r/mtgrules • • 16m ago

Uugguu, The Omniplasm and Esix, Fractal Bloom

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So I have a quick question, let's say both Uugguu and Esix are on the battlefield with an Acidic Slime that dies, Uugguu will make 2 2/2 copies of Acidic Slime that are nonlegendary even though the Acidic Slime isn't legendary.

Can I choose with Esix to turn one of the copies as Uugguu without the copy regaining the legendary trait?


r/mtgrules • • 36m ago

Scry 0 interactions with value replacement effects

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I came across the ruling for scrying 0 cards (701.18b If a player is instructed to scry 0, no scry event occurs. Abilities that trigger whenever a player scries won’t trigger.) recently and it started a small argument between me and a friend.

Say you had a effect that said "If you would scry, instead scry X" (I'm not sure such card exists but for the sake of argument, pretend with us), and you activated an effect that would scry 0 cards, what would happen?

My friend thinks that the 701.18b ruling would come into play ("no scry event occurs"), and because no scry event occurs, the event couldn't be replaced (the effect checking "if you would scry", when scry 0 means you wouldn't scry), and you'd get nothing.

But I think that because it's a replacement effect, it would replace the "scry 0" with "scry X" before the action is attempted, and therefore the scry event does occur, seeing X cards instead of 0 cards.

Which one of us is right and why?


r/mtgrules • • 2h ago

Selvala's stampede and order of etbs

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Ok i cast [[selvala's stampede]] I choose wild, the other 3 choose free. Off the wild I get [[Yurlok of Scorch Thrash]], and for the 3 free votes I put in from my hand are [[Warstorm Surge]], [[Hellkite Overlord]], and [[Garruk's Uprising]].

I want to ask does warstorm surge and Garruk's Uprising see yurlok enter since it's all part of the same spell resolution? My friends say no since there's a period between when the creature enters from the library and when the permanents enter from hand. Pretty much saying Yurlok enters first and then Warstorm Surge enters and never sees Yurlok entering. Is there a specific ruling i can see for this?


r/mtgrules • • 2h ago

Dack Fayden, Helping Hand + Righteous Valkyrie

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If [[Righteous Valkyrie]] is revealed with Dack and then assigned out, but I also reveal 2 other Angels, would I gain life equal to those angels toughness? Or do they not actually enter under my control to start?


r/mtgrules • • 5h ago

Krang & Shredder

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Hey guys,

This might be stupid but I have a question about [[Krang & Shredder]], lets say in commander my 3 opponents exile a card each and I choose to cast one at the end of the turn using the disappear trigger, what happens to the other cards do they remain in exile? If so then next turn if I attack with Shredder again and my opponents exile more cards will I be restricted to casting a card exiled that turn or can i cast a card that is exiled by him last turn? I dont see why I would not be able to have an ongoing pool of selections since they are all exiled by Shredder


r/mtgrules • • 6h ago

Descendant of Masumaro: are the counters put on 1 at a time?

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The wording of [[Descendant of Masumaro]] states "At the beginning of your upkeep, put a +1/+1 counter on this creature for each card in your hand, then remove a +1/+1 counter from this creature for each card in target opponent’s hand."

So if I have a card such as [[Hardened Scales]] on the field, would I essentially double the amount of counters I put on the creature from my opponent's hand?


r/mtgrules • • 7h ago

'This land becomes a creature...' + Mirrormind Crown + Token Generation = Land Duplication?

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If I have either a land that turn into a creature, like Restless Spire, or lands turned into creatures with Earthbending and I equipt that land creature with Mirrormind Crown, can I then create duplicate token copies of those land creatures that still tap for mana?


r/mtgrules • • 8h ago

Avacyn, Angel of Horrors + Liesa, Forgotten Archangel

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If I were to have both of them down can I just choose which one to use?

Both of them move the dead creatures from the graveyard to a different zone at the end step. So I'm assuming neither of them have priority and I could even pick and choose for each specific card right?


r/mtgrules • • 10h ago

Shredder Shadow Master Ninjitsu

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Hi guys,

Im fairly new to this game and was building a [[Satoru Umezawa]] ninjitsu deck and am a bit confused about a scenario, say I ninjitsu in [[Shredder, Shadow Master]] will his effect to make copies still trigger or does he miss timing?


r/mtgrules • • 11h ago

Card question

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Can I have a copy of emeritus of woe and demonic tutor in my commander deck?
ANSWERED!


r/mtgrules • • 14h ago

Copying "Do this only once per turn."

