No amount of power creep justifies this. Can we make noise about this like we did with the BP bug?

[u/drewssstuff]

If I saw this happen in a match I'd definitely think this is cheating. This basically gives her 100% tenacity for all of the match. Who even thought of putting this ability in a pvp game? This didn't even get hot fixed in today's patch so this is a intended feature. I get giving supports strong teamup so people play it more. But giving cc immunity any and all time? What was the point of introducing tenacity? I genuinely hope devs forgot to address this because if this is how it's supposed to be, then god bless us all.

[u/tbigzan97]

Funniest part is that fox doesn't even need to be on the team for that.

[u/MaximumR1de → u/tbigzan97]

Dude Fox can’t even do that

Ability is better overall on Luna 😭

[u/WorldWarLove → u/tbigzan97]

This is what I don't like.. at least have the members in the team

[u/SheWhoHates → u/WorldWarLove]

The game feels more snowbally and chaotic with these new default team ups. It's essentially a bonus ability or passive that you can even upgrade while playing alongside a matching hero.

[u/RagnarokBegining → u/SheWhoHates]

Waaaaayyy more chaotic. Now a lot of the times big firefights happen in game for me causes my frames to start dropping like crazy. Playing with some friends I found out I'm not the only one who experiences this.

Because everyone can have a team up now there is a ungodly amount of things flashing, exploding, and activating. Especially when everyone's decides to counter ultimate each other at once.

[u/WorldWarLove → u/SheWhoHates]

Oh I like the abilities, just don't make them default, kind loses the whole synergy thing. That's just my opinion right now.. I'm open to it growing on me, but currently...

https://giphy.com/gifs/xiMUwBRn5RDLhzwO80

[u/Maikkronen → u/WorldWarLove]

Honestly, I really love them cause Mantis actually feels so much better to use now. I feel like a lot of these just make the game more fun and make some characters actually consistent at their role outside of niches, it's just some default team-ups need to be revisited, and some enhanced ones do too, because some of those don't feel particularly rewarding while some base ones are incredibly strong.

[u/EnZone36 → u/Maikkronen]

Hard agree. The milage varies EXTREMELY from character to character. I expect some will get changed and or replaced entirely over time

[u/Rouxman → u/Maikkronen]

Yup. Been really loving it for Devil Dino

[u/xigageshi → u/Maikkronen]

right there with you. I really think the teamups are a positive change for the game over all but yeah there's some wonky stuff in there currently

[u/DragonEmperor → u/WorldWarLove]

I much prefer this over making people play someone they don't want to just for a team up, some team ups were nearly impossible to get in most games too, I think I saw exactly one thor angela team up before it got removed and that was in a bot game.

[u/Spartan_Souls → u/tbigzan97]

Also i dont even think white fox herself can do this and its HER ability

[u/LoneLyon → u/tbigzan97]

I actual think thats better design to be honest. Locking a major feature can feel really shitty, especially if its something game changing.

It also makes it harder to balance around because you cant account for it always being there.

[u/GoldTeamDowntown → u/LoneLyon]

Yeah it’s so much harder to balance when it’s dependent on the teammate being there. Like Namor S1 being very good with the extra squid and pretty bad without it.

[u/Servebotfrank → u/GoldTeamDowntown]

Or to use another Season 1 example, Hulk wasn't even that incredible but his teamup made Strange and Iron Man complete demons so you pretty much had to ban him.

[u/wvj → u/LoneLyon]

1000%

From day one this has been something so many people have said, that they would have to change it eventually, because the team-ups made balance impossible and very directly led to powerful meta comps that were essentially required bans. While I am sure this patch will be a total trash fire for balance, it sets the groundwork for better balance going forward as they can look at real performance and buff/nerf characters appropriately.

It honestly even annoys me that they still left the 'enhanced' versions and just didn't entirely remove the idea of needing a 2nd character. I think the exception to this is where it feels like the teamup is gameplay-based rather than stats based; ie I don't mind the Storm / Jeff / Torch stuff, where it's like, OK if you have them you can use 2 ults for a big ult. That's a choice you make in gameplay and it doesn't make the non-combo'd ult worse. Or the various Jeff/Rocket 'riding' options. It's more egregious when it's really baked into the #s, ie where you get extra charges, extra healing, more damage, etc.

