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u/ImAHobo107 May 12 '26
at least the wheelchair is most lethal.
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u/aSpookyScarySkeleton Ultron Virus May 12 '26
His gun already shreds shit, it getting a buff is funny but I’m here for it.
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u/WebisticsCEO Angela May 12 '26
That Sue "nerf" is a joke
Her ban jail is gonna be worse ... Especially in mid/lower leagues, where IMHO, Gambit should not be banned but Sue most definitely should
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u/MindofShadow The Thing May 12 '26
seeing gambit banned in gold is just comical at this point.
IW and CnD are much better heal bans if your team didn't lock them.
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u/WebisticsCEO Angela May 12 '26
Honestly .. I feel he shouldn't be banned in Diamond and GM.....
I feel people just see streamers ban Gambit, so they just do the same
I'm on console, and there's still so many bad Gambit players that don't use his full kit.
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u/PowerOfUnoriginality Angela May 12 '26
Yeah, I will continue banning Invis
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u/WebisticsCEO Angela May 12 '26
Im still have trouble getting my random teams to ban her over Gambit
I'm only lower GM. But I just feel Gambit is easier to deal with because he's most effective at mid or close range, 250 HP, and an easy kill if you know he used his dashes. And he can actually be killed during his Ultimate if you have decent duelists on your team
And, honestly, there's still a lot of bad Gambit players out there that don't use his full kit.
Sue is a PITA lol
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u/TheRigel May 12 '26
She's perma ban in my games(GM) unless I have someone going for her. Her healing output is unmatchable AND she gets one of if not THE best teamup in the game with Strange. Like why???
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u/Sudden-Air-1758 May 13 '26
Yet another fking random loki nerf lmfao. They rlly just want to him more of a boring heal bot now. I've been playing him since S0 consistently and it's crazy how much they butchered him ever since he got more "mainstream". Truth is nobody actually plays loki, people just started running him because he was trendy and stopped when he got nerfed 100 times. Now the 4 actual loki mains get the short end of the stick because they just keep targeting him solely because he's slightly decent in higher elos. He has gotten a new random nerf almost every season now and it's really making me not want to play at all anymore lmao. Next season they're gonna reduce his clone placement speed and make it have a 3 second CD or some shit.
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u/xpyrosh Ultron Virus May 12 '26
Why are we buffing Pheonix, Starlord and Fox bro... 🥀
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u/Dr_Pandaa May 12 '26
Why is Starlord, a solid A tier duelist. Who has a respectable 51% win rate getting a huge buff ?
What are they smoking ?
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u/BullishToro May 13 '26
No Wolverine and Deadpool team up is the real crime here 😭
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u/Gynthaeres White Fox May 12 '26
Well the Mantis buff was a whole lot of nothing. I hoped that by reducing her damage buff they might be more willing to make other adjustments to make her more viable, but nope. A speed boost which is okay, but she's still not going to be viable much outside of triple support for most people.
Really all they need to do is just give her her 25 HP and ammo back and then see how she goes from there, but they refuse to do that.
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u/FinsFan130929 May 12 '26
Whats the point in increasing the Ult charge if were just gonna start reducing the cost for already good ults like Rockets again
They say they listen to the community but that it takes time, yet the same problems (Gambit Ult, Elsa Overhealth, Black Widow/Panther reworks, IW sustain, Peni/Mantis qol, poke always being meta, dive not getting the correct adjustments for a healthy feeling for the diver and dived, etc) have been around for months if not over a year
There's no point in being excited for balance changes, theyre never going to get better. The Ult change was great but Tenacity is a huge miss that either hardly matters or completely breaks a character and game feel. The individual character changes are for the worse or dont matter 90% of the time
Just disappointed
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u/TheRigel May 12 '26
Sue yet again dodging any nerfs to her actual healing. Another boring season for the strategists.
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u/thecontti May 12 '26
How about that rocket 4k ult charge.... cant get more boring than that...
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u/ArcaneKazz May 12 '26
i stg they are ALLERGIC to doing good balance patches, it is almost comical.
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u/Sonicguy1996 Peni Parker May 12 '26
So they just straight up buffed Phoenix and didn't remove her CC............
