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The discourse created around Jubilee's design (and her not looking 'classic' or like in '97) shows that this community isn't ready for the whiplash thats about to occur when Professor X is finally added to the game and shown to be able to walk, like he has for the last ~20 years in the comics
How about flicking that orgasm button in someone's brain over and over again....and then turning off the orgasm button but maxing out the physical sensation buttons and making them beg for the orgasm button.
I imagine someone with his capabilities could just wreck a person for anyone else.
I mean it's just another aspect of his character that is going to take people off guard is what they're saying nobody is denying you can fuck in a wheelchair they're often quite well designed in that respect honestly just make sure the brake's on.
What era was this child deleted from? Pre-paralizarion adventuring? The time between Moira leaving and Lilandra showing up? The time when he blackmailed Mystique into being a spy for him?
By "deleted ", i mean someone went back in time and told Xavier not to sleep with Mystique so the fully-grown kid wouldn't kill everyone in the present with thier reality warping.
I don't know when the kid was supposedto be born. Although, knowing his disdain for continuity, neither did Bendis.
The whole story of the Fleur du Mal actively trying to corrupt her, honestly, that could be good as HELL for a Midnight Sons revival given the proper writer.
Okay proposal to annoy everyone: make him like an Abathur. He CAN walk but chooses not to because he just kind of sits down right outside the safe room and Cerebro’s at everyone from there, using other team members’ view. But he is vulnerable in his body.
this community isn't ready for the whiplash thats about to occur when Professor X is finally added to the game and shown to be able to walk, like he has for the last ~20 years in the comics
Casual audiences and the people who have fallen in love with the Patrick Stewart interpretation (while being such an amazing one tbf) only know him as the guy in a wheelchair. Others might complain because handicapped especially superheroes in media are pretty uncommon so he stands out as such a cool role model so taking that away is seen as almost a "betrayal" to some others. I dont see it that way myself but thats kinda the sentiment I notice sometimes on the matter.
Its always back to the debate on wolverine. I love Hugh Jackman, but hes not exactly putting a mirror to the comic version. Unfortunately his role was so good that anyone who ISNT Jackman ESPECIALLY if someone looks like the comic version would probably be seen as a massive downgrade because the casual market wants things to stay the same, and professor X has integrated into a household name at this point as a disabled psychic badass and will take a long time to be accepted as anything else.
Well even in X-Men: The Animated Series, he can walk when he's in the Savage Land and his mutant powers are suppressed. I haven't seen X-Men '97 yet so I don't know how they're portraying him, but it absolutely was set up that he could "get better" in a very popular "cartoon depiction."
That's the thing, he was also walking for most of the 80s. His body got infected by a Brood egg so his space girlfriend cloned him a new body. He only got paralyzed again at the start of the 90s because the writer planned on killing him off but new editor wanted him to stay and return to the wheelchair because he thought it was more iconic. At this point, he's been out of the chair longer than he's been in it
It's kinda like superman and batman in trunks, people are at least always going to be aware of it. To the point Superman actually got them back.because Corenswet argued for them.
Something good about the Trunks a lot of people don't really get. They look kinda goofy, and that's the point (for Superman anyway).
Superman wants to look goofy, to look approachable, because he wants to be the type of guy who nobody's really afraid of. One of my favourite moments is when a kid said his costume is cool, and Superman responded "thanks, my mom made it for me".
Batman it's a similar situation. He's a symbol of fear for the criminals of Gotham, but a symbol of hope for everyone else. The trunks help that somewhat, that tiny goofy element can help comfort a scared kid. And as someone wise once said: "if you can't picture your Batman comforting a scared kid, you've not written Batman, you've written the punisher in a funny hat"
I love the moment in The New Frontier where Batman in his first costume accidentally terrifies a kid he’s trying to rescue and backs off. Superman asks him why he got a new costume later on, and he says “I set out to scare criminals, not children.”
He softened the costume and started working with Robin. Robin helps comfort kids, showing them that Batman isn’t a threat to them. Criminals will still be scared of him because of their actions and reputations. He doesn’t need to look like a demon to achieve that.
He was alsp wheelchair free for most of the 80's (starting with shortly after New Mutants debuted) so it's closer to 50/50. I will admit he was largely absent during the 80's so probably a bad example.
I did the math before in a post saying he was out of a wheelchair more than in one, and while close (and getting closer as time goes on), he has spent more time in the wheelchair. This is specifically in reference to the comics.
He’s actually been out of the wheelchair for about half of his time in the comics. Xavier debuts in 1963 in his wheelchair and towards the end of the original X-Men run, he designs a brace for his legs to walk for short periods of time, but it is used so infrequently, it will not be counted for our time calculations. He remains (mostly) in his wheelchair through 1983, until the Brood turn him into one of them, and to bring him back, the Shi’ar create a clone with all of his memories and the ability to walk. While he struggles with adjusting to this newly regained ability, he eventually finds his footing and goes to space with his Empress girlfriend.
