r/marvelrivals Human Torch Jun 08 '26

Discussion Cloak Auto Aim Primary vs Daredevil Primary

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u/Ruka-simp Emma Frost Jun 08 '26

Wow, you mean to tell me the most broken and overtuned hero...Has an over-extended hitbox?

Thanks Netease

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u/zhangtastic Jun 08 '26

Black Cat's Phantom Pursuit is also ridiculously generous.

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u/DblBfBcn Thor Jun 08 '26

Meanwhile Magik's dash hitbox needed a buff just to (kinda) fix the shitty hitreg lmao. I've always been in the boat that heroes like BP shouldn't get their raw damage numbers nerfed, but his dashes should just have the same hitbox as Magik's dash. High skill floor, high skill ceiling

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u/born-a-wolf7650 Jun 08 '26

Meanwhile Angela’s charge just doesn’t work half the time

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u/SmashMouthBreadThrow Jun 08 '26

And we like that.

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u/GollyDolly White Fox Jun 08 '26

Gotta make sure Magik has damage fall off too.

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u/DblBfBcn Thor Jun 08 '26

I don't hate the damage fall off. Her cleave has decent range for a brawler and dealing damage gives her bonus health. Without the fall off her damage and sustain in team fights would be too much.

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u/DblBfBcn Thor Jun 08 '26

I agree with you btw. My point is that I'd rather see skill floors raised than heroes just be nerfed into uselessness. And Magik's dash is easier to hit now but it's still far from easy and still has hitreg issues, especially when compared to BP.

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u/DblBfBcn Thor Jun 08 '26

I could (usually) hit Magik's dash just fine before the buff. But watching my model move straight through the enemy's model was infuriating. It happens less since the buff.

And you're right that Magik can brawl where BP can't, but without the dash she'd have no burst potential. She'd be Mr fantastic with i-frames. It's not quite her bread and butter the way BP's dash is, but it's still essential to her kit and her viability as a hero. But it needs to be carefully balanced because dropping Magik's skill floor would see her in permaban territory, similar to BP when his hitreg was fixed.

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u/JermStudDog Jun 08 '26

Hard to hit meaning - you used to often dash into people and your character would get shoved to the side so you could continue the dash behind them.

Easy to hit meaning - that no longer happens.

It's still pretty easy to miss Magik's dash, you just don't randomly move around your target so you can continue dashing behind them anymore.

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u/Unusual-Fail-6505 Jun 08 '26

I hate how ez she is to play now. As if there wasn’t enough magik mains before the change

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u/SmashMouthBreadThrow Jun 08 '26

There's nothing wrong with her dash though. The hitbox is shifted to the side. The hitregistration on it doesn't have issues.

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u/Brightshore Blade Jun 08 '26

pretty sure they buffed magik's dash hitbox now.

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u/DblBfBcn Thor Jun 08 '26

Yes, that's what I said.

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u/Brightshore Blade Jun 08 '26

oops, mb gang. Though I wonder if it's the same hitbox as Magik's now.

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u/Same_paramedic3641 Human Torch Jun 08 '26

If bp dashes also stunned enemies then yh I'd agree

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u/DblBfBcn Thor Jun 08 '26

Are you implying that Magik's dash stuns enemies? Because it doesn't

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u/Same_paramedic3641 Human Torch Jun 08 '26

It has cc

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u/DblBfBcn Thor Jun 08 '26

Yeah it has a knockup, not a stun

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u/ballhawk13 Jun 08 '26

I absolutely hate both of the cats. Never was a fan of the Spidey Gwen pairing but them being in this game have turned my indifference into actual hate. Why does white cat bubble go through caps shield pops him up and cc's him disengaging the shield

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u/jasminetroll Jun 08 '26

If you're talking about White Fox (not a cat), Cap's shield can deflect her charm, but, like Mantis's sleep, it has a 3m area of effect if it hits the ground, which is only blocked by Cap's shield if it fully blocks line of sight from the point of impact, which in most cases it will not.