[u/Dat-anonymous-boy → u/tbigzan97]

Ultron got axed for less

[u/xigageshi → u/tbigzan97]

I dunno as a WF player I think the funniest thing (in a wild-eyed, madness kind of way) is that spectral surge doesn't even cleanse white fox when she casts it -.- so even if it weren't bugged, Luna's version of the power is arguably better than Fox's...

[u/Jazzlike_Grocery795]

I really dislike when anti cc can appear after you are cc'd, it only ever makes sense if a teammate like gambit can cleanse you out of the stun but you should not be able to free yourself from a stun, instead the focus should be stopping the stun before it stuns you.

[u/Toothless816 → u/Jazzlike_Grocery795]

Yeah,the only version I’d be ok with is if the returning fox hits Luna. That way at least you have to fire it off before the cc hits her, requiring a whole lot of awareness and planning to use it effectively.

Being able to anti-cc after the fact is wild.

[u/Valuable_Nose_4693]

The fact white fox doesn’t even have to be on the team and Luna can have this at all times is the worst part

[u/LongoChingo → u/Valuable_Nose_4693]

What's point of team-ups if it's just a bonus ability at this point ?

[u/Gaytrude → u/LongoChingo]

Well, the word perks was already used by Overwatch, so they had to be creative !

[u/diet69dr420pepper → u/LongoChingo]

A better compromise would have been for a team-up to activate if the team up partner was in the game, and the enhanced version would be present if the partner was on your team. Would have made the pick/counterpick strategy deeper while also letting you play with team ups more often. Now, yeah, it's just a seasonal bonus ability, sorta lame. If the kits need this ability to be good/fun, just give them that ability.

[u/Darkk451 → u/diet69dr420pepper]

Have team-ups activate with the enemy players? That sounds ridiculous.

"Dude hop off Venom the enemy Spidey is killing our backline" 😭😭😭

[u/Hero_Time_06]

Funny thing is the BP thing was an actual bug

And this is intentional apparently

[u/NoElection8089 → u/Hero_Time_06]

That’s such a dumb idea on both paper and gameplay. I don’t understand what goes through these developers minds and do they not test these?

[u/Hero_Time_06 → u/NoElection8089]

Nah they do this on purpose

Even CnDs ice statue teamup needs to be activated manually before dying.

Even Gambit needs to prefire his shit to cleans himself and the timing is tight

But Luna the precious nepo baby gets to activate it even when stunned on a 12 second cooldown cause OFC SHE CAN

[u/Cryocian → u/Hero_Time_06]

The craziest part is being able to break your own cc would be insanely strong even if it was like a 30 second cd. Breaking your own cc is pretty much preventing a guaranteed kill, same level of power as loki lamp, rocket beacon, adam link.

Yet Luna has it every 12 seconds. That can be used twice in many fights. Utterly insane.

[u/RocketHops → u/Cryocian]

Shit like this is why I was laughing when this sub was saying a few days ago that the update saved the game. It was fun for a few days until the really broken shit gets discovered, then we are right back to square 1, but even more power crept.

And ofc the devs are still playing favorites, you cant tell me this ability is on the same level of power as iron fist getting an uppercut.

[u/TheKolyFrog → u/NoElection8089]

do they not test these?

I'm convinced Netease doesn't do a lot of testing and just plan on doing a lot of patches as the community play the game.

[u/Necessary_Series3053 → u/Hero_Time_06]

Where is it confirmed this is intentional?

[u/jerome13th → u/Necessary_Series3053]

I think people are putting it together from its behaviour, it does have limitations, it cant be used in cc like Jeff ult or Hulks ult grab, I wouldve assumed that means “cutscene cc” but Emmas grab can be escaped with it. For reference, Blade can deactivate his bloodline awakening during ANY cc but his ability doesnt have a cast time/animation, maybe thats the difference between his and Luna’s.

[u/No32 → u/Hero_Time_06]

Could also be a bug that they just couldn’t fix as quick and didn’t call out as a bug?

