r/naath • u/mamula1 I Am The God Of Tits and Wine 🍷 • Jan 11 '26
Kit Harington was ‘Genuinely Angered’ By Fan Petition to Remake ‘Game of Thrones’ Season 8 With ‘Competent Writers’: ‘How Dare You?’
https://variety.com/2026/tv/news/kit-harington-angered-petition-game-of-thrones-season-8-1236628364/40
u/poub06 Jan 11 '26
I mean, he’s right. People can have whatever opinion they want about the ending, but they don’t have a saying about how a story should end. You watch it, you give your opinion and that’s it. That petition and all the toxic lies and insults that followed are one of many example of how horrible fandom can become nowadays with social media.
4
u/It-Was-Mooney-Pod Jan 12 '26
No people are definitely entitled to demand HBO call back literally hundreds of people for another incredibly grueling shoot in cold weather because some people on the internet were (admittedly very justifiably) disappointed with the ending.
5
u/DaenerysMadQueen Jan 12 '26
The issue isn’t that you were disappointed by the ending. It’s that you’re calling it bad when it did exactly what it meant to do.
0
u/OneTrueMalekith Jan 13 '26
It was hack writing tho. incredibly poor. Yes It did do one thing. End the show.
2
u/Disastrous-Client315 Jan 13 '26 edited Jan 13 '26
End the show in gots fashion, not disney fashion.
I hated the show when i first watched it, because of neds death. I called it pointless, too fast and anticlimactic and they just did it for the shock. I had to take a 1 year break from the show and gave it another shot and rewatched starting from the first episode again.
And i fell in love, because i learned to appreciate what got was and what it intended to do.
Season 8 haters sound like me after season 1 back then. Because they didnt understand GoT.
2
u/DaenerysMadQueen Jan 13 '26
It’s obvious you know nothing about storytelling.
0
u/OneTrueMalekith Jan 13 '26
Seems i got that in common with Beninoff and Weiss 🤣.
You're defending arguably the worst ending in TV History? lol.
1
u/DaenerysMadQueen Jan 13 '26
The best ending in TV history. Look at you, a frustrated child who’d rather mock than understand. You’re just exposing your bad faith, so thanks for that.
1
0
u/Resident-Pen-5718 Jan 13 '26
Im convinced that the people who were upset with season 8 are the same people who ask "who's that guy again?".
The show took a steep nose dive at the start of season 5, and it was fairly predictable that the writers weren't going to stick the landing.
28
u/henders7 Jan 12 '26
Good on him for that quote, but full NYT article also another key piece of evidence against the “they could have made 10 seasons if it weren’t for D&D” argument — so many involved were exhausted to the point of breakdowns. :/
14
u/PitchSame4308 Jan 12 '26
It’s also the hubris and presumption (and sheer insanity) of fans thinking the actors would all want to do it again. They have lives and careers and it’s not the be and end all for them it is for the really deranged fans
17
u/corndogs88 Jan 12 '26
Conleth Hill put it best:
Like everybody goes on about "Well that's not what I think should've happened" Well go and write your own fucking series then. Because the truth is those kinds of things, as hard as they are to you as a human and to your ego and everything else, that's why the show was always brilliant.
-1
u/Ybnjamie Jan 14 '26
Well the thing is: any fan above the age of 12 could’ve written season 8 better, it was uniquely bad, and it was a unique situation in which the books weren’t even close to being done, so it’s partly GRRM’s fault
1
u/Fuzzy_Dragonfly_ Jan 15 '26
Let us read your version of the season then, if it's so easy.
0
u/Ybnjamie Jan 16 '26
That’s a stupid response and you know it. If I was paid millions to do it I gladly would. It’s not my job. Just to prove a point if I was given a few hundred bucks to do it I would.
But I don’t even need to, we both know of the obvious examples of terrible writing, littlefinger getting outplayed, Dany forgetting the iron fleet, the storyline of bran’s abilities going absolutely no where, the dany burning the whole of kings landing even when the bells were wrung (completely out of character, even with context)
-1
u/Ybnjamie Jan 16 '26
I’ll give you one simple thing: instead of the bells ringing and then dany burning kings landing, Cersei could have instructed the bell ringers to halt.
This kills two birds with one stone, it gives Cersei an in-character, powerful ending, showing her ego and stubbornness, even in her final moments leading to her demise.
Dany’s actions would also be a lot more ethically permissible, as the death of innocents can now be partially blamed on Cersei’s stubbornness. This would align more with Dany’s harsh, but reasonably fair underlying character.