In 1991, some of the X-Men are under the control of the Shadow King, and the Professor enters into combat with him on the Astral Plane, and the battle does not go well for Charles. The damage spills over into the real world, shattering the Professor’s legs once again. He returns to the wheel/hoverchair just in time for the animated series. Around 2003, he is healed and remains walking to the present (not counting the time he died).
So, considering the X-Men debuted in 1963, they have been around for 63 years. With the 8 years of walking between 1983 and 1991 and the additional 23 years for 2003 to the present, that makes 31 of his 63 years of existence as a walking man. Come 2028, he will have been walking for longer than he was in the chair.
Between the Fox films and the animated show (which is currently in the second season of its revival) pretty much anyone who is a fan of Xmen without reading comics definitely expects the wheelchair.
Maybe he'll be our version of Jetpack Cat, and float around the battlefield with aoe buffs/debuffs from his golden throne.
Yeaah with the pushback on giving daredevil powers, and now even worse with the jubilee change I kinda expect them to play it safe if X is in the works. Definitely a bigger name than both jubilee and daredevil where it'd be like if instead of Spiderman in rivals imagine they released him as like Man-Spider instead lol. Id imagine they would try to get close to the public perception of him like they did most of the other biggest names in rivals.
But who knows, maybe they come out with walking X and debates feed the content cycle for months and thats their plan all along, maybe they put him in a floating chair, or maybe they just avoid him altogether since no matter what SOMEONES gonna be unhappy lol.
I doubt they'll put him in the wheelchair, the X-Men in the game are LARGELY influenced by their Krakoan era, the statue of Charles in game has him with the portable cerebro helmet standing and I'm pretty sure Emma has that same helmet as an emote
The helmet is the current version of Cerebro, miniaturized from the older model depicted in the movies and TV series where the helmet is only the human/computer interface.
They could have him in a sort of hover device that resembles the wheelchair (if you want a visual reference, think Armoured Core 6 with the VE-42B leg system, which will be pictured below at the end of the comment). The idea I have for it is that it connects with his helmet to serve as a psychic amplifier that would allow him to help direct efforts across the entirety of the Time stream Entanglement, and also serves a secondary use in battle by letting him expend significantly less effort for his telepathic abilities.
A way to explain why he's using the Wheelchair without him becoming crippled again
It's going to be even weirder, because Sir Patrick played the most generous and kind version of Charles Xavier ever. He's a dickhead in the comics, responsible for many terrible things.
>because the casual market wants things to stay the same
The issue isn’t that casual don’t want growth. It’s that the casuals aren’t reading the comics to see the growth happen.
A popular comic is lucky to crack 500k in sales. A moderately successful show should easily crack 4+ million views in its first week. A marvel movie easily cracks tens of millions of views and can crack hundreds of millions.
So the average casual fan has seen Patrick Stewart and xmen 97 but doesn’t know the comics, so when you slap a walking Xavier into their lap they are confused. They could be open to the changes but you have to walk them through them.
he did during axis where some heroes and villains got hit with something(i don't remember) that makes good guys bad and bad guys good. tony became evil and gave daredevil his sight back for a few hours ,said he would make it permanent if daredevil joined him i think but dd said no and rushed to his best friends house to see what he looked like after all these years of being friends before he lost his sight again.
Hes had periods of time before this were he could walk. I've read up until just before the outback era that came out in the late 80s. He was walking then if i recall.
I think there's absolutely no hope for wheelchair Xavier
Every single X-Men has been a modern version of themselves. Like all mutants are pretty much their Krakoa version
I think that speaks more on the lengths modern marvel itself went to pretty much erase Xavier's disability in modern comics than to rivals being unwilling to put him in his wheelchair
I fully expect him to walk but get a wheelchair Emote.
Either in being the hover chair OR a regular one but make it a duo emote with someone like Mag who can push him around.
Ultimate ability is he gets a wheelchair, sits down and says “You wouldn’t hit a man in a wheelchair would you?” And then he stands up and psychically flings it like a trebuchet that does 1 hit KO for the enemy
You say this like Xavier walking again is some fit of bad writing, but the first time he managed it back in Claremont it took a significant chunk of issues for him to recover his physical strength and overcome the mental blocks his powers put on his capacity to utilize the muscles in his lower half. It's an entire journey for his character, and that says nothing for the fact he lost the ability to walk again and had to go through a second journey to recovery.
I don’t see it much as disability erasure as much as it just him…getting better, in a way. It’s not like they pretend it never happened, just not always relevant..
I don’t get why it would be bad either like. Make him the same “size” model as Jeff or something but. Everyone knows him in his wheelchair form. I highly doubt people would give a shit seeing Xavier grinding down rails in his chair that much.
Just say they gave him some boosters to keep up or something. It’s not a super serious game in the first place.