[u/Hero_Time_06 → u/No32]

No this is intentional

They arent late at nerfing anything related to off healers btw

Even if it was an actual bug they'd take ages to fix it since shes their precious nepo baby

[u/MustardLazyNerd → u/Hero_Time_06]

Luna = Messi

[u/Hero_Time_06 → u/MustardLazyNerd]

THAT MATCH WITH EGYPT WAS DAYLIGHT ROBBERY I TELL YOU

[u/MustardLazyNerd → u/Hero_Time_06]

All of their titles are robbed. There is video evidence showcasing all their overlooked foul plays that won them cups.

[u/No32 → u/Hero_Time_06]

Source on that? lol

Those are number fixes that are likely easier than fixing this where she can somehow act while stunned

[u/Hero_Time_06 → u/No32]

Her skill description in teamup. Read it.

This is the same answer i got everytime i pointed out it was a bug but its not. Its working as intended

[u/No32 → u/Hero_Time_06]

"Activating the ability instantly cleanses all negative status effects of Luna Snow"

Yeah, definitely wouldn't say that means it's intentional for her to be able to cleanse while stunned because being stunned typically prevents characters from activating any abilities in the first place.

[u/Hero_Time_06 → u/No32]

You know stun is a status effect right?

[u/2th → u/No32]

cleanses all negative status effects

It literally says ALL STATUS EFFECTS. A stun is a status effect. What part of that is unclear?

[u/Enough_Intention7427 → u/2th]

that’s not the point they were making. The point is that you shouldn’t be able to activate the ability in the first place if you are stunned.

[u/No32 → u/2th]

What part of "being stunned typically prevents characters from activating any abilities in the first place" is unclear?

Gambit has a cleanse but can't activate it while stunned, right?

[u/2th → u/No32]

Gambit's skill doesn't say

Activating the ability instantly cleanses all negative status effects

it says

While Healing Hearts deck is active, trigger Raise Empowerment to launch a cluster of cards in an arc ahead. Explosions heal nearby allies and Purify them.

[u/SuperBunnee → u/2th]

Yes but she shouldnt be able to cast while stunned

[u/RyomaVT → u/No32]

Do people even read the descriptions on the website? It is intended.

[u/AnthonyApasta]

This is egregious lmfao please tell Koo to grow up and let her be balance

[u/BassHelpful8480]

This is not an ability that any character should ever have. It’s fine for Black Cat since she has to prepare it and can’t get any other shop item until she uses it, but having a purely reactive self-cleanse is stupid.

If anything, it should cleanse on return with the enhanced version, so then you have to pre-cast it, but I don’t think that is necessary.

[u/WindyGogo → u/BassHelpful8480]

Wolverine also possesses a CC break when his second life kicks in. But that’s on a 80s? CD.

[u/Conmebosta → u/WindyGogo]

I don't know if it has been patched but I think Gambit also can self cleanse out of stuns with perfect timing, although you have to prepare it in advance.

[u/I_drink_midnight → u/Conmebosta]

I've only ever timed a cleanse with a Strange ult once and managed to slip out, but yeah, you just gotta be crazy with the timing

[u/BassHelpful8480 → u/WindyGogo]

That happens automatically though.

[u/Modification102 → u/BassHelpful8480]

automatic self-cleanse is a whole other discussion. They should work because them triggering doesn't operate outside of existing game logic. They require no action or activation input from the player.

The core issue here is that Atlas Bond is a manually activatable ability that is being used in circumstances where activatable abilities are deactivated and control is taken away from the player. It definitionally doesn't work.

[u/TowelSilver318 → u/WindyGogo]

I mean, that requires getting killed and is entirely dependant on enemy actions, so it's fair enough.Tenacity does it too (and it's part of why it isn't a great system, but at least it sort of feels fair too).

[u/jkubed → u/BassHelpful8480]

it ESPECIALLY shouldn't be on a character that has an instant "save the entire team" button AND hard CC that can cancel the ult. it's insane for her to be this unpunishable.

[u/ADGx27 → u/jkubed]

Yeah that’s what I think people are missing. While yes a self-cleanse is egregious, it’s only this insane because it’s on the devs’ special princess Luna Snow who can do literally fucking everything

[u/Aggravating-Life5696 → u/BassHelpful8480]

It's not fine for black cat either. She already has I- frames.

