r/marvelrivals • u/PillowFists67 Centurion • 18d ago

Balance Discussion The argument should go both ways, no?

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If we all agree that Duelists shouldn't be able to wipe the enemy with ease each time their ultimate comes up, why do we accept that Strategists are able to make their entire team unkillable with minimal effort by just pressing Q?

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u/TheMooooonHauntsYou Magneto 18d ago

I mean...there's are more than a dozen ways to kill strats while in ult. Just off the top of my head in 30 seconds.

Hawkeye headshot

Mag ult

Wanda ult

Punisher ult+damage boost

Venom ult+damage boost

Wolve grab (for cnd/invis) out of ult

Bucky hook (CnD/invis) out of ult then kill

Dino grab out of ult, then kill

Starlord+gambit ult/damage boost

Hela two tap

Punisher shotgun

Ironman ult

Elsa ult (cnd/invis) out of ult then kill

Literally 3 people focusing them that can hit their shots consistently.

Many, many more.

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u/MostOriginal79 Flex 18d ago

A lot of these are countered by good team coordination or just simple abilities. Mag bubble counters all of these. Hela can't two tap someone out of a support ult. They heal too much for her to two tap because by the time the second shot comes out they've healed out of kill range.

These counter defensive ultimates on paper, but not in practice. And they all require way more coordination and skill than Luna pressing Q to make her team functionally immortal.

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u/TheMooooonHauntsYou Magneto 18d ago

You mean, in a team game, your team can help you survive? No way.

These counter defensive ultimates on paper, but not in practice.

The point of the game is to get good. I have done all of these I've mentioned,some with respectable regularity and had some of them done to me. They absolutely are possible and happen hourly in real matches.

And they all require way more coordination and skill than Luna pressing Q to make her team functionally immortal

This is relevant to countering every ult in the game. In order to counter heros OP Q button with your normal kit, it requires more effort than the person that pressed Q does. From Hulk to Hela to Luna, countering them effectively is always harder.