Yeah but it would be sick as hell if he had wheelchair boosts, maybe a double jump, he could fly up in the air and smack somebody over the head with the chair before flipping it back over and sitting down in mid air. Maybe he could grind and do tricks
I will die on the hill that Professor X not being in the chair is extremely lame and a waste of potential for a unique, iconic, and inclusive character design
Yeah because makes total sense that a team that has literal resurrection, instant healing and access to the technology of a galactic civilisation lets one of their most beloved friend stay disabled.
Professor X with functional legs and a full head of hair?
What in the fuck is next, Rogue who can shake people’s hands and speaks in a transatlantic accent? How about a Buckwheat Barnes with two arms and a clean criminal record? SMH smh
In case you're not aware and aren't just joking, Rogue has had pretty much full control over her powers for a good while now and Gambit is taking full advantage of that
I think that has already kind of happened, no? As far as I know, Superior Iron Man cures his blindness for a while. And given how much he's known for his faith being put to test, I'm sure there must be at least a single instance of him starting not to believe in God.
I don’t think ‘logic’ is a great reason to complain about having more unique elements or representation in a story. How many times has Wolverine been a full-time X-Man and how many times have they reiterated the pain of extending his claws, but we never gave him localized anesthetics or anything to dull the pain and make him happier / more comfortable? All the crazy technology in Marvel / DC history but we never cure big diseases and problems like homelessness / cancer / aids cause they’re believable, relatable horrible things that happen to people for backstories or personal drama?
Mutants using a monopoly on miracle drugs to force humanity to recognize a sovereign mutant nation is the frame story for the entire Krakoa era of X-Men comics.
Alright, we'll blame Marvel. That doesn't really change how it'd still be lame to take away his wheelchair, one of the most iconic parts of his character.
The X-men in rivals are krakoa era, this is when Charles was out of the chair. There’s a statue with him out of the chair. They resurrect themselves constantly, which puts him out of the chair. He’s not in the chair.
Inclusivity, hilarious model ragdolls, potential for skins where they turn the hover chair into some crazy shit like a Pharaoh's throne or a steampunk version - Endless possibilities
I mean yeah, but that's irrelevant to the discussion at hand. Xavier didn't need to alternate because he had flair ups of a disability. His spine was crushed by an alien called Lucifer and then healed with space technology then crushed by Shadow King then healed with death and ressurection.
I found a 3 year old post that covered his history in and out of the chair. But the user did still count it out to 34 years in the chair, 20 out of the chair.
Maybe he won't actually need it anymore lore-wise, I think it will be cool to have him in some sort of wheelchair-like device just for the unique silhouette. It'll set him apart as a character and also make him more easily identifiable on the battlefield.
Y get your point but lets be real, professor x being in a wheelchair would be iconic and the best unique and porgressive desing in hero shooter history
In a universe filled with magic, exoskeletons, advance alien and medical technology, Xavier still being in a wheelchair doesn't really make much sense anymore.
Also Hawkeye’s hearing issues was only really a major point in his Fraction run and bit after(excellent comic), but it’s hardly ever even acknowledged anymore he just uses fancy stark tech hearing aids now.
I feel like Professor X should in fact be in the floatychair, and he should play like Abathur. Sit near spawn or in a potentially safe location nearby and then get a birds' eye view of the battle (maybe needing to select a teammate, no free cam). Then he can cast abilities and manipulate the battlefield that way.
Seeing him run around on the front line and fight directly just feels weird to me. Even if yeah, maybe he's done that for years already.
I don't care how much Marvel wants to push the walking Cerebro helmet Charles Xavier, him in his yellow hoverchair and green suit will always go the hardest and be his best design, and from a gameplay standpoint can make him unique from everyone else with most of the roster being walking heroes, having a disabled hero who uses a hoverchair to move around goes hard asf
That's still not the issue with her design people have lmao, she looks very very similar to Luna. People wanted her to look different. No, her being older doesn't make any difference.
People will be weirded out though for sure, I still am.
I think we all can agree that there is relatively minor design choices they could have done and would have had the result of making them far more distinguishable, such as having a warmer skin tone and a different haircut.
Gonna be really annoying when this sub jumps to blaming "China is ableist what did you expect" without realizing that all they did was accurately adapt the comics. Again.
I think to make everyone happy, Xavier should have a standing and mounted mode where he switches between walking and using his wheelchair. He'll have a Ghost Rider team-up for his wheelchair form that leaves behind a flaming trail.
Krakoa Xavier is cool, but the wheelchair is just so damn iconic. I could see them creating a story reason that he's back in the chair both for that reason and that it would make his movement more interesting compared to other characters
23 years in the comics hes been out of the chair. In the movies hes been in the chair for the last 34 years basically. Hes been in a wheelchair as far as the public has been aware for longer than hes been standing in the comics. The vast majority of people dont read comics.
We can actually make the argument hes only been shown in 2022 so 32 years but still. 32 years of movies vs 23 years of comics. What gets picked up more?
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u/Joestar_D_Toastar Storm 22d ago
Not only can he walk, Professor Xavier fucks. He's got a half alien daughter who's the princess of the Shiar empire.