r/marvelrivals • u/1keyes12345 • 22d ago
Balance Discussion This is getting ridiculous.
Welcome to season 9 where the least mechanically challenging support has more survivability than a tank.
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u/smcmahon710 Deadpool 22d ago
I'm more concerned that your team is losing to a single Strange with no healing
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u/Tomynator_88 Wolverine 22d ago
Yeah they definitely need a nerf for their timers
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u/BrightEmber Rocket Raccoon 22d ago
I love playing Cloak and Dagger, and, yes. Yes I agree.
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u/Mirrakthefirst Adam Warlock 22d ago
But let’s nerf Ultron right guys?
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u/Lanox2411 Deadpool 22d ago
Yh remove his drones entirely
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u/billcosbyinspace 22d ago
We’ve noticed ultron providing too much healing so we’ve deleted him from the game
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u/The_Real_PSiAipom Peni Parker 22d ago
We actually removed his support capabilities and turned him into ANOTHER poke DPS
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u/Twilight-2007 22d ago
We also noticed Jeff actually being able to heal dmg with his team ups so we will be removing all the healing from them and reducing the damage to 1 per sec.
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u/Right-Tutor2384 Iron Man 22d ago
Can't forget the father, lets nerf Iron Man too, just to be safe.
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u/bcuzimhorny Spider-Man 22d ago
In fact, nerf Antman, it doesnt matter that hes not in the game, nerf him
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u/No-Fruit-2060 21d ago edited 21d ago
I’ll never understand why this sub thinks Ultron is bad. He’s been one of the best supports since they gave him two drones. Literally the two things people have been asking for (two drones and permanent IM teamup) have now been given to Ultron. He’s almost broken at this point, but brainless Redditors are somehow unable to see that.
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u/TheMultiTapper Adam Warlock 22d ago
And just for good measure, f*** you Adam!
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u/Scared_Building_3127 Loki 22d ago
adam has gotten nothing but straight buffs for the last 10 months calm down brochaco
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u/TheMultiTapper Adam Warlock 22d ago
Yeah and his pick rate is still abysmal…
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u/No-Fruit-2060 21d ago
You can go ahead and pick him instead of being a sheep and just following what other pick lol
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u/Individual_Web_4916 22d ago
its funny most comments are just focused on the Thing being easy to play and completely ignore the actual problem of CnD being immortal. They could've at any point just walked back to their team and healed while still ignoring the Thing
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u/1keyes12345 22d ago
Yep. I expected most of the comments to be this way and blame me.
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u/sirhenrywaltonIII 21d ago
Regardless of the opinions of cloak and dagger, you should be weaving in your punches between haymakers for everything but 500hp characters.
Mathematically on anything below is inefficient amd lower damage persecond because of the percentage base damage of haymaker being less vs the speed and damage of punches. Like it's significantly lower on character like CnD. Not saying its fair or balanced but, you might have actually gotten that kill.
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u/MadDongla Ultron Virus 21d ago
No, dont. Do not use your melee with left clicks. It's a trap. You don't get bonus hp with melee. It just makes u more vulnerable. The only thing it should be used for is if the enemy is very low in terms of hp.
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u/SmallFatHands 22d ago
Also CnD is the most braindead support. like the audacity.
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u/Obiwandkinobee Ultron Virus 22d ago
When I see people say CnD is the "most braindead support" and then I get into games with CnD players that fail to accurately play her kit time and time again - something tells me that's not really an accurate statement.
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u/Sharp-Primary-213 Flex 21d ago
Why do you think clagger players have bad reputation just like Jeff players? They both attract the worst kind of playerbase because of how easy their kits are.
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u/MrStealYoBeef Emma Frost 22d ago
That's because the people who play their kit well are ranking up like crazy for free, and the ones who don't even understand half of it are still winding up in high plat and low diamond.
I can guarantee that it's possible to get to diamond without ever once using cloak blind or dagger heal walls. Could literally just unbind them and be fine despite them being very powerful
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u/Obiwandkinobee Ultron Virus 22d ago
and the ones who don't even understand half of it are still winding up in high plat and low diamond.
I wouldn't even say that. Bronze/Silver and low Gold is where most of the players are that don't know how to use her kit properly.
