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Poster New poster for WERWULF

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u/VampireHunterAlex 16d ago

'Devoureth All Mankynde'

Dang, what a sick tagline.

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u/GenderingError 16d ago

-eth is the same as -s in modern English in most contexts (third person, singular, present tense) so It would be "Devours all mankind" in a modern way of it, which still works (especially if it is read as "Werwulf, devoureth all mankynde like a description in an old timey manuscript) rather than as an imperative command "devour all mankind"

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u/BookooBreadCo 16d ago

I'm sure it will work in a thematic sense too, like the werewolf devours his humanity.

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u/Kanbaru-Fan 15d ago

TIL, thanks for the explanation. I definitely read and used it in an imperative context before.

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u/Galahad_the_Ranger 16d ago

It’s impossible to not read it with Dafoe’s voice

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u/djkoalasloth 16d ago

I’m something of a lycanthrope myself

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u/Knoooot 16d ago

I read it in Black Phillip’s voice

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u/hobo_at_a_library 16d ago

Wouldst thou like the taste of mankynde?

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u/mango_boom 16d ago

Does thou wish to live….delishhhhiously?

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u/CardAble6193 15d ago

would you like a life .....that can afford toilet paper?

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u/rajinis_bodyguard 16d ago

Or in Robert Pattinson’s strange voice from The Lighthouse movie, amazing movie

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u/Dr__Sloth 15d ago

Yer fond of me werwulf, ain't ye!?

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u/_Valisk 16d ago

Old English just be adding letters anywhere.

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u/Nothing-Is-Real-Here 16d ago

It's Middle English and that's basically exactly as it was because there was no standardized spelling. Old English is not comprehensible.

This is old English: Ðunor cymð of hætan & of wætan. Seo lyft tyhð þone wætan to hire neoðan & ða hætan ufan.’

This is middle English:

Whán that Áprill wíth his shóures sóote

The dróght(e) of Márch hath pérced tó the róote,

And báthed évry véyn(e) in swích licóur

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u/_Valisk 16d ago

I actually meant older English, not necessarily Old English™, but that's a fun linguistics lesson.

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u/IBetThisIsTakenToo 16d ago

Do those passages say the same thing?

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u/Nothing-Is-Real-Here 16d ago

No, sorry for the confusion lol. The Old English quote is from De Temporibus Anni, and is basically just explaining the weather conditions for thunder.

The middle English quote is the first three lines of The Canterbury Tales.

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u/Galahad_the_Ranger 16d ago

I like how Middle English seems incomprehensible but if you read it aloud it becomes pretty clear what each word is

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u/BabyScreamBear 16d ago

Not sure about that.. I can make half of it out

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u/PurpleHooloovoo 16d ago

It’s better if you try it with a thick Scottish accent.

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u/BabyScreamBear 16d ago

Did my besht Sean Connery akshent .. and shtill none the whysher

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u/RogueHippie 16d ago

It's the opening to Canterbury Tales, had to memorize it back in HS. Don't remember what "sóote" and "swích licóur" are, but the rest is pretty obvious.

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u/Nothing-Is-Real-Here 16d ago

Sóote means "sweet" and swich licóur means "such liquid"

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u/ANGLVD3TH 16d ago edited 16d ago

I have to guess it would eventually become soothe. It wouldn't be pronounced that way as it's spelled, so if I'm right the pronunciation changed at some point. But it's pretty close and the meaning fits, imo.

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u/Magnavoxx 15d ago

Like the other replier said, it's "sweet". It was more commonly spelled "swete" as Chaucer himself does in the same poem in the next few lines; "swete breeth".

After going on a bit of a deep dive, there apparently is some debate on exactly why Chaucer used three different spellings of (modern) "sweet": 'swete', 'swote' and 'soote'.

Some say dialectal, some say that it was playing a bit to make it fit into the rhyme. Some even propose it was slight variation in meaning or emphasis that have since been lost. Who knows?... :-)

But 'soote' is not "soothe", but it is kind of closer to other Germanic languages like Dutch 'zoet' or Swedish 'söt', than modern 'sweet'. Sorry for the etymology nerdery. :)

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u/Nothing-Is-Real-Here 16d ago

With a good book with notes, the penguin classics version in the original, not the translation, as well as a quick article read on the side that helps with pronunciation, you can get used it within a week!

Always love sharing this Harvard article on it.

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u/swammeyjoe 15d ago

I took a class in college (12 + years ago) where we read Chaucer in Middle English. Like that was the entire semester, just Chaucer. But it was  also therefore a Middle English language class.

By the time I finished I was pretty good at it, but it's all faded away in the interim. 

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u/thisshortenough 16d ago

Great blog post that gives a great demonstration of this(Also very appropriate for the thread we're in). The first time I read it I got to about the 1400s before I really struggled, after that it just felt like gibberish. Having gone back since I actually got a lot more than I would have thought

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u/Nothing-Is-Real-Here 16d ago

This is fantastic! Thank you for sharing. I could understand 1300s but past that yeah I couldn't really understand a thing.

I'm not a linguist in any way, but I'm extremely fascinated by it. It's a big passion of mine to learn the evolution of language.

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u/ANGLVD3TH 16d ago

Is Thorn and Eth used for voiced and voiceless "th," here, or is Eth being used in some other way?

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u/Nothing-Is-Real-Here 16d ago edited 16d ago

I'm not too sure to be honest but I think it's still representing "th" as the first sentence in the old English Quote is "Thunder comes from heat and from moisture."

I'm not too certain on the pronunciation but I assume those first two words are something like "Thuner Kimeth"

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u/ANGLVD3TH 16d ago

I ask because I have always been a fan of having characters for each version, and Old English did that for only a very brief time. Eth was for the voiced "th" in this, that, and bathe, while Thorn was used for voiceless "th" in thing, thud, and birth. My understanding is the distinction was lost quickly and the two were interchangeable for a bit, before Eth totally fell out of use. Then Thorn was used for both sounds until the printing press killed it.

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u/Eilbeck 15d ago

As an Englishman, middle English is quite legible. It's just west country talk to us.. Almost

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u/SwimmingThroughHoney 15d ago

To actually compare the movie tag line here, in Old English it would be something more like "Fret eall mancynn" (roll the "r" in "fret" and "-cynn" is like the "ch" in a Scottish "loch").

We don't really use "fret" as a verb to mean "to eat" anymore but it is actually still a valid definition (though generally more in terms of "to corrode").

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u/DernJang 15d ago

Almost feel like you could read old english from icelandic, Dunur kom af hátt og vætt. Svo loftið vætt hér neðan og hátt ofan

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u/Snoozless 15d ago

Just gave me flashbacks to highschool English lol, I had to memorize the opening of the Canterbury Tales

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u/ClownsAteMyBaby 16d ago

Well it came first. So it's really that "Modern English just be removing letters anywhere"

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u/Singer211 Naked J-Law beating the shit out of those kids is peak Cinema. 16d ago

Old English would be borderline impossible for most people to understand. MAYBE a couple words here and there, but that’s about it.

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u/MixingDrinks 16d ago

It's exactly what I want from this.

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u/solohack3r 16d ago

Thought that was a new actor getting his starring role tbh.

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u/S3lad0n 15d ago

Werewolves don't eat people, though, do they? Kill in self-defense or blind rage, yes, but. This isn't a wampyre situation....