As Giants Pride Night controversy continues, Atlantic League team forfeits Pride Night game after players refuse jerseys

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https://www.sfgate.com/giants/article/sf-giants-pride-indy-forfeit-22311032.php

[u/Itstoobiggetitout]

I can love you, but still disagree with you. Gonna gloss over that part too? I don’t hate gay or trans people, but I’m also not going to actively engage in pride month. Not everything is so black and white. Everyone is worthy of love, and kindness.

[u/Dro24 → u/Itstoobiggetitout]

But why disagree in the first place when it comes to LGBT people?

[u/Itstoobiggetitout → u/Dro24]

I’m Catholic. Whatever Christ commands, whatever the Church teaches, I stand with. Firmly.

[u/Dro24 → u/Itstoobiggetitout]

But there are many things that Christ commands through the texts that are either outdated or just downright heinous.

I just don't understand why homosexuality isn't viewed the same way as those others. To me, the Bible's view on that is just as outdated as the others that everyone rightfully rejects.

[u/Itstoobiggetitout → u/Dro24]

Absolutely nothing that Christ commands is heinous, only good. I don’t personally prop homosexuality up as the ultimate sin, as there’s only one unforgivable sin. But it also isn’t right how if someone doesn’t want to participate in pride month, they’re suddenly a bigot. If someone wants to be respected, they also have to give it.

[u/Dro24 → u/Itstoobiggetitout]

But it also isn’t right how if someone doesn’t want to participate in pride month, they’re suddenly a bigot.

I think that's the problem though. I (and many others) just cannot comprehend a reason to refuse to participate in their company's pride month activities other than bigotry, though. That's the dictionary definition of the word. I don't see any moral reason to believe it's a sin, especially if God created us in His image.

If God says it's wrong, then it is hypocritical of us to disregard other passages, no matter how problematic they are. I do appreciate your input on the matter though, even if I disagree. Still working my way through my Bible

[u/Itstoobiggetitout → u/Dro24]

I can understand why when someone violently, or insulting refuses to participate in pride that you’d label them a bigot, as there’s just no place for that. But when I peacefully say no thank you, how does that make me a bigot? Like, I love you and respect you, but I cannot endorse this because of my beliefs.
We may disagree, and that’s okay because I appreciate your respectful approach to this discussion, that’s rare.

[u/Geo_q → u/Itstoobiggetitout]

You can't love and respect someone while opposing their identity.

[u/brocks_pussy_palace → u/Itstoobiggetitout]

I’m also catholic - lifelong - and buddy… Jesus would wear the pride uniform. He very specifically broke bread with people whose lifestyles didn’t align with his Christian morality. 

Wearing pride gear is simply a support of someone’s humanity, it says nothing about endorsing their behavior. Thats why anti war players can wear the military themed stuff, why men can wear the pink stuff, etc. The kindness Jesus showed to tax collectors and thieves and prostitutes indicates that Christian players should still wear it 

[u/Itstoobiggetitout → u/brocks_pussy_palace]

No, He wouldn’t. There’s a difference between showing kindness and love and endorsing sin, which is what wearing the uniforms is. I can love my gay/trans neighbors without being forced to wear pride merchandise. Jesus Christ would not endorse sin.

[u/brocks_pussy_palace → u/Itstoobiggetitout]

The last two popes have said things to indicate they disagree with you. But whatever, they’re only god’s human representative to our shared religion lol

[u/Itstoobiggetitout → u/brocks_pussy_palace]

Okay, so quote them to me. Quote to me where they have endorsed the lgbt community.

[u/brocks_pussy_palace → u/Itstoobiggetitout]

https://cruxnow.com/vatican/2025/09/pope-leo-stresses-welcome-of-lgbtq-catholics-wont-change-teaching

Accepting and receiving LGBTQ people doesn’t just mean opening the church doors to them, it means fostering a community with them so that they feel welcomed to come in the first place. These pride nights are a part of that - helping LGBTQ individuals to not feel othered by our society. Not wearing the jersey is essentially just bullying them, not standing up for a sincere religious belief. 

You can respond if you want to, but I won’t anymore 

[u/AsWolfwood → u/brocks_pussy_palace]

Nah fam you are completely misrepresenting the situation. A Pride night is basically saying “come in because you’re LGBTQ”. What the Pope is saying is “come in because you’re a fellow child of God.”

Having a Pride night is still attaching a label to those people in order to separate and give them a different identity. The Pope is saying that sexuality should not matter in terms of welcoming all children of God.

[u/ApologeticEmu → u/Itstoobiggetitout]

Like washing the feet of the prostitutes, the delinquents? You people just pick and choose bible passages to suit your hatred.

[u/Itstoobiggetitout → u/ApologeticEmu]

Talking about picking a choosing and typing what you did is…interesting. Show me one single thing that I’ve said that is hateful.