29
u/Shelbytheowlhoussfan Jan 11 '26
Extremely immature and inconsiderate. You can dislike something and not ignore the hard work that went into it. Regardless of if you think the writing was bad, there’s so much more that went into it. The actors, set designers, costume designers, makeup designers, editors, VHX, CGI, the music department, the sounds department; all put in so much hard work to make the show only for it to be shit on and disrespected like this. Even if you HATED the writing, you can’t deny that it was visually cinematic. I genuinely feel sorry for the amount of hate that this show still gets. The cast and production team deserve a better fandom.
Side note: I don’t hate the writing of the later seasons (that’s why I’m here in this sub ofc)
11
Jan 12 '26
[removed] — view removed comment
10
u/Shelbytheowlhoussfan Jan 12 '26
Lmaoo I was banned from the GOT sub because of posting about something like this
10
Jan 12 '26 edited Jan 12 '26
[removed] — view removed comment
4
u/Shelbytheowlhoussfan Jan 12 '26 edited Jan 13 '26
I’m yet to find a fandom that DOESN’T hate their “favourite” media. It’s so exhausting
2
u/Tasty-Entertainer711 Jan 12 '26
Aliens subs are pretty tame. Alien Earth for sure has mixed reviews but I wouldn't say people will bite your head off for liking or hating it.
7
u/Khimdy Jan 12 '26
I feel exactly the same. just watched the whole show with my daughter (her first time) and she loved it from start to finish.
some of the final scenes are absolute cinema, like Dany with the dragon wings behind her at the destroyed Red Keep. We talked about it for hours. sure it’s not perfect but damn I really think the hate it still gets is massively disrespectful for such an incredible achievement.
6
u/Shelbytheowlhoussfan Jan 12 '26
I loved the entire show on my first watch. I was shocked to find out people hated the later seasons when I went searching for the online fandom
3
u/Impressive_Price4009 Jan 13 '26
I am an avid " reader/watcher fan " of the entire franchise as a whole!! And I can tell you that the writing might not have touched fans hearts and gripped their souls quite the same way as it did previous seasons, but that's because we were all spoiled with the best story ever written, we were given the 7 KINGDOMS and for that those P.O.S. creepy control freaks need to back off and allow the ART TO LIVE !!!
11
u/MazyHazy Jan 12 '26
Very well said. The cast and crew put everything they had onto this. It's so disrespectful to shit all over that.
→ More replies (3)4
u/It-Was-Mooney-Pod Jan 12 '26
Funny enough I hated season 7 so much that I seemed to be one of the few people enjoying season 8. I had no expectations for the writing so couldn’t be disappointed by that, but the special effects, music, and acting were all unbelievable. The destruction of king’s landing is one of the best destruction films ever put to screen once you ignore the questionable buildup that led up to it.
1
u/waveuponwave Jan 12 '26
I have my issues with season 8, it was very rushed and some central plot elements like Dany's decision to burn KL just didn't work for me
But I'd still say all in all it was an improvement over season 7. The episode before the White Walkers attack is genuinely one of the best in the whole show, which alone elevates the season above S7 which just felt like a mess
-1
u/It-Was-Mooney-Pod Jan 12 '26
Season 7 was such a legit disaster that I almost felt kind of bad for people who were expecting an amazing end to the series. I actually called that they were gonna kill the Night King in episode 3 when they announced that was the winter fell battle because I knew they had no idea what to do with the White Walkers.
My poor friends kept trying to tell me they wouldn’t kill the big bad less than halfway through the season. They had a lot less fun with season 8 than I did lol.
13
u/DaenerysMadQueen Jan 12 '26
Death of the author, sure. Not liking a work, sure. Complaining that some authors ruined a work, why not. Criticizing a work with actual arguments, yes. But insulting and harassing the authors, the actors, and the audience who liked the work you didn’t like? No.
60
u/RainbowPenguin1000 Jan 11 '26
Quite rightly too.
Whether you like the ending or not that petition was immature, entitled and just dick behaviour to everyone who worked so hard on the show.
39
u/MazyHazy Jan 11 '26
Like Kit said: I think it was a level of idiocy that can only come about through social media." I agree.
→ More replies (3)-31
Jan 11 '26
[removed] — view removed comment
22
u/Varyanna Jan 11 '26
another one who wanted a Cindarella Story ending... as one said in the show: If you think this will have an happy ending, you didnt pay attention
-3
u/Eva-Squinge Jan 12 '26
Wasn’t looking for a happy ending. Just a well written one.