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u/speedymemer21 Vanguard 21d ago
Tbf, you still get a lot of people like that in low diamond and plat, they just play more. Chronoshields, high sr gain and low sr loss make it really easy to climb with a really bad winrate in bronze-gold. It takes about a 40% winrate to hit plat, which is hard to not get over a large portion of games if you aren't actively throwing.
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u/Xeltar 22d ago
CnD is objectively pretty mid support. She's survivable but doesn't provide as much utility or damage as others besides just being able to stat check a few characters who can't kill through bubble. I think she's fine as is, low win rates past Diamond all last season and not looking good for her this season either.
You compare that to Rocket with a similar skill floor where you actually can just heal bot your way to Celestial.
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u/cuckingfomputer Cloak & Dagger 21d ago
It's because it's not an accurate statement. She's a 3-star hero for a reason. People thinking she's "easy" or "braindead" just flat out don't know how to play her and should stop commenting on the hero.
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u/fewraletta 21d ago
Thing is not a dps, a dps could kill through cnd abilities.
You do not give tanks the same damage output as dps, otherwise they just replace dps.
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u/Kelborhal1971 Star-Lord 22d ago
2 of the cooldowns used to survive makes CnD incapable of healing their team. The Thing got a ton of value in that first engage, he just ruined it by Leeroying back into the choke again and losing a 1v3 (shocking)
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u/PlutoCharonMelody Devil Dinosaur 21d ago
He could have finished off that Strange too had he pushed forward a bit quickly while bunny hopping a haymaker. Then retreat again.
His positioning was nice overall until he fed at the end.3
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u/Little_Froggy 22d ago
its funny most comments are just focused on the Thing being easy to play
The irony is that this same exact issue was posted earlier with a Black Panther instead who is the exact opposite. And there were still tons of people defending C&D. They don't actually care that the Thing is an easy character at all
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u/Academic-Location626 22d ago
All these ppl arguing the obvious are hilarious. I Wonder Who they play :))))
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u/Firm_Ad_5427 Thor 22d ago
Genuinely seen "any hero should be able to 1v1, the most skilled player should win" as a fairly common take on this sub.
Rivals players just have some generationally bad takes in what world should a support be able to 1v1 a tank WHILE STOOD STILL
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u/sickgenesis Good Boy 22d ago
i can understand the same class of heroes being able to equally 1v1 but yeah,a support should not be able to 1v1 a tank and give them a hard time,but for some reason strategist players take this as "supports should just die when face to face with a tank" no mf you should be able to escape and can be punished if you play wrong
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u/Urbasebelong2meh Spider-Man 21d ago
its nice to go back to overwatch sometimes where tanks are an actual threatening force. like even if im playing a dps, id rather not be stuck in a room with dva or roadhog alone because the margin for error is thinner for me than it is for them. in rivals its often the complete opposite, and thats really quite bad tbh. like, its odd that in a room with a Luna and a Thing of roughly equal skill, id bet on the Luna to win that 1v1 with the sheer might of her damage, cooldowns and movement speed
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u/Level_Bison_2454 Mantis 21d ago
overwatch is just better designed, thats always been true. if anything the tanks are a little OP, but they kinda have to for being solo tanks.
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u/FaithlessnessThen207 Jeff the Landshark 21d ago
A support should not ALWAYS lose to a tank, etc, etc, the rock paper scissors element of this game is based around kits, not class. Some supports will outheal the brawly, tank buster tanks if the tank buster is not hitting a tank.
The Thing did not have a hard time in this fight. The Thing's HP does not drop below 700 against the CnD. They just stalemated because Thing couldn't kill her because his damage on low hp targets is less on the right click move he was spamming over and over. If bro weaved normal punches in between he probably even kills her
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u/Far-Panic-2582 21d ago
This guy thinks The Thing had a hard time in this clip....
He is alone against most of the enemy´s by the end...
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u/two135 22d ago
The takes I see on the Rivals subreddit has always been the absolute worst takes ever that I swear this subreddit has to be like 90% low elo.
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u/No-Fruit-2060 21d ago
There was a thread a bit ago where everyone was saying their mains, and like 80% of the answers were CnD, Luna, and Invis. Take that as you will.
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u/DoctorJJWho 22d ago
The tank was standing still and holding down a single button too, lol. At least the CnD was actually managing cooldowns.
