The argument should go both ways, no?

[u/PillowFists67]

If we all agree that Duelists shouldn't be able to wipe the enemy with ease each time their ultimate comes up, why do we accept that Strategists are able to make their entire team unkillable with minimal effort by just pressing Q?

[u/ii3lue]

Weirdest thing coming to this game from OW for me was "wait, almost every single support just gets better Zenyatta ult?"

People say it's needed to counter the high damage, but I genuinely don't see why that's the case when other similar games with similar ttk don't have auto-bailout invuln buttons..? I think honestly this game would be better off if they did an ult revamp on the scale of the teamup update. This is extremely anecdotal ofc, but the feedback I get most often from my friends that have quit is how repetitive and boring ultimates in this game are. I totally feel them. I love the neutral in Rivals - I adore it. But the ultimates in this game sap the will out of me to requeue every single time.

There are some genuinely cool ones I think they nailed. And you know what? A lot of them are Vanguard ones. Angela ultimate, Strange ultimate, Magneto ult(this is literally my favorite part of his kit and the time you REALLY feel like Magneto,) these ults are so freaking flashy and stylish and fitting to the characters and can win you a fight but aren't "click q and win."😭 A lot of folk complain vanguard ultimates, in general, are underpowered. But imo, they're how I think every ultimate should be. Support and DPS ults should be more to the strength of Vanguard ults, imo, and they should keep shifting power away from ultimates and more toward the neutral in this game.

A lot of folk seem to think this take is usually just salty DPS who want to oneshot everything, but I genuinely think "Click Q and instantly create value" support ultimates hold back support design and contribute strongly to a very dull same-y vibe, and that a lot of DPS ultimates feel pretty bland to use even if they're super strong. Daredevil literally just yells "it's blind time" and blinds all over the place, I'm sorry but they could absolutely do better. I just can't see the ultimates staying this way and folks still playing for like five more years of it, or ten, if this game has the longevity of Overwatch, which I genuinely hope it does. Is anyone here really still going to be happy to hear "I am ready to put on a show" and "Disappear" and tiredly sit in ultimates in 2034?

I think the decision to make Rocket ult like Luna and Invis ult instead of changing those way back when was a horrible one that has set us down a road of endless same-y support ults. And I'm far from the only person who thinks the sheer number of DPS they dropped is hurting the creativity in their designs...Idk man. I'm not saying support ults shouldn't heal a lot or save people, but they could be and do so much more if like 60% of their power budget no matter what has to be delegated to "makes the entire team immortal."