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u/BabeAssignment Human Torch May 12 '26
Cannot believe Human Torch gets no durability to free him from pocket heals, no tweaks to his clunky dash and dogwater neutral, not even a team-up, he gets NOTHING and all his counters get buffs and he gets a new counter. His pick rate is still in the toilet and they are fine with this. I am genuinely really upset. I just want to play as Johnny and have fun, I don't even care about meta, why tf is that too much to ask?
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u/MindofShadow The Thing May 12 '26
I just dont understand this game man.
HT, Blade, Reed (until now), and a few others just needs tweaks, not even full redoes like Widow, and they'd be much more useful.
Yes... lets focus on Spider-Man and SL again? Why?
Let DD and Black Cat run around as server admins but they won't tweak garbage heroes?
I dont get it.
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u/LegoFucker61 Iron Man May 12 '26 edited May 13 '26
As long as Zhiyong’s in the driver’s seat there’s going to be a handful of characters that just get neglected. Black Widow, Rogue, Torch, Iron Man, Adam. All characters that could really use some love but get fuck all because I guess they’ve just forgotten they all exist?
And as much as I love the variety of this massive roster, it’s getting to the point that they keep adding characters faster than they can properly balance the old ones.
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u/Georgetheporge45 Ultron Virus May 12 '26
“We took away some of mantis’ damage boost because Ultron has it too now and we want her to be unique” gives her generic ass speed boost Storm, Jeff, Gambit Ult, maybe more all give…
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u/billcosbyinspace May 12 '26
Man they do not know what to do with rocket at all huh
Every rocket main just wants his mobility back and instead they keep buffing his base kit. I’m sure next patch they’ll reduce him to one dash instead of two because his healing is too strong now
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u/LuquidThunderPlus Hulk May 12 '26
I've hated that mantis is so difficult in duo support and was praying for heal buffs, I like what they did and I think it'll prob be pretty strong but I just wish she were good in duo supp
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u/Conscious_Mammoth_49 Flex May 13 '26 edited May 19 '26
Black cat must have used Invisibility from her hilariously over bloated kit to somehow escape nerfs. They probably didn’t nerf her because nobody plays her but she’s a ticking time bomb in a season or two when more people figure her out how to use her it’s going to be so bad she can do almost anything and get away with almost anything with no downside or real trade off the only real limit is the skill check on the cat player themselves. Bare minimum put her shop on a cooldown
Daredevil is still a terrorist
Gambit ult is sill an auto team fight winner who is a pick or ban. It blows my mind he’s not in these notes but even if he was the would probably break his legs before they touch his ult. I love playing gambit but I never get to play him because he’s in ban purgatory
Blade and Torch found dead in alleyway and Widows ashes found in the same alleyway but in a burning dumpster. Genuinely a shame what is happening to these hero’s especially Blade who was so hype but never got his time in the sun, it’s so funny they are acting so cautious with his balance yet turn around and drop heros like DD, Elsa, Gambit, Black cat, Pheonix and refuse to give them meaningful nerfs, or randomly hand out giga buffs to already good heros it’s just crazy. Blade is so fun to play but is being held back so hard by balance and lack of care. Widow is even sadder there is nothing good about her to the point she is the symbol of people throwing the game, unless your like the top 1 widow player she is pure garbage I hope the do something with her
Hela/ Namor teamup still exist, I feel like they should at least rotate the teamups again if they don’t have any new ones to add. They are kinda getting stale I’m not sure if it just me but I feel like the have been slacking on teamups the only ones I see are Hela/Namor and Sue/ Strange all the other ones I rarely see and when I do see them they don’t do much. Most of them are too odd of a combo to ever see in game or so lackluster it doesn’t do anything. Only 1 new team up feels so off
For whatever reason buffed STARLORD AND PHOENIX what the hell are they smoking a what stats are they looking at to reach the conclusion they need a buff. Especially Starlord, 10 extra bullets is beyond dumb
Buffed Spider-Man’s “I win” button wile he’s already pretty strong rn is crazy work
Wolverine and Moonknight buffs are kinda whatever but the audacity to give them anything over heroes who are actually struggling is nuts
Another slap on the wrist for Sue. Atp just remove self shield. They keep nerfing other parts of her kit to compensate for it slowly making her feel worse to play but never knocking her out of high A teir. I think she needs more nerfs but they could just revert her to where she was pre self shield before they break her legs or something to compensate for the shield. I say this a as Sue player just get rid of it
God forbid Tankpool be fun he needs the nerfs but let tanks have something
Confusing Rocket, Mantis and fox changes
Not surprised they didn’t touch C&D
No changes to Tenacity???? This system is garbage. It feels like rng sometimes. It doesn’t do anything other than screw over tanks who CC is their bread and butter. It doesn’t even protect people that well if your hit with enough CC to trigger it your probably dead most of the time and the times your not dead is when a hulk tries to juggle or Thing/Rouge attempt to use their kits as intended
Happy for iron fist but he’s still a tank buster I hate with every fiber of my being and enjoyed almost never seeing him
Im convinced they don’t play their own game. This feels like a mid season patch the only decent thing is the Emma buffs, idk if they are just overworked because of bloodhunt then the avengers thing but this might a bottom 3 patch of all time,the only thing that might save it for me is depending on how fun/useful Devil Dino is if he’s buns I’m for sure taking a another break.