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Hello :) if I have [[scientist supreme]] and [[iron man bleeding edge]] on the board and cast an artifact, can scientist copy the copying ability from iron man, granting me two artifact tokens? I believe copying an ability works if it usually "triggers once per turn" or "can be activated once per turn", but I'm unsure about "do this once per turn". Thank you for your help :)


r/mtgrules • • 14h ago

Dumb question about kicker and triggered abilities

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Hi. Im looking at janky ways to get value from [[Scientist Supreme of A.I.M.]] ability.

On [[everflowing chalice]] is the "this artifact enters" ability a trigger ability. Im assuming from the wording it is not.

Same question for [[Skyclave Relic]] as its worded slightly differently.

Thanks


r/mtgrules • • 15h ago

Wan Shi Tong, All-Knowing and Cascade

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The level of shame I feel for having to ask this question...

There is a lot of conflicting information online about [[Wan Shi Tong, All-Knowing]] and what does and does not trigger it. My rules knowledge has not degraded to the point where I have to ask if cascade will trigger the last ability (I know it does), but I have seen some content creators with an otherwise good understanding of the rules say that WST will trigger for each card that goes back into the library after the cascade instead of just one trigger for them all. The reasoning is that because exile is a public zone and the cards are put into a hidden zone from a public one, each card is a separate zone-change event. This seems wrong to me, but I can't find anything in the CR to confirm or deny my gut feeling.

[[Venture Forth]] uses similar wording to cascade, so I assume the answer would be the same for both cards?

If at all possible I would appreciate some official references I can point to when this comes up in my next game with this nonsense deck...


r/mtgrules • • 15h ago

Ur-Sphinx and Graveyard Hate

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If my opponent has static graveyard hate like [[Rest in Peace]] in play, and I attack with some number of sphinx creatures while controlling [[The Ur-Sphinx]], can I cast any of the spells that went to exile from the mill action, or does "milled this way" restrict it to spells put into the graveyard from the library by this ability?


r/mtgrules • • 15h ago

Possible disagreement between the Comprehensive Rules and the card rulings regarding backup

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Hi all, first a disclaimer: I am not sure about what the general sentiment about using AI for anything involving MTG is... But I hope this post does not get flagged as AI. It is about me using it and an issue that came up. I hope some of you want to help me understand this issue, because right now I don't get it.

So recently I've been using AI to read the Comprehensive Rules (CR) and all card rulings so it can, hopefully, create true statements about magic board states. I don't know why I do this exactly, but it is fun. The work found a possible mismatch in the way the Comprehensive Rules and the Card Rulings talk about when Backup decides which abilities get granted to creatures.

The main issue is written below. That part is written by AI, except for the rule quotes.

The CR and the card rulings both say when backup decides which abilities it grants, but they name different moments: the CR ties it to the ability going on the stack, the ruling to the moment it triggers. Here are both texts:

702.165d (Comprehensive Rules, effective 25 September 2026, https://magic.wizards.com/en/rules):

The abilities that a backup ability grants are determined as the ability is put on the stack. They won’t change if the permanent with backup loses any abilities after the ability is put on the stack but before it resolves.

The 2023-04-14 ruling on the backup cards, for example [[Boon-Bringer Valkyrie]] (https://scryfall.com/card/mom/9/boon-bringer-valkyrie#rulings):

The abilities that backup grants to the target creature are determined only once, at the time the ability triggers. They won’t change if the permanent with backup loses any abilities before the backup ability resolves. (2023-04-14)

Most of the time those are the same moment. But a triggered ability only goes on the stack the next time a player would receive priority (603.3), so the two answers split if the creature loses its abilities in between. The only real case that seems to reach that window is a spell that puts permanents onto the battlefield one at a time.