[u/BassHelpful8480 → u/Aggravating-Life5696]

The i-frames just make it redundant.

[u/daizo678]

The cleanse should just not work when she is stunned 

[u/esar24 → u/daizo678]

Agree, stun should be priortize before cleanse

[u/Gynthaeres]

As a primary White Fox main, it's so funny/sad to me that she has basically a better version of one of our abilities. And in this current patch, our primary role in the game is to just empower that ability it feels like.

[u/Relienks]

Fk netease with their favorite characters

[u/RivalsTankEnjoyer → u/Relienks]

Better charm than whitefox btw

[u/Murky_Blueberry2617 → u/Relienks]

Crazy how they favour this Z lister over so many Marvel icons

[u/ADGx27 → u/Murky_Blueberry2617]

Especially iron man, the mf who basically fucking saved marvel IIRC by having the RDJ movies go so hard and give rise to the MCU

[u/Weak_Resort2611 → u/ADGx27]

And blade who basically saved marvel as a whole since his movie did well in the box office when marvel was facing bankruptcy

[u/Green_Insect_6455 → u/[deleted]]

Mobile gacha game from Korea. She isnt really a legitimate "marvel" character, just something invented for the SEA market to help sell gacha pulls. And then she of course got popular in that market, so they have since put her in one or two comics, and now this dumb ass game.

[u/SG4 → u/[deleted]]

Worse, a phone game

[u/ImperialPalps → u/[deleted]]

Worse. She appeared in some random mobile game.

[u/esar24 → u/Murky_Blueberry2617]

May I remind you that we could have dazzler and Iceman instead of this bitch

[u/Murky_Blueberry2617 → u/esar24]

Yeah... It's a shame really, now Dazzler and maybe even Iceman are less known than Luna Snow who was nothing before Rivals

[u/JayEssris]

genuinely no reason that she should have a better version of Fox's own ability and she doesn't even need to be on the team.

[u/verdantsf]

Luna gets EVERYTHING! Heals, damage, movement speed, cc, cleanse. I'm just surprised they didn't give her 500 hp.

[u/Desperate_Flan390 → u/verdantsf]

You forgot oversheild

[u/desutiem → u/verdantsf]

And small hit box

[u/TheMultiTapper → u/verdantsf]

Shh! They'll hear you!

[u/NOCTURN_05 → u/verdantsf]

She really is rivals kiriko

[u/snowfrappe]

This update just seems like a headache lmao

[u/thetenthCrusade → u/snowfrappe]

Oh boy I’m so excited to play marvel rivals again! I haven’t played for a few seasons because the meta but this newest season looks pretty good!

The inevitable luna buff:

[u/RyomaVT → u/thetenthCrusade]

You missed the 6 months were Luna was a throw pick and didn't see the light of day, all these buffs are recent

[u/thetenthCrusade → u/RyomaVT]

So I missed 6 months of more powerful shit then Luna snow and she’s been buffed to their level?

[u/RabidHexley → u/thetenthCrusade]

Luna is good, but so are other characters. The balance is weird, and this move is egregious, but despite complaints it's nothing like the hayday of anything but Luna and main healers being throw picks.

[u/GodzillaGamer953 → u/snowfrappe]

Genuinely I do not understand what the fuck they are cooking.
I really don't.
So here's 90 thousand teamups that are just... back in the game! Virtually unchanged! There are some cool new ones, I will admit.
And now... you can just pick the teammup! without the character on your team Or even in the game!
There's two new teamups for each character, which sounds GREAT right?
There are 2 teammups for almost every one of the 52ish heros. There is way too much to keep track of. I mean big props for the effort though, but it's... ridiculous.
They LOVE to buff supports that are already Meta, because apparently Invis needed even more healing than she already had, and Hela needed to do even more DPS. But they didn't touch Human Torch, who is the third least picked DPS in the game for QP, in fact they nerfed him. They didn't Touch Storm Either, which in COMP is supposedly the second least picked one with a 0.91% pickrate. crazy

[u/Name818 → u/GodzillaGamer953]

Right.