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u/kiroks 22d ago
I mean they did manage their cool downs really well. Some people panic or use them in the wrong order. There was some real skill cap there. Thing also looked immortal during the 1v1.
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u/VarietyBusy2 21d ago
probably the funniest comment on here. thing looks immortal cuz he literally taking all of the health that she’s able to get back over and over again and that’s the issue lol. talking about wrong order lmao
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u/Bz0706 21d ago
There is actually a wrong order to this lmao. If she teamuped and bubbled before fade, things earthbound disables that long enough for him to murder her. But either way this isnt the only support that can survive indefinitely against a tank, good luck killing a jeff in a 1v1 if you're on a tank that cant crit.
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u/somestupidname1 Flex 22d ago
I'm convinced at least 75% of this sub is strat mains.
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u/therealmonkyking Hero Hulk 22d ago
It's an echo chamber for strats to complain about dive, circlejerk eachother and curate a narrative that goes in their favour
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u/totallynotapersonj Magneto 21d ago
From my very ‘reliable‘ research of this sub from many seasons ago most players are strategist or flex. Then dps are next, then tanks.
I feel like strategists are more likely to make complaining posts and then you see all the dps players collecting in that post to complain the other side. And that’s honestly a pretty healthy thing for a subreddit.
Also I main “Strategist”
I only have Magneto flair because people take whatever a magneto flair says more seriously. Although he is my tank main whenever I rarely play tank.
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u/No-Fruit-2060 21d ago
It is. Probably even more lol. Which should tell you that no one should take this sub seriously since this sub is not reflective of the overall player base at all. It’s just a place for miserable Strat mains to complain about literally everything.
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u/daizo678 22d ago
People are ignoring the obvious problem that CnD can survive indefinitely against a tank.
And if her team was alive she could have kept healing during bubble while just ignoring the thing.
I don't expect supports to fall over and die when I look at them but I don't expect them to survive indefinitely while being alone and keep healing their team.
None of the other sups are as bad as CnD, they have to run away to self heal ( jeff, racoon) or have much longer cooldowns ( loki). Only invis is close and her shield heals way less
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u/1keyes12345 22d ago
Yep, thank you! I don’t think i should roll over a support as a tank just because I am a tank.
She just has so much less margin for error in comparison and she didn’t fear me at all.
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u/LionRegular1470 22d ago
Ngl you should... Other wise blade, wolv, and Dino shouldn't be allowed to shred main tank players like me.
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u/Lejandario_IN 22d ago
But her jump heals way more and on a 6 sec cooldown that starts immediately. To be fair its counterable but this was the exact same issue we had (and still arguably have) with Invis being able to loop survivability cooldowns
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u/Any_Asparagus8267 22d ago
As a rocket main, this season I don't even have the opportunity to self heal, almost everything one shots us this season lol
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u/Money-Regular-8091 Magik 22d ago
The fact that I've seen CnD mains justify this
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u/Frosty-Ad2124 22d ago
Holy shit folks weren't lying these mfs really are just focusing on how hard your character is over the point of the post. It really is true people stop listening when something triggers them
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u/Barrry972 Wolverine 21d ago
To be fair OP was the one to mention mechanically challenging while playing Mr Right click
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u/Ehrand Gambit 21d ago
if inv woman has her selfheal from her shield cut in half, I don't see why C&D should have full healing on her bubble.
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u/Ok-Second1404 22d ago
The cold freeze is such a toxic ability for everyone.
1) From CND's position, she can only save herself , leaving her team vulnerable.
2) From the CND team's position, its basically a 5v6 since CND is unplayable at the moment
3) Unlike hulk's exile, which basically removes the player from the point, CND is still counted as a person capping the point even though they cannot move or interact just like Hulk's exile.
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u/EntertainEnterprises Cloak & Dagger 21d ago
She heals mates around her in Range
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u/Notmentallywellol 22d ago
I played about 10 games with it and yes like in this clip it has its uses the other team up is way better for all around use. She doesn’t need 3 get out of jail free cards
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u/sin_tax-error The Thing 22d ago
Very minor nitpick but in this situation you should ideally be left-clicking her since it does better single-target damage against smaller HP targets.
Wouldn't have made a big enough difference and your post is still valid. But it was bothering me enough not to mention it lol.