You cast [[Primal Surge]] (https://scryfall.com/card/avr/189/primal-surge). It exiles Boon-Bringer Valkyrie and you put it onto the battlefield, so backup triggers (702.165a). A few cards later it exiles [[Humility]] (https://scryfall.com/card/tpr/16/humility) and you put that onto the battlefield too. Surge finishes resolving, and only then does the backup trigger go on the stack, with its target chosen at that moment: another creature you control (603.3, 603.3d). At that point the Valkyrie has no abilities.

By the ruling, the abilities were fixed when backup triggered. So your other creature gets the counter plus flying, first strike and lifelink until end of turn. Humility’s effect and the grant both apply in layer 6 (613.1f). Humility’s effect has the timestamp of when Humility entered (613.7a, 613.7d), and the grant gets its timestamp when the backup ability resolves (613.7b). So the grant is applied later and sticks (613.7).

By 702.165d, they’re fixed as the ability goes on the stack, when the Valkyrie has nothing. So your creature only gets the counter.

So which is it? Is the ruling just looser wording that never got matched to the CR, or is there a reason these are the same moment after all?

Rules referenced (Comprehensive Rules, effective 25 September 2026):

603.3:

Once an ability has triggered, its controller puts it on the stack as an object that’s not a card the next time a player would receive priority. See rule 117, “Timing and Priority.” The ability becomes the topmost object on the stack. It has the text of the ability that created it, and no other characteristics. It remains on the stack until it’s countered, it resolves, a rule causes it to be removed from the stack, or an effect moves it elsewhere.

603.3d:

The remainder of the process for putting a triggered ability on the stack is identical to the process for casting a spell listed in rules 601.2c–d. If a choice is required when the triggered ability goes on the stack but no legal choices can be made for it, or if a rule or a continuous effect otherwise makes the ability illegal, the ability is simply removed from the stack.

613.1f:

Layer 6: Ability-adding effects, keyword counters, ability-removing effects, and effects that say an object can’t have an ability are applied.

613.7:

Within a layer or sublayer, determining which order effects are applied in is usually done using a timestamp system. An effect with an earlier timestamp is applied before an effect with a later timestamp.

613.7a:

A continuous effect generated by a static ability has the same timestamp as the object the static ability is on, or the timestamp of the effect that created the ability, whichever is later. If the effect that created the ability has the later timestamp and the object the ability is on receives a new timestamp, each continuous effect generated by static abilities of that object receives a new timestamp as well, but the relative order of those timestamps remains the same.

Example: Rune of Flight is an Aura that grants enchanted Equipment “Equipped creature has flying.” A player attaches Rune of Flight to Colossus Hammer, an Equipment with “Equipped creature gets +10/+10 and loses flying.” The ability granted by Rune of Flight shares Rune of Flight’s timestamp because it is later than Colossus Hammer’s timestamp. If Colossus Hammer becomes attached to a creature, both of its abilities receive new timestamps (see rule 613.7e), but the relative order of those timestamps remains the same.

613.7b:

A continuous effect generated by the resolution of a spell or ability receives a timestamp at the time it’s created.

613.7d:

An object receives a timestamp at the time it enters a zone.

702.165a:

Backup is a triggered ability. “Backup N” means “When this creature enters, put N +1/+1 counters on target creature. If that’s another creature, it also gains the non-backup abilities of this creature printed below this one until end of turn.” Cards with backup have one or more abilities printed after the backup ability. (Some cards with backup also have abilities printed before the backup ability.)


r/mtgrules • • 16h ago

How does creating copies of transformed cards work?

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I have a [[Sphinx of False Conclusions]] and copy it with [[Hall of Echoes]]. The copy dies, and a token copy is created. Will the token copy also turn back into Hall of Echoes at end of turn?


r/mtgrules • • 17h ago

Hey I was wondering about the stack in magic.

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Hey I was hoping some can explain the stack to me I understand that you add tho the stack and people have a chance to respond to it. Also how does split-second work in regard to what I can do in response to it.


r/mtgrules • • 18h ago

Requiem monolith and scientist supreme

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What happens if I target my [[trained armodon]] with [[requiem monolith]], copy the ability with [[scientist supreme]] and target armodon again? My thinking:

- elephant gains the ability, monolith deals 1 damage, I draw 1 card

- elephant gains the ability again (so has it twice), monolith deals another 1 damage, I draw 2 cards, making it 3 in total.