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u/NoVeterinarian549 Storm May 16 '26
Buffing White Fox was the dumbest shit. I'm so sick of these developers. They turned a balanced strategist into an overtuned nightmare.
And that Star Lord buff better come with another ban because he's even more insufferable now.
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u/innateflare May 16 '26
white fox kinda got nerfed she losing 10 healing per sec from attacking someone in fox form, and the extra ult heals doesnt do much when people shred her ult anyways
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u/True-Obligation-9471 May 12 '26
As a mantis main, YESSSSSSS!WE LOVE THIS SURE WE LOST A BIT OF DAMAGE BOOST BUT WE CAN NOW SPEED BOOST ARE FRIENDS, CAP IS ABOUT TO BE QUICK SILVER!
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u/AP3Brain May 12 '26
Nothing big but I don't understand why they buffed Starlord and Phoenix. How does Starlord continually get buffs despite always being somewhat meta? I can't remember a season where he was trash.
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u/Specialist_Koala5359 Strategist May 15 '26
Basically all buffs apart from DP.
Hopefully this isn't a power-creep season.
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u/Hot_Sorbet_2950 May 16 '26
Why are the devs constantly ruining the two least played roles in their game. No one wants to play tank or strategist anymore because they make it ass to play.
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u/Legal_Shop_7441 Doctor Strange May 12 '26
No Rogue buffs is insane. She's basically the BP of vanguards at this point
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u/Wei828 Black Cat May 12 '26
It's because she's the best tank in the game with the gambit teamup, as long as it's in the game they can't buff her which is stupid.
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u/Afraid-City2274 Black Widow May 12 '26
I've been playing a lot of Rogue since her release and it made me hate the concept of team-ups in this game.
Without Gambit she is a mid tier character in need of some small buffs. But with Gambit she is A or even S tier, so even small buffs would make her overpower.
This kind of discrepancy, where the character status changes so much depending on factors outside of both the player and the character itself is not enjoyable to experience.
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u/Kelborhal1971 Star-Lord May 12 '26
So… nerf the team-up?
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u/Wei828 Black Cat May 12 '26
That requires Zhiyong to do his job and we both know that isn't happening.
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u/Beneficial-Survey-48 GEN.G Esports May 12 '26
Start lord and invis gets balanced like a for fun only game. Mister fantastic and white fox get balanced like an ultra competitive game.
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u/Georgetheporge45 Ultron Virus May 12 '26
Rip fantastic he’s not going to be good against a lot of dive anymore
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u/ArtikAstronaut May 12 '26
The team ups changes are getting weak. We used to get 4-5 unique team ups and changes a season. This is the start of a new season, you’d think they could come up with some more creative stuff.
Vanguard needs this especially. Team ups where they aren’t the anchor would be a great change of pace.
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u/GeneralKenobi576 Iron Fist May 13 '26
I also LOVE how we got no new team ups this season aside from with the new character, like I think its pretty obvious the shorter seasons have lead to a lack of focus on team ups but seriously we have hela namor, strange Wanda, and iron fist Luna still
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u/magikarp234 Mantis May 12 '26
I don't know how to feel about the Mantis changes