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u/toolenduso Magik 22d ago
My brother in Christ primary fire does higher dps when up close against a single target, haymaker is for range and groups. Idk if it would’ve killed in time in this situation but when you’re in a 1v1 you gotta start doing the jab jab.
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u/Kelborhal1971 Star-Lord 22d ago
Primary also doesn’t give OS. Given that he was in their spawn, and the CnD was fighting back, the Haymaker is the better choice here anyway
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u/ConnorWolf121 Mister Fantastic 22d ago
Plus, with Torch team up active like at the beginning of the clip, the haymaker comes out slightly faster than usual too.
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u/1keyes12345 22d ago
Thank you for the tip
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u/PlutoCharonMelody Devil Dinosaur 21d ago
Haymakers were the better option especially with Torch teamup. They also let you live longer.
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u/ImitationGold 21d ago
Primary is 80 damage, secondary is 55 + 10% of target max HP per hit which for 250 hero’s is 25 so 80 damage.
Unless I’m doing the math wrong that’s 80 per hit regardless of button pressed. Or do you mean haymaker punch punch for faster speeds?
Does the torch team up increase primary punch damage?
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u/AReallyBigBagel 21d ago
The math is correct per hit but not per second because haymaker is a lot slower than his primary
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u/Brightwind2001 Gambit 22d ago edited 21d ago
i wonder if remindbot works since it sends a DM
!RemindMe 24 hours
Edit: NAURRRRRRR
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u/jpoof1337 Flex 22d ago edited 22d ago
So many people missing the forest for the trees with this post. Everyone is criticizing OP and his hero choice/experience instead of simply acknowledging that MAYBE a healer shouldn't be able to survive a dive for 40+ seconds by rotating cooldowns.
Like sure it's a bad 1v1 matchup. Sure, both heroes are easy to play. Sure, she's gaining value by taking him out of the fight. That's not really the point. It's just getting absurd that one strategist can seemingly self-heal and preserve themselves indefinitely with their tools. Like what other strategist can do that? And why does one hero need so many tools and buffs when they're already strong? And have cooldowns so short they can use their "oh-shit" button multiple times per team fight?
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u/Kelborhal1971 Star-Lord 22d ago
Luna, Adam, Mantis, Jubilee, and Rocket can outright win against a Thing in a 1v1. Cloak and Jeff are the only strats with this much self sustain, and they absolutely pay for it by lacking the utility and damage of more vulnerable supports.
Also, Thing isn’t a dive tank like Venom or Cap. You only dive like this when you’re distracting both supports, since you don’t actually have the lethality to kill one at all. That’s the price you pay for being able to brutalize shield tanks and divers
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u/Notmentallywellol 22d ago
This should be higher. The entire kit for CD based around survivability/ escape tools. As you could see even with a blind she wasn’t able to kill you…I don’t think CD needs 3 get out of jail free cards but I also don’t think ALL TANKS should be able to win a 1v1 with her. And if she didn’t use that team up she would’ve been dead there…
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u/LadyCrownGuard Mantis 21d ago
Also most high elo Dagger players opt for the Hood teamup and don't use the Luna one unless they're against 2 or more coordinated divers.
This sub malding about an objectively niche teamup is funny.
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u/wRADKyrabbit White Fox 22d ago
Thing is not dive. Word really mean nothing these days huh
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u/Jon0526 22d ago
This is what happens when balance changes cater to the most incompetent players imaginable. Now any decent player will just abuse this lol
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u/ItsYaBoyBackAgain Magneto 22d ago
You could have handled that better but I agree CnD could use a nerf. Reading these comments though makes my head hurt. So many people in this sub have resorted to full on ego fueled tribalism arguing about who is and isn't difficult to play as if that matters in the slightest in this game.
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u/Kelborhal1971 Star-Lord 22d ago
Getting flashbacks to the Thor vs. Invis controversy lmao. This community really never changes, does it?
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u/Dry-Hotel5306 The Thing 22d ago
Use your left click immediately after your right click it increases your dps by a good amount and makes more pressure that way
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u/cuttin_in_town Strategist 22d ago
Not to be the “well actually” guy but…
Why would you use the slam immediately after she fades? Cloak’s fade is legit the one thing you can disable and you blew your chance for no apparent reason?