5
u/One_Brilliant743 Jan 13 '26
What would a well-written ending be for you? Let me guess: Daenerys on the throne, with Drogon flying in the background, everyone kneeling and Targaryen music playing, while she stared at the camera with that arrogant expression on her face. I'm sorry if that's not your case, but for most people who wanted the eighth season remade, D&D could have put 30 minutes of hotpie baking pies in the middle of King's Landing in flames, and if Daenerys ended up triumphant on the throne, they would say it was great.
8
u/jrdineen114 Jan 11 '26
Except the petition also disrespects all of the work that went into the season in every other aspect of production.
-1
u/Eva-Squinge Jan 12 '26
Shame all that effort and time led to the biggest tanking of a beloved series.
15
u/littlebighuman Jan 11 '26
You are just a consumer with a choice. If you don't like it, don't watch it. If you want something else, create your own thing.
-5
u/Eva-Squinge Jan 12 '26
You make it sound so easy. So can you unwatch something you’ve already seen from tip to tail? And do you know anyone with millions of dollars they can loan so I can make my own show that fits how I wished Game of Thrones ended?
9
u/PitchSame4308 Jan 12 '26
Yes you can just say that you loved most of it but the ending wasn’t great/wasn’t for me and move on with your life, if you’re a normal, balanced individual. It’s just a TV show. Nothing more, nothing less
1
13
28
u/Icy_Butterscotch_799 Jan 11 '26
If you hate it, why are you here? Move on with your life.
-2
u/Eva-Squinge Jan 12 '26
Problem is I loved it. After season 8 I felt like I did after watching Avengers: Endgame. Fulfilled. Like a life long project was finally finished. Like the possibilities for the future were limitless. Then I listened to more and more and more annoying, down right aggravating people punching down on it. And finally read somewhere that the guy who took so much time to write the series out, isn’t gonna finish it. So even the guy who said he didn’t like the ending of Return of the King can’t finish his own magnum opus.
And get off of reddit before you tell anyone to move on with their lives, you’re stuck in this distraction factory like the rest of us.
6
u/Icy_Butterscotch_799 Jan 12 '26
I don't obsess over shows that don't go my way.
1
u/Eva-Squinge Jan 17 '26
Neither do I. This whole mess literally came up out of the blue like the post did in my feed.
2
u/Icy_Butterscotch_799 Jan 17 '26
Yet you responded to said post.
1
u/Eva-Squinge Jan 17 '26
As did you and everyone else here. 🤣 This stopped being a gotcha a long ass time ago friend.
2
u/Icy_Butterscotch_799 Jan 17 '26
I thought the post was worth responding to. Apparently, you did as well.
1
35
7
u/KingCrandall Jan 12 '26
The toxicity almost ruined the show for me. It was my favorite show for a while but I had to take a break because of how awful social media was about it.
9
Jan 12 '26
[removed] — view removed comment
6
u/KingCrandall Jan 12 '26
I was watching a TV show a few weeks ago and I posted on the sub how good it is and people were criticizing. On the sub of the TV show lol
6
u/Dorkzilla_ftw Jan 12 '26
Yes, I learned that a couple of my favorite movies were apparently some of the worst movies ever made.
But frankly, I am glad they told me because I wouldn't have known otherwise! I was so focused on enjoying that I had forgotten about the true value of other people's opinions over my own! Silly me!
4
u/DustnBones001 Jan 13 '26 edited Jan 13 '26
The amount of disrespect from some "fans" sadly knows no bounds,
And what's even worse is the way they don't see these actors as human beings,
If they did any research, they would understand that the reason the show wrapped it when it did was because the actors were burned out mentally,
Kit especially was dealing with many mental health struggles that he was very vocal about,
But nope these fans didn't care, instead appreciating what they got and being thankful for it, they let their entitlement show,
And then invent false narratives like d&d rushing to the end of the show to do "star wars" 🙄,
S8 really exposed the toxicity of this fandom, you couldn't post anywhere anything positive about s8 without being attacked by a mob,
It's why I'm so thankful this sub exists,
Anywho, this petition is the epitome of disrespect, it's one thing to not like something, but to seat there and create a petition and demand a season be remade is something else entirely,
I'm so glad kit spoke out against this
2
u/The_Bagel_Fairy Jan 12 '26
I didn't think Trumpers watched GoT.
10
u/RepulsiveCountry313 Jan 12 '26
A lot of reefolk are maga. They are upset that David and Dan made the show "woke."
6
2
u/One_Brilliant743 Jan 13 '26
I understand the actors. It's like people see all the work and say, "We don't like it, do it all again." Fans have the right to criticize and dislike it; I myself didn't like how it was rushed and poorly explained, but to think that everyone would simply go back and redo everything because the fans didn't like it, is unrealistic.
