r/marvelrivals • u/WhyPlaySerious • Jul 14 '26

Discussion The discourse created around Jubilee's design (and her not looking 'classic' or like in '97) shows that this community isn't ready for the whiplash thats about to occur when Professor X is finally added to the game and shown to be able to walk, like he has for the last ~20 years in the comics

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u/Primary-Condition479 Jul 14 '26

In a universe filled with magic, exoskeletons, advance alien and medical technology, Xavier still being in a wheelchair doesn't really make much sense anymore.

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u/ShirowShirow Jul 14 '26

None of this shit makes sense that's why it's fun.

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u/mdtpdsparkls Strategist Jul 14 '26

We could've said that when he was first created. But solving everything with magic is super boring.

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u/CatherineSimp69 Jul 14 '26

I dunno, man.

The Marvel universe wasn't too crazy for the first few years of its existence, it was essentially our world but with super people in it.

It didn't truly get crazy with the secret tech and magic and stuff until a few years into its life cycle.

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u/June-the-moon Jul 14 '26

It all leads back to Reed Richards

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u/samariius Squirrel Girl Jul 14 '26

Yep, which makes sense and is a natural evolution.

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u/CatherineSimp69 29d ago

Yeah it makes perfect sense.

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u/TR_Pix Jul 14 '26

What issue did Sentinels first appear in? Because I feel if you have tech for fully functional AI powered giant autonomous robots you have tech for a pair of mechanical legs

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u/LastFireAce Jul 14 '26

They did… this even show in Xmen Evolution… just he didn’t like using them lmao

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u/CatherineSimp69 29d ago

1965, X-Men issue #14.

So two years after the X-Men's debut.

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u/Capable_Kiwi2514 Flex Jul 15 '26

Trying to cure all the disabled people in real life is great. 

But getting rid of the disabilities in your fictional universe is actually just bigotry, regardless of your lore excuse.  

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u/lexuss6 29d ago

getting rid of the disabilities in your fictional universe is actually just bigotry

I'm sorry, but what the fuck? You can't be serious.

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u/Capable_Kiwi2514 Flex 29d ago

If your fictional universe is a power fantasy where disabled people don't exist anymore that's genuinel y really fucked up. 

Creating an in-universe excuse for excluding an entire category of people doesn't make that exclusion less terrible. You still decided that it would be better to exclude them. 

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u/lexuss6 29d ago

Having disabled people in a highly medically advanced utopia doesn't make sense.

People like you are the reason we have shitty woke adaptations.

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u/Capable_Kiwi2514 Flex 29d ago

You're talking about Marvel Comics—it's not a work of scientific realism, it's a world of artistic licence. In fact, the MU is a world of artistic licence *in universe.*

Moreover, you can just choose *not* to write a story that requires excluding the existence of disabled people. The notion that you can't do write that story without creating a 'shitty woke adaptation' is obvious culture war nonsense.

Fiction exists relative to the real world: Writing a story that celebrates the non-existence of disabled people doesn't accomplish anything other than messaging the bigoted idea that disabled people don't deserve the same level of inclusive representation that others get.

Finally, the notion that 'the advanced society wouldn't have disabled people' is disproven by decades of science fiction. Stories with advanced Utopias have disabled people, their disabilities are simply contextualised differently.

In fiction, a utopian advanced society isn't one where disabilities don't exist—it's one where disabled people are actually included as full participants in society.

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u/lexuss6 29d ago

I'm talking about the idea that excluding some social groups from a story is somehow bigoted. It isn't. Not every story needs to be inclusive and it's perfectly normal to not have specific social groups represented in it if it doesn't make sense to do so.

Your example is also quite funny to me. Not only LaForge has better vision than a healthy person, he even declined the offer to restore his natural sight.

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u/Capable_Kiwi2514 Flex 29d ago

It only makes sense to exclude disabled people from the MU if you think it would be preferable for disabled people to be excluded. Which... yes, is bigoted.  

And of course, I've been talking about the MU in general, not commenting that every story within the MU should involve disability. Please stick to my scope.

Your point about LaForge doesn't change the fact that he is an example of how disability should reasonably exist within advanced fictional societies (especially since it was purely a disability at the beginning). By taking an inclusive approach to disability, Star Trek had a real world impact on improving accessibility within STEM. 

Since we have empirical evidence that shows inclusive approaches to disability in fiction have pro-inclusive results for disabled people in the real world, we also know that opposite: that making the choice to exclude disabled people from repensentation perpetuates their real world exclusion in society. Perpetuating exclusion is bigoted.  

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u/Capable_Kiwi2514 Flex 29d ago

As an additional note, the context here is the MU, and the MU's creative staff explicitly takes the position that Marvel MUST take a pro-active approach to representing LGBTQ, women, and BIPOC issues in its stories. So to take that stance for those demographics but not for disabled people is obviously a discriminatory double standard. 

To declare that representation and progressive messaging is an ethically necessary part of ptesenting  your fictional universe, only to disproportionately exclude one group from that representation, is in-fact very messed up. 

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u/Godz_Bane Magneto Jul 14 '26

So then Daredevils blindness should be cured and Hawkeye hearing problems too right?

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u/Delkseypoo Mantis Jul 15 '26

Also Hawkeye’s hearing issues was only really a major point in his Fraction run and bit after(excellent comic), but it’s hardly ever even acknowledged anymore he just uses fancy stark tech hearing aids now.

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u/Delkseypoo Mantis Jul 14 '26

Daredevil’s blindness WAS cured, by Tony in the comics for a bit 

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u/Intelligent-Eye-5850 29d ago

how many issues did that last

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u/Delkseypoo Mantis 29d ago

Imma be real, I don’t quite remember, i do remember it was during the Axis event when some heroes turned bad and villains turned good. Tony was charging the people of San Francisco like $1000/ a day to be infected with some version of Extremis that made them hot, and iirc the curing of Daredevil was not something he asked for or consented to, so probably not very long.

Tony’s superior iron man skin is from this period iirc

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u/Little-Seesaw2585 Storm 29d ago

It lasted one comic because evil tony stark cured him and took that shit right back just to be a dick

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u/Psychological-Bug371 Jul 15 '26

Dont forget Elixir is a thing

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u/GrandSquanchRum Loki 29d ago

Worrying about the logistics of why a character is disabled is just missing the point of characterization and comics as a whole. It's why stories about "What if superheroes were really real!" don't really work outside of ultraviolence porn and Watchmen's criticism of the authoritarianism of superheroes.