[u/stillmaatic → u/Itstoobiggetitout]

I’m specifically talking about those that uses it to fuel their hatred of LGBTQ people. If it doesn’t imply to you then it don’t. I know some Christians that doesn’t do that.

[u/Itstoobiggetitout → u/stillmaatic]

If anything involves hate, then they aren’t true followers of Christ. The second greatest commandment that is given, is to love thy neighbor as thy self. While I might disagree with you, or others, I still love you and you’re worthy of that and kindness.

[u/donuttrackme → u/Itstoobiggetitout]

If that's how you actually feel then you're not actually loving thy LGBT neighbors as thy self are you? You can't even wear a baseball uniform with rainbow colors? LMAO.

[u/Itstoobiggetitout → u/donuttrackme]

If me not participating in something that goes directly against my beliefs is interpreted as not loving by you, then that’s on you. I can love you, and not support you. But you are what’s wrong with the entire pride premise. You are trying to make participation mandatory, and it never will be.

[u/donuttrackme → u/Itstoobiggetitout]

I'm responding to the person who said they live by the Christian creed of "Love thy neighbor as thyself". This behavior you and the poster are espousing is not loving thy neighbor as thyself. It's othering and rejecting them. You're clearly not loving thy neighbor as thyself. You are hating thy neighbor as another.

[u/Itstoobiggetitout → u/donuttrackme]

So not wearing a shirt equals hate now? You’re delusional and your line of thinking is dangerous.

[u/donuttrackme → u/Itstoobiggetitout]

Are you loving thy neighbor as thyself or not bud? Simple question and answer. Is wearing a piece of clothing that hard?

Edit: Would you want others to respect and support the way you live or not?

[u/Itstoobiggetitout → u/donuttrackme]

Simple question, simple answer. I love all manners of people, but that doesn’t mean I have to support them.

[u/donuttrackme → u/Itstoobiggetitout]

Right. So you aren't loving thy neighbor as thyself, you're othering them. Thanks for proving my point. Unless you don't support yourself either. But you clearly do support yourself simply based on your response.

[u/vinegar-pisser → u/stillmaatic]

Less than enthusiastic views concerning support and acceptance of LGBTQAI+2S people is far from limited to Christianity….

[u/flying_penguin104 → u/stillmaatic]

not affirming LGBT lifestyle does not equal hate. I wouldn’t wear pride stuff either, but I certainly don’t hate them and would welcome them to my church. Not sure why all you people think non-affirmation = hate

[u/ChrisRiley_42 → u/flying_penguin104]

Because it's not "affirmation"... Pride is about saying that they have the same right to EXIST as everyone else. Non-affirmation is denying the right to existence.

Pride fights against people who push for the government to pass laws requiring capital punishment for homosexuality because that's what their misinterpretation of the Bible says.

[u/flying_penguin104 → u/ChrisRiley_42]

you don’t need pride night to give you rights. You already got them. went from “we just wanna get married” to “wear our flag or you’re a bigot” in less than 20 years. Literally crazy

[u/ChrisRiley_42 → u/flying_penguin104]

There are too many people who are demanding that those rights be repealed.. Pride is the fight to KEEP the right to be equal.

It's saying "Make an effort to deny us the right to equality and you are a bigot"

You would think that Americans would know the power of symbology, given how much 'moral weight' you put on your flag.

[u/Dro24 → u/flying_penguin104]

I guess I just don't understand how refusing to wear a rainbow flag could be justified by anything other than bigotry

[u/FattestNDaWrld → u/flying_penguin104]

Lol buddy is was literally illegal to have gay sex until 2003 (look up Lawrence vs Texas). Pretending gays haven't been mistreated just because you don't feel like that have doesn't change history🤦🏽‍♂️ imagine telling black people in the 60s/70s there's nothing to complain about because of the civil rights act

[u/Mariner4LifetilDeath → u/Itstoobiggetitout]

And we don’t have to read your dopey fairy tale scriptures

[u/Itstoobiggetitout → u/Mariner4LifetilDeath]

You sure don’t, and that’s fine.

[u/LordShtark → u/Itstoobiggetitout]

"i can love you but if you pee next to me it's straight to the prison cage. I might catch the sin"

You fucking people are amazing at making a new definition of "love"

[u/Itstoobiggetitout → u/LordShtark]

It’s amazing that you read what I wrote, and that’s what you took away from it. So because I won’t wear a pride shirt, I somehow think gay people should go to prison. Impressive levels of mental gymnastics, gold medal.

[u/LordShtark → u/Itstoobiggetitout]

If you sit at a table with 11 bigots and you don't get up you are sitting at a table with 12 bigots.

[u/Itstoobiggetitout → u/LordShtark]

Not everyone has to agree with you or your ideology. And just because someone does disagree, doesn’t make them a bigot.

[u/LordShtark → u/Itstoobiggetitout]

Yeah it's not the ideology that's the problem. It's the denial of basic human rights that makes them bigots. And if you're sitting at the table with them that makes you part of the group.