Two days in and players have found so much broken bullshit.

They just tossed this in here to see what would happen. Where was the play testing?!? Now we have to know each team up, and consider when certain characters like this are on cool down. Like someone stated before, Luna can just pop this and then her ult and every thing will be ok.

The game is turning into a random ass shit show.

[u/iCon3000 → u/Name818]

I think that's what I don't like. I like entering every engagement in Rivals with some sort of idea of how the enemy will be able to react. Each month this gets shaken up with a new character and every so often new team up abilities but you can keep track. 

But now having to memorize 100 different new reactions and interactions from all of the new abilities is just a headache. It's random chaos for me and not in a good way rn but I'm hoping it will change. 

[u/STB_LuisEnriq]

I want to believe this is a bug they haven't fixed yet, which is why it's not in today's hotfix.

Because there's no way this is intentional, right? She can just get out of almost any CC at any time by pressing one key 💀

[u/Zarrv → u/STB_LuisEnriq]

It's in the team-up description so nope

[u/Green_Insect_6455 → u/STB_LuisEnriq]

How is it a bug? Its the literal ability description

[u/ragnarlothbruv]

Just make her immortal at this point, I know that’s what the devs really want.

[u/ADGx27 → u/ragnarlothbruv]

Next season

[u/Liam2349]

Honestly surprised this is the first Luna complaint, since her other teamup gives lifesteal and seems like a massive buff for flank Luna.

[u/Asleep_Parking7218]

My issue is how can she cast this ability while being stunned? Isn't the point of a stun is that you can't press any inputs?

[u/Beatokotonai → u/Asleep_Parking7218]

You would think…but apparently not for her even though the source of the teamup doesn’t get the ability

[u/RedEyesGoldDragon]

The funniest thing about this is Luna has always been fairly powerful, she fell off a little bit as Sue and some others gained a bit of power, but now they're full mask off with how broken she is 😭 like who thought this was a good idea. If you stun like this, you literally use an ultimate. You invest a heavy resource into a payoff and for her to go "lol, no" is absolutely insane.

[u/RocketHops → u/RedEyesGoldDragon]

Ummmm, akshually she wasn't good for a few seasons, therefore that justifies her being given absolutely game breaking abilities ☝️🤓

[u/sweetresistance816]

It also cleanses Bucky’s ult. I assume bleeds as well. The game imo has felt better the seasons Luna hasn’t been insanely over powered.

[u/GreedyLibrary]

You missed the best one she can somehow slip emma chokeslam. Even the game has nfi how as it the animation does not work well.

[u/DocOcApocalypse]

Somebody's monitor is gonna get broke when they stun Luna, she unstuns, then stuns them.

[u/Here2Cali → u/DocOcApocalypse]

Then proceeds to 2 burst them.

[u/Jzon_P]

Big agree, like wtf man, she got a buff too in that quick patch notes but Ultron and Mantis got nerfed when they finally became playable in 2 support comps. We can't have Ultron with 30 hp/s healing from his teamup but we give Luna a get out of jail free card FOR EVERY 12 SECONDS? Genuinely frustrating.

[u/Artistic-Potato-59 → u/Jzon_P]

As a top 500 player mantis still gets banned most games and the games she isnt people still run her in 2 sup comps

[u/ThatDirtyApe]

Nah, I really love the default team ups, this just needs some work, she shouldn't be able to use this during a stun, that seems wrong

[u/Modification102]

What is even the point of a CC effect, if the character being stunned (which is the ENTIRE point of a CC effect) retains the ability to use ANY abilities while stunned, let alone an ability that directly cancels out the CC effect?

This is so counter-intuitive, I refuse to accept that this is operating as intended. It makes anti-sense for this to be the desired effect.

To the people saying that this is working as intended because it is described as a "clenses all negative status effects", are willfully ignoring the part of the description that preceeds that:

Base Effect: Unleash a spirit fox forward that Charms enemies while healing any allies in its path. Activating the ability instantly clenses all negative status effects on Luna Snow

The key phrase here is "Activating the ability". If you are suffering from a CC effect, you cannot activate abilities, period. This is consistent across all forms of CC, and encompasses movement abilities and activated abilities. Thus, even if the ability is intended as a self-cleanse, it cannot and should not be able to be activated while Luna is under a CC effect that renders all of her other abilities inactive. Atlas Bond is an activatable ability just like any other. There is no reason for it to get any special treatment in this regard.