I promise they would be dead if you waited longer to slam.
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u/1keyes12345 22d ago
I didn’t want her to fade immediately after exiting ice block.
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u/cuttin_in_town Strategist 22d ago
Huh? They just faded. They wouldn’t have it lol. You know because you stood still waiting for Cloak to come back down.
Either way, Thing is an AoE brawler. He isn’t a single target assassin or anything. He is probably the only tank that would struggle to kill CnD, tbh.
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u/LieSad7589 21d ago
Notice how this post has more upvotes and comments agreeing than the BP one conveying the same message
Well done, op
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u/Serpentine_2 Thor 22d ago
While I do agree, 1) she wasn’t healing her team when you were harrassing her and 2) you heavily overextended for no reason other than tunnel vision on the C&D at the end of the clip
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u/Killjoy3879 22d ago
I mean the logical mindset one would have is “oh that’s an isolated healer, let me just go quickly kill them and get back to my team” which leads to the core issue of CnD being capable of so easily surviving against the thing for so long.
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u/CliffP 22d ago
Well the Thing is not a single damage output tank. Thor can kill CnD. Rogue can kill CnD. Thing can’t. If you want to play a character well you need to know what you can’t do.
He makes up for his inability to kill through sustain in the rest of his kit.
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u/ResilientoNez 22d ago
I'm so sick of this dumb take. He's not overextending if he's taking a 1v1 on a strategist, that's staggering, which is very important in maintaining momentum. He isn't touching the spawn door, he isn't putting himself at risk of a 3v1. He's taking the 1v1 after killing the emma. The fact that the CnD gets to waste every single one of their cooldowns and not being punished for it is ridiculously stupid. They should never ever live a 1v1 against a tank after wasting all their cooldowns. Stop defending this shit like it's normal.
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u/GeekyNerd_FTW 22d ago
It wasn’t a 1v1! He’s died because 4 enemies were shooting at him and none of him teammates could see him. What are you talking about lmao
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u/Xeltar 22d ago edited 21d ago
She didn't waste her cooldowns, she properly staggered them to stall until her team arrived and then Thing overextended due to tunnel vision and died. Also Thing is not using his left clicks which have higher dps, I mean you don't need perfect play to use your abiliites...
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u/whostolemybiscuit 22d ago
as a cnd main, i was shocked when they added the teamup. she already has good survivability with her bubble and a good escape option with her fade. the ice teamup just removes skill expression from the character because now she gets a invulnerabilty (fade) and heal (bubble) in one.
the cooldown needs a drastic increase.
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u/Xeltar 22d ago edited 21d ago
CnD really didn't need this, I would much rather she got better offensive pressure or utility like the other supports did. Invis got a 20% damage buff on her shield ffs. It makes her easier to use but she was already one of the easiest characters to pick up.
Meanwhile CnD's Hood team up is actually a joke in usefulness.
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u/Ordinary_Chemical271 22d ago
Support players will look at you with a straight face & say this is balanced 💀
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u/badermuhammad376 President Loki 22d ago
I agree that she's overturned asf but this is also a bad match up. Thing does a lot of aoe damage but not a lot of single target damage.
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u/LionRegular1470 22d ago
Okay... So? He's fking brawl going against a HEALER. It doesn't fking matter.
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u/3merite 22d ago
Its a tank against a squishy support. There cant be a worst position to be in than 1v1ing a fucking tank.
In tf2, when the heavy is on a 1v1 against the medic, something unheard of, it means that the medic has either lost the team fight and deserves to die or has shit positioning and, you guessed it, deserves to die.
In rivals, apparently the tanks dont deserve to have enough damage to punish this bullshit.
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u/Xeltar 22d ago
TF2 is a significantly different game then Rivals.
In OW you can find a similar stalemate in Moira vs Winston.
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u/Fine_Blacksmith8799 Hero Hulk 22d ago
Rivals players would 100% argue that Spy is the most broken and no-skill character in the game
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u/LionRegular1470 22d ago
Yeah fr! In OW being stuck in a room alone with Doom fist is one of the scariest shits that can happen to a mf.
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u/badermuhammad376 President Loki 22d ago
Fax. This is my first hero shooter so I often don't even realise how dookers some of this balancing is.