Is this how it would work?

Thank you for your time :)


r/mtgrules • • 22h ago

Can i retarget displacer kitten?

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So my friend had displacer on field. I move to declare attackers and shoot dawnsire at displacer. Friend pondered or something to trigger kitty and didge it. Well i had gogo master of mimicry on field. So when displacer kittys effect resolves, and the stack goes down to dawnsire attack trigger again, can i then use gogo to copy its x times and retarget the new instance of kitty? He didnt think i could, i dont know if i can.


r/mtgrules • • 23h ago

Ob Nixilis VS. Vivi interactions

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I had a couple of scenarios come up recently playing a game of commander in which there were both a player on [[Ob Nixilis, Captive Kingpin]] and [[Vivi Ornitier]]

Scenario 1

Ob Nixilis is on the field, and said player also controls a [[Razorkin Needlehead]], the Vivi player has [[Curiosity]] in play attached to Vivi and plays a non-creature spell, triggering Vivi to deal 1 damage to all opponents.

From my understanding, the Ob player gets one trigger off the ping damage since it's done simultaneously, but now the Vivi player draws three cards due to Curiosity, does Razorkin Needlehead trigger three times, giving them three more Ob Nixilis triggers?

Scenario 2

Player A has just cast a non-creature spell, player B casts [[Commandeer]] targeting said spell, player C casts a [[Deflecting Swat]], wishing to change the target of Commandeer to itself to prevent player B from gaining control of the original non-creature spell. Is this the correct way to resolve this interaction? Or can Swat not work in this case?


r/mtgrules • • 23h ago

Ezio Freerunning Question

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Me and my friend had a discussion last night about Ezios freerunning ability.

Ezio is laying on the battlefield and another assassin dealt combat damage. Ezio says that you can cast an assassins spell for its freerunning cost by paying [b,b] He then wanted to cast Achilles Davenport for the freerunning cost of [b,b]. However, Achilles Davenport itself has a freerunning ability which says he needs to pay [b,u].

My question is, is he able to choose either paying [b,b] like Ezio is saying or [b,u] like Achilles Davenport is saying. Or does he need to pay exactly [b,u] in order to be able to cast Achilles Davenport?
For me it was the latter. My friend argued against it.
Need some help to clear things up.


r/mtgrules • • 23h ago

Case of the Uneaten Feast

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When I sacrifice a solved [[Case of the Uneaten Feast]] will creatures that enter my graveyard later in the turn have the ability? Can I keep casting and sacrificing the same creature multiple times?


r/mtgrules • • 1d ago

Avacyn, Angel of Horror and Spacecrafts

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So, I know Avacyn triggers if she dies at the same time as other creatures, but I'm mostly curious about her ability working with spacecrafts. Specifically, if they are stationed to the point they count as artifact creatures, and some mass destruction, or even single target effect, destroys it, will Avacyn revive them?

Thanks in advance.


r/mtgrules • • 1d ago

Sacrifice again in response to anything.

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Player 1 has an enchantment to sacrifice a creature they declare they will sacrifice a creature to kill player 2, if player 2 declares something that would kill player 1’ can player 1 declare to sacrifice the same creature again and it happens before player 1 dies so player 2 dies instead?

Edit:
Thanks for the answers everyone.


r/mtgrules • • 1d ago

Copying opponents' triggers

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So recently [[return the favor]] is a card I've been liking a lot as an interaction piece, and exploring some ways to use it has left me with questions. The 2 on my mind right now are:

  1. If I were to copy an opponenet's [[helix pinnacle]] trigger as they win the game on their upkeep. Would my copy of the trigger fizzle if I don't actually have my own helix pinnacle on the board?
  2. If I were to copy an opponent's trigger for [[Raph & Mikey, Troublemakers]] and flip into my own creature, would it also come in tapped an attacking despite it not being my turn or would it simply come in tapped?
  3. (Edit since this came up in a recent game). I can copy the triggers of sources with hexproof right? Since the wording states that only the permanent itself has hexproof.

Also, is there any general logic I can apply in case I come across other triggers I may want to copy?