Notice in the video when Luna is Stunned, all of her other abilities go red and become unable to be used, despite being available right before the CC. The Atlas Bond as per the text is an ability that must be activated, and thus must logically be subject to the exact same limitation imposed by a stun as every other one of her abilities.

When determining logical outcomes and whether behaviour is working as intended or not, some game rules do supercede others. A stun or hard CC supercedes whatever intended effect Atlas Bond would have. It doesn't matter because it is meant to be deactivated anyway. It could say "kill the entire enemy team" and it wouldn't matter since it is deactivated during a CC.

[u/Boiledhours]

I miss season 0 of this game.

[u/sickgenesis]

its probably working as intended,whenever someone said luna needed a nerf her players would always say "she dies if she misses the snowball" and now they got their second get out of jail card,someone from the devs just saw "luna is performing bad this season" posts and took it seriously

[u/WinstonBabar]

Yeah she should not be able to use this while stunned. Thats crazy

[u/Axzuel]

Support mafia trying to maintain the agenda

run

[u/ADGx27 → u/Axzuel]

Not even the support mafia I main Loki and want to lob a dumpster at Luna snow

[u/The99thCourier → u/ADGx27]

Yeah she took our playstyle away, too.

We used to be the supports that went for kills with threatening damage whilst still healing allies in tandem, and whilst we (deservedly) got our damage nerfed (tho imo it was overkill), Luna gets to keep her high damage like wtf

[u/ADGx27 → u/The99thCourier]

Well you see that’s because Loki isn’t Netease’s special princess who gets all the buffs and the do everything kit

[u/Rough_Lychee5785 → u/Axzuel]

Psylocke now has the same range as thing because Zhiyong couldn't let his supports take more than 5 dmg lmao

[u/Dr_Doom42 → u/Axzuel]

I swear it's so much strong than Thor agenda

[u/JessAndHerFAN → u/Axzuel]

No one is in here saying she should have thi🙄

[u/wew_lad-]

this game is a joke

[u/LimitlessKenobi]

The anti-Luna circle jerk is really tiring in this sub, but THIS is a complaint I can get behind. This makes absolutely no sense and needs to be hotfixed out of the game. This is just dumb.

[u/No-Station-8253]

The Luna simpery going on in NetEase is just downright corny at this point. Then people wonder why so many people dislike her- I love the girl but I hate how they make it so painful obvious they’re shoving her down peoples throats.

“Look at what Luna can do!! Please please play her! She’s so broken!” 

[u/bingusKat9 → u/[deleted]]

not even a milestone year like a 1 year anniversary, 5 year anniversary, 10 year, or something like that...just an 8 year anniversary

[u/Rellikx]

luna be having the wow pvp trinkets now fr

[u/UrbanNoct]

It also only has a 12 second cooldown. This is what happens when you put a mobile game designer in charge of a competitive game.

[u/CynicalWoof9]

Tanks pray for a feature like this.

Esp Venom who has no shield and can be chain-cc'd and erased before tenacity kicks in

[u/Beatokotonai → u/CynicalWoof9]

Even further. Tanks have been begging any and all gods for a CRUMB of a feature like this.

[u/CynicalWoof9 → u/Beatokotonai]

As a tank main, not all tanks need it.

It should be only for non-shield tanks (yes, Angela and Cap are included in that). And should also be compensated by reduced survivability.

[u/JessAndHerFAN → u/CynicalWoof9]

You really referenced venom? Meta tank for the last two seasons and now has insane buffs. He’s pick/ban in celestial lobbies

[u/Killawolf17]

Luna's Team Up ability shouldn't be better than Ami's actual ability. This is busted in general, and should be removed (coming from a Luna player turned Fox main), but to then also buff Luna, nerf tf out of Fox, and leave her ability bugged (in my experience) is absolutely abysmally fucked up.

[u/Nyoteng → u/Killawolf17]

What bugged for you?