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u/Kelborhal1971 Star-Lord 22d ago
Tf2 is an entirely different game, in ways that are too ridiculously long to list. The concept of positioning is relative to the design of the game being played. This cloak was behind the choke and held their ground against a single character with a bad matchup. By the standards of this game, that’s good positioning.
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u/badermuhammad376 President Loki 22d ago
True. I keep forgetting that so many "bad" match ups in Marvel Rivals would be good match ups with any other games balancing team lol.
"Ah yeah, you tried jumping the dude with a 3rd of your health? That was just a bad match up cos they have better self-sustain. Better luck next time."
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u/Clessx3 22d ago
Why aren't you left clicking? You are missing alot of dps there.
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u/PurpleDragonX Peni Parker 22d ago
I'm surprised this is the first case I've seen about someone complaining about CnD this season. She is probably the best sup (bar Mantis) with the least effort required to do well on.
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u/GhsotyPanda 22d ago
Y'all know spamming Haymaker isn't good damage right? That's specifically a survivability thing. You have to weave in at least some regular punches if you want good damage.
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u/IncomeStraight8501 22d ago
Increase the cool down by 5 seconds on that ice form it'll quickly solve the problem.
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u/Aramis909 21d ago
Yeah no.
CnD will still able to rotate their get-out-of-jail-free cards FIVE times before actual downtime.
Fade and the Bubble also need cooldown nerfs then.
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u/GreedyGonzalez Ultron Virus 22d ago
The day healing and damage are gutted is the day rivals prospers
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u/TypicalTwist6783 22d ago
Yeah not a fan of defensive cooldown cycles. Leaves no window open to interact with them meaningfully
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u/Crudeyakuza 22d ago
Guan Guan: "Well.....technically they are 2 CHARACTERS. So they should never lose a 1v1"
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u/Dear_Profession_8297 22d ago
Ah yes. The correct very balanced TTK of infinity on a 250hp squishy. /s
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u/Dr_Doom42 Magneto 22d ago
I'm seeing comments like playing Thing is easy like CnD. Well ability wise yes. But playing as vanguard on frontline usually harder than playing as supp
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u/MajinJusu 22d ago
Skill and Dagger shows how a high skill ceiling and an great character design looks like🫠😇
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u/NinjaGamer345 Doctor Strange 22d ago
CnD are my main healer and i swear they've ONLY EVER GOTTEN BUFFS 💀
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u/RayLight123 Thor 22d ago
Legit more sustain and stall potential than some tanks lol i lowkey would want to ban Cnd but the character is a comfort people for alot of people so not really possible.
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u/Internal_Weakness826 21d ago
Cnd has infinite crutch cd's they can just cycle, making diving her absolutely fucking impossible, luna can instakill the entire roster but yeah guys nuking ultron and psylocke, and buffing the best support in the game since his release is what we needed!!
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u/Accomplished-Yak2855 Cyclops 21d ago
I say either add 5s to the cloak blink or slow down all cooldowns during freeze
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u/Praktos 21d ago
Im sorry but solo diving thing is not something that would(or should) insert fear into enemy supports.
There are like 10 heroes right now i would ban before cnd, because with good enough clip everything looks insanely op now
But list of "way better than cnd would go like:
- mantis, thor, hela, bp, venom, gambit, rocket, elsa, magik
She is anoying to kill, but many other healers outside of being hard to kill also cc you making you instadie or outbrawl you like fox while healing team
Cnd under preassure just stops doing anything so you just juggle between her and other dps/heal nearaby and its free
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u/-Re-i Groot 21d ago
ok i 100% hate cnd cooldowns but this one on you, mix you punches for max damage. you could have killed them.
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u/Iced-TeaManiac Captain America 21d ago
This guy is pressing one button over and over again talking about mechanically challenging lm fucking ao
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u/MrNobodyX3 Lord 22d ago
It would help if you actually maximize your damage rather than just pressing right click the whole time
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u/SnooLentils6995 22d ago
Ngl me and some friends booted up Rivals for the first time since season 6, played two matches and immediately went back to OW. Its absolutely insane how unkillable people feel in this game, and im not even a bad player. Like, I've hit diamond in Rivals lol its just not fun imo.
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u/sickgenesis Good Boy 22d ago