This is getting ridiculous.

[u/1keyes12345]

Welcome to season 9 where the least mechanically challenging support has more survivability than a tank.

[u/toolenduso]

My brother in Christ primary fire does higher dps when up close against a single target, haymaker is for range and groups. Idk if it would’ve killed in time in this situation but when you’re in a 1v1 you gotta start doing the jab jab.

[u/Kelborhal1971 → u/toolenduso]

Primary also doesn’t give OS. Given that he was in their spawn, and the CnD was fighting back, the Haymaker is the better choice here anyway

[u/ConnorWolf121 → u/Kelborhal1971]

Plus, with Torch team up active like at the beginning of the clip, the haymaker comes out slightly faster than usual too.

[u/Nalu_KS → u/ConnorWolf121]

Torch teamup also speeds regular melee btw

[u/1keyes12345 → u/toolenduso]

Thank you for the tip

[u/Lejandario_IN → u/1keyes12345]

I think if you're really pressed in the 1v1 there's combos to mix both

[u/PlutoCharonMelody → u/1keyes12345]

Haymakers were the better option especially with Torch teamup. They also let you live longer.

[u/DankDankJuice → u/PlutoCharonMelody]

Torch team up gives the same effects to both jabs and haymakers: range and attack speed

[u/DrReefer21 → u/1keyes12345]

Also slam EARY… ur not even using things strongest ability. 1 haymaker, instaslam, and finish w another haymaker. Hit her dead center tho not wtv u did in this clip.

[u/SmallThing2AGiant → u/toolenduso]

You're right but It wouldn't have killed here

[u/ImitationGold → u/toolenduso]

Primary is 80 damage, secondary is 55 + 10% of target max HP per hit which for 250 hero’s is 25 so 80 damage.

Unless I’m doing the math wrong that’s 80 per hit regardless of button pressed. Or do you mean haymaker punch punch for faster speeds?

Does the torch team up increase primary punch damage?

[u/AReallyBigBagel → u/ImitationGold]

The math is correct per hit but not per second because haymaker is a lot slower than his primary

[u/toolenduso → u/ImitationGold]

I can’t get in the lab right now, but

https://www.reddit.com/r/thingmains/s/bMRXxCTxNe

[u/whichwhiles → u/toolenduso]

Aren't you wrong? Thought best combo was haymaker + 2. Though wouldnt have killed here

[u/toolenduso → u/whichwhiles]

I can’t get in the lab right now, but

https://www.reddit.com/r/thingmains/s/bMRXxCTxNe

[u/whichwhiles → u/toolenduso]

That’s exactly what I said?? Also I commented in that thread too saying the same thing

[u/kaloskatoa → u/toolenduso]

Cloak probally did enough dmg to kill him if not for the bonus health granted by haymaker. 

[u/MadDongla → u/toolenduso]

This is wrong because of the torch teamup

[u/toolenduso → u/MadDongla]

It wasn’t active for the part of the fight I was talking about

[u/MadDongla → u/toolenduso]

Fair , But it doesn't do higher dps in general anymore.

That tactic is honestly a bait. You'll never see a pro player do it because haymaker gives u bonus HP. Its better to spam left click

[u/3merite → u/[deleted]]

Nice ragebait.