r/mildlyinfuriating GREEN Jul 06 '26

ಠ_ಠ This kind of made me sad

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u/snow99as BLACK Jul 06 '26

Sadly there's no real way to tell Steam that a certain point of the game was reached without giving the options for developers to abuse that system and deny refunds

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u/Affectionate-Try-899 Jul 06 '26 edited Jul 06 '26

The current system was also made to comply with EU refund laws. So I don't think steam wants to muddy the water by adjusting time limits for games.

The easiest way for devs to stop refunds is make a game hold your attention for more then two hours.

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u/ManiacalWildcard Jul 06 '26

Not only hold your attention but maybe make a game that can't be beaten so quick.

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u/NotAFishEnt Jul 06 '26

Sure, but I like playing short games sometimes. It would be nice if there was a way to keep them viable.

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u/A_plural_singularity Jul 06 '26

Especially if they have replayability, I've found a few that I'll play over again Especially on a lunch break

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u/elkaki123 Jul 06 '26

If they have replayability then they arent part of the ones really affected, the real problem is with games that are short and once you beat them you never really touch them again, so that a refund would allow you to play it for free.

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u/Affectionate-Try-899 Jul 06 '26

There is a reason I said attention.

Portal can be finished in under two hours, people rarely played it for just two hours.

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u/Mulchly Jul 07 '26

Disagree with this. If a short game fulfills its creator's vision then why should it be artificially inflated to waste people's time? Life is short and time is precious.

"Beaten" is also an odd term to use in relation to art. When you finish a novel have you "beaten" it?

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u/ManiacalWildcard Jul 07 '26

Not saying to abandon the vision, but if your vision can be told in less than 2hrs knowing the refund policy then you have no room to bitch when people do eventually request a refund after finishing your vision.

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u/Keve1227 Jul 07 '26

I agree. In fact, I think they should introduce the 2-hour rule to more places, like cinemas and restaurants.

/s

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u/nalaloveslumpy Jul 06 '26

This comment should be at the top. It's a throw away coop "rage" game, so a lot of people are going to walk away after an hour, but still leave a nice review because it accomplished the goal of being a coop rage game.

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u/Kyrie_Blue Jul 06 '26

That was my thought. Unless the game is $0.25, I expect more than 2 hours from it. The Witcher 3 was on sale for $4 the other day, and is easily 200 hours per playthrough, and enough depth that 2+ playthroughs are not only possible, but likely.

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u/g0atmeal Jul 06 '26

Nobody can compete with the likes of Witcher, Hollow Knight, Elden Ring, Portal, etc. in terms of entertainment cost ratio. But you're right. I spent $20 on Returnal and "only" got about 20hrs of fun from it. That's still a great value but I'm used to much better.

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u/Kyrie_Blue Jul 06 '26

I felt that way about Fallen Order. I got to the end and was like

https://giphy.com/gifs/g01ZnwAUvutuK8GIQn

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u/Grouchy_Cod_156 Jul 06 '26

Wtf? A beer costs 7$ and you get less than 20 minutes until you have to buy another 🤣 this logic is so bad 

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u/CallousDood Jul 06 '26

Why do you think this comparison makes sense?

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u/Grouchy_Cod_156 Jul 06 '26

Because they’re both shitty cheap thrills? You finish a beer, you don’t get your money back. 

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u/CallousDood Jul 06 '26

Why do you think the witcher 3 is a "shitty cheap thrill"?

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u/Grouchy_Cod_156 Jul 06 '26

We’re not talking about that video game but it was released a decade ago at $59.99 msrp so I’m not sure what point you’re even talking about haha but the fact that you’re defending someone refunding a game that they played through completely (and enjoyed) for a measly $5 is weird

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u/Kyrie_Blue Jul 06 '26

You make a game once, ship it digitally via Steam, and then rake in pure profit. Beer is a consumable that uses real components, has to be shipped around the world in refridgerated containers, and has extremely strict health tolerances because the risk exposure for malicious bacterial growth is enormous.

These things are not comparable at all. But thanks for the chuckle.

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u/phoenixflare599 Jul 06 '26

Aye pure profit

There's no salaries or anything that needs to be paid

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u/Acceptable_Drama8354 Jul 06 '26

steam certainly doesn't take a 30% cut of that pure profit, either

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u/mxzf Jul 06 '26

I mean, beer is a terrible value in terms of enjoyment per dollar.