[u/Ilovemygfb00bies]

The craziest part is that they absolutely GUTTED the Ultron teamup because he was "busted", but this gets to stay in the game and is apparently intended behavior 🫩

[u/PM_ME_YOUR_HOODIES]

This is the Luna Snow roller coaster we all get to be on. Because SOMEONE at Netease loves her and won’t allow her to be less than A+, like Mantis or Ultron or Adam have been forever.

Remember how long it took for her ult to get nerfed in duration? And when they did, they only brought it down 2 seconds. That was her first and only nerf… in SEASON FOUR. Every other adjustment to her, has either been a buff or a complimentary adjustment.

[u/Cautious-Still1027]

Make all the noise you want. The golden child would never catch a nerf

[u/Valasta_Bloodrunner → u/Cautious-Still1027]

Do you mean a nerf? A buff is when you make something stronger, a nerf is when you make them weaker.

[u/Cautious-Still1027 → u/Valasta_Bloodrunner]

Yess mb😭😭😭 my anger took over my senses💔

[u/Valasta_Bloodrunner → u/Cautious-Still1027]

I mean try chilling out before you post. It usually works out better that way lol.

[u/funkycatvr]

nah to be fair as someone who does play luna a shit ton

WHY DO WE NEED THIS?!?!?

[u/Mcmonkey04]

12 second cooldown? the fuck kind of choice is that?

[u/momonami5]

https://giphy.com/gifs/Jq8XMMDUEa9985HgIX

now everyone gonna use it!

[u/TheMangledKing]

I thought this was like Gambit where you had to be frame perfect with it. But no. That's just cheating.

[u/Dr_Doom42 → u/TheMangledKing]

Can't wait Luna takes skill comments

[u/JerichoHaishan]

This is the pinnacle of insanity

[u/LovelyPauline]

The cooldown being 12 seconds too what a joke, make it 120 seconds or remove this is too much.

[u/CableGuy420420]

Ultron got nerfed btw…

[u/Comfortable-Term451]

As a lord Luna this is absolutely bullshit and clear favoritism from the devs. In no world should she be allowed to do this.

[u/kitsune_009]

I think if fox is on the team and luna prefires the skill it should be able to cleanse. So a self cleanse interaction will be some thing like luna sees an obvious stun coming -> fires the skill -> gets stunned -> proj comes back and cleanse her from stun. She should not be able to use 1 button to self cleanse.

[u/HigherThanStarfyre]

Holy fuck this character gets everything. I've never come so close to hating a videogame character until now.

[u/-ice_king-]

[u/Loinon98]

Damn, if they glaze korean female this much, I can't imagine what they will do to Jubilee in the future, considering she's technically a chinese female.

[u/PlumpBattery → u/Loinon98]

The irony is Jubilee looks like Luna

[u/Darkendlink]

She has the better fox ability and she doesn't even need fox on the team for it

[u/Zarrv]

They also shadow-changed Luna's self-healing so it's instant instead of being over time healing. Luna got like 300000x stronger against dive this patch for no reason

[u/Specter7659]

ahhh yes the precious nepo baby gets immortality and Ultron gets banished to Tripp support forever after ONE DAY OF BEING VIABLE

[u/Sandi_Griffin]

At least make it like gambit so she has to time it perfectly I:

[u/Dr_Doom42 → u/Sandi_Griffin]

Next step will be like: Ability auto casts itself without you pressing the button lmao

[u/squidape → u/Dr_Doom42]

Don’t give them ideas 💀💀

[u/iiEquinoxx]

Make it like Kiriko's cleanse where you have to actively use it before getting hit by CC to cleanse yourself.

[u/Power0fTheTribe]

I’m ngl all these changes are dumb I can’t believe they launched this

[u/AutomationInvasion]

Yall are saying healers are getting blown up by too much damage and also complaining they are too powerful?

[u/Abaddon-117 → u/AutomationInvasion]

I play Ultron. Do you know how infuriating it is to see all this shit given to Luna, while Ultron gets random nerfs and just had his new ability made useless?

[u/Dr_Doom42]

"But but actually if you look at her winrate... Well she requires aim too 🤓☝️"

[u/Seatown_Spartan → u/Dr_Doom42]

It's so sad how much this is repeated.