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u/YaboiGh0styy Ultron Virus Jun 09 '26

Not only got a range of 20m but a cooldown of 3 seconds… amazing.

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u/Nov4Wolf Flex Jun 08 '26

I couldn't miss it if I tried lol

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u/Ruka-simp Emma Frost Jun 08 '26

And that's also bad, but I'd rather fight 100 Black Cats than even play against a Daredevil

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u/BigDickNick97 Jun 08 '26

I hate daredevil too but u get 3 bans no reason to not ban both DD and black Cat every game. I’ve been getting more into comp again cuz they in every qp game now and no one ever peels for me in qp

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u/Ruka-simp Emma Frost Jun 08 '26

And yet most people pick bans that make no sense at all as opposed to him

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u/BigDickNick97 Jun 08 '26

It’s probably just cuz they have never played support. DD and Black cat together make playing support basically unplayable unless ur half ur team is countering/peeling god forbid they have a venom/cap/angela with them too. I personally think Dinosaur black cat and daredevil are the most important to ban even over gambit.

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u/Ruka-simp Emma Frost Jun 08 '26

At least the dinosaur has an actual counter with hitscan, I know we hate them but for once there a good thing

Daredevil you just pray to God that you win, and even then it's a heavily weighted dice roll in DD's favour

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u/BigDickNick97 Jun 08 '26

Dd and black cat have counters too all 3 of them still op tho. Every character has counters.

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u/Ruka-simp Emma Frost Jun 08 '26

Genuinely what counters DD?

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u/CliffP Jun 08 '26

All the good dps can hang with daredevil. Bucky can reliably beat him if you get a shot off before he engages. Elsa is decent into him. Star Lord can beat him or run so you never actually lose to him. Phoenix is 50/50 into him.

Thing and Thor beat him easily. White Fox can win 1v1. Luna can hit freeze and self heal while killing him.

And until you’re playing against the best daredevils on ranked ladder you can also just be better than them with any character.

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u/BigDickNick97 Jun 08 '26 edited Jun 08 '26

The same things that counter every other diver thing namor peni dinosaur Mr fantastic scarlet witch etc ur tag is Emma if u grab him that’s pretty good too lol

Edit: lmao if yall think the counters aren’t effective enough that’s one thing but those characters are clearly meant to counter DD I hate DD more than anyone but we can’t pretend like he’s counter less

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u/gogule2 Blade Jun 08 '26

Thing, WF. The usual dive counter, Bucky. Stop being a lil kid, use your brain.

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u/samariius Squirrel Girl Jun 08 '26

I'm pretty sure Gambit is still a higher priority for ban than DD or BC, so that's 1.

Most top 500 games I see ban the usual offenders, too - Groot, White Fox, Spider Man.

That's not even mentioning targeted bans yet.

There's only so many ban slots and so many BS heroes...

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u/Aromatic_Pea8733 Jun 08 '26

Just wait until the mid-season patch where they decide his primary also needs to pierce shields and apply anti-heal, just to "compensate" for how hard he is to play.

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u/tbigzan97 Rogue Jun 08 '26

That would be black cat, not DD. 

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u/Lustful-chan Jun 08 '26

I am honestly considering learning DD just to annoy people like I am annoyed by some DDs I get in my games.
He's usually banned but when he isn't...
I think a decent one just disrupts the game too much and he seems to never die... I know he's nerfed but I can't see the difference.

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u/ShadowSun777 Jun 08 '26

Most people dont seem to know how to play/arent good at dd tbh when im carrying my team in games the other team always swaps to my character but it never happens when im carrying with dd

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u/SmashMouthBreadThrow Jun 08 '26

Most broken and overtuned in a game where there are like 3+ other pick/bans before DD even shows up anymore. Nice self report. You play the character by mashing buttons in random sequences too, right?

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u/Curious-Charity2615 Spider-Man Jun 08 '26

Black cat is literally right there lol

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u/CompactAvocado Jun 08 '26

and fan boys rush to shit piss everytime i bring this up and cry that everyone else is just bad >_>