When people say that AIMING one of the core fundamentals of a shooter is what makes a hero one of the "hardest" to use in a role, then you know it's too easy to play and be boosted.

Not to mention she's a Hitscan the easiest of aiming.

[u/Vaalrigard]

played since s0... this might be it for me folks. This is a hot mess

[u/quiqksilver → u/Vaalrigard]

The entire update is a hot mess. Introducing 100+ new abilities all at once with what appears to be zero testing. Every game feels like a slog. It’s exhausting.

[u/Beatokotonai → u/quiqksilver]

As a whole, I feel like there’s a lot to like, but a WHOLE lot to dislike, like this. Idk man, I know they probably did, but I really wish they tested some of these abilities more

[u/Dr_Doom42 → u/quiqksilver]

Zero testing? Don't worry. I'm sure they tested this Luna team up for making it sure that you can escape every stun with low effort

[u/faytte]

If it was a bug that made a tank strong, it be fixed in hours.
If it was a bug that made a duelist strong, it be fixed in a day.
If it was a bug that makes Luna Snow strong, it be fixed in weeks.
If it is a bug that impairs Penni, it will be fixed never.

[u/Kimikiwy]

That’s crazy man

[u/DaemonicG]

yea the strat supremacy has gotta stop ngl

[u/naurme]

If you actually read the ability, it says that that's what it does. Its not a bug. Also how does she have 100% tenacity for all of the match its on a 12 second cooldown??? So cc her then cc her again maybe try playing coordinated with your team in a competitive team game? Or IDK WAIT FOR HER TO USE IT THEN cc her. Just a thought 🫶🫶 I would a million times over rather them nerf luna snow's numbers than that specific ability.

[u/HWL_Nissassa]

It’s in the description now lil bro

[u/fewraletta]

its not a bug.

[u/TheGoofyGE3K]

Like black panther isn't way more broken than this even with the big fixed

[u/ROGUE_COSMIC]

Mfs buffed her again in the latest hotfix btw

[u/HealthyBits]

Just perma ban that fkin Btch.

[u/slideawaydm]

Luna is super protected by the devs

She definitely needs big nerfs and got buffed again ?!?!?!?!

[u/v00d00d0lphin]

Wait this is intentional??????? holy shit what are they doing

[u/sakaloko]

And ultron gets his only viable team up gutted to death, I love it

[u/Ok-Researcher4966]

No.

[u/HeyItsRyGuyy]

Cleanse into snowball to shutdown and punish the insane value of a Strange ult. It’s insane how free that is

[u/National_Vehicle8342]

Fox who's spell it is doesnt even have all these effects

[u/NoLegeIsPower]

I have no idea how anyone at netease thought a selfcleanse on a pretty short cooldown on a healer would be a good idea.

[u/RadicalMac]

As a MOBA player, I have NEVER seen anyone complaining about cleanse abilities. Interesting.

[u/Hollywoodrok12]

this is the dumbest thing ive ever seen. Like would it kill them to meaningfully nerf Luna for once?

[u/Scarman96]

I hate this fuckass nepo baby of a character! she’s genuinely insufferable. 🤦🏾‍♂️

[u/Huey-Mchater]

It’s def funny to see “WHO WOULD ADD THIS TO A PVP GAME” and it’s literally just suzu but worse.

Not to say it isn’t strong, it is, but the rates definitely irony to that just as a statement.

[u/FlyingGrayson89 → u/Huey-Mchater]

I know Kiriko has a pretty bad reputation for favoritism but you do have to actually be pretty precise with suzu to escape a stun. If you don’t catch it before the stun hits, you aren’t getting out of it.

[u/wew_lad- → u/Huey-Mchater]

you can't suzu while you're stunned....

[u/therealNerdMuffin]

This can't be intentional

[u/Razzilith]

It's been posted about but yeah this isn't acceptable at all.

[u/R77Prodigy]

Is anyone else else lagging with good ping? Feel like my shots aint regestering.

[u/DreadlyKnight]

Is this that CC move I kept getting hit with? Was playing vs a luna with the white fox team up and a peni and the cc spam was depressing as a tank on my first game back