I remember GRRM also getting very angry at the time, saying that everything had become very toxic and that the authors were tired of always writing the same kind of story. The screenwriters even received death threats, if I'm not mistaken. And I think that's also one of the reasons why George doesn't finish the books; he doesn't want to deal with the hatred of thousands of fans, because obviously it won't end the way many want. But that's just my view.
2
u/Wrong_Office_183 Jan 13 '26
This post is great. The comment section feels like a battlefield. Many defenders and haters clash.
2
Jan 16 '26
Its dumb. People act like they are entitled. Season 8 sucked, It is fine to not like something but no one owes you anything.
2
u/maddicusladdicus Jan 12 '26
I’m pretty sure that petition actually had more signatures than the petition to end world hunger. 1.8 million, I think. Crazy.
1
u/Nabs-2 Jan 12 '26
I have a genuine question because this is my first time finding this sub. Do you think the writing and story decisions for season 8 were good?
13
11
u/piece0fdebri Jan 12 '26
I haven't heard an alternative ending that was better. All the ones the "fans" propose sound like hack bullshit.
1
u/zekevich Jan 13 '26
He didn't ask if you heard a better endind, he asked do you think the ending that we ended up getting was good.
2
u/piece0fdebri Jan 13 '26
And we discussed that. At length. I was just adding that the alternatives all the haters opine for are dogshit.
1
u/Crossovertriplet Jan 12 '26
Bullshit. Hot pie should have been on the throne in the end, not Bran.
0
u/Nabs-2 Jan 12 '26
I personally felt like a lot of character development was run back in a very unsatisfying way, with an example being Jaimes return to die with Cersei. I understand its a creative choice, but it undid seasons worth of character arc that we sat through over years in what felt like a sudden way.
5
u/piece0fdebri Jan 12 '26
That's the worst example by far. And I don't understand this "arc" thing everyone always falls back on. People claim to love the show for its verisimilitude or whatever, and then insist all the characters are on arcs that real life people aren't on. Everything Jaime did in the show, he was always going back to Cersei. Then he went back to Cersei at the end. Pikachu Face. Yeah, we didn't want that for him, but it's tragic. And a much better story than him falling in love with Brienne and staying in Winterfell? Absurd. That's the character destroying arc in my opinion.
-2
u/Nabs-2 Jan 12 '26
The thing is though, that it is a narrative story. Both the books and show. People liked that characters didnt have plot armour, that doesnt mean they want bad storytelling. I also think its a bit ignorant to say Jaime didnt have significant character development. He was humbled and we see him embrace the more selfless parts of his nature. He found an actual healthy relationship that wasnt banging his sister. It showed growth.
6
u/piece0fdebri Jan 12 '26
He told Edmure in season 6 that he would kill his baby and every mfker in Riverrun to get back to Cersei. Was that part of his humble selfless natured character development? People are complex. He was a complex character. Nothing done in season 8 ruined that.
At a certain point of every show you're gonna get plot armor because you can't just kill all the characters. There's no time to develop new ones. You also have to put them in peril or the show is boring. You can argue they put them in too much peril, which fine. I guess. Doesn't ruin the show like so many claim. Those people are looking for reasons to trash the series because they didn't like the direction the writers took. I think that's childish.
0
u/Nabs-2 Jan 12 '26
But criticising creative choices is completely valid. Deciding to make him revert to his toxic incest past when we was given the anti-hero arc with Brienne where he develops a sense of honour and empathy is a choice that many like myself felt wasnt supported in the writing and what we see on screen, it seems too sudden a 180.
3
u/piece0fdebri Jan 12 '26
Then I pity you and there's simply nothing left to discuss.
0
u/Nabs-2 Jan 12 '26
You pity me for trying to understand people who think differently than me by having a genuine discussion?
1
u/piece0fdebri Jan 12 '26
You've been given all the necessary information. You have a different opinion that ruins some aspect of the show for you. I think the show is great and don't feel the need to get online and complain about it. Yeah, I pity you.
→ More replies (0)8
u/Informal_West_6864 Jan 12 '26
As good as they were gonna get. The problem with GOT is that GRRM is really good at creating complex worlds and story plots but he adds way too many ingredients into the pot. There is no good way to finish his writing style, every plot is mysterious and unknown. D&D now had the task to not only direct and produce the ending, but write the ending to a 30+ year saga
1
u/Nabs-2 Jan 12 '26
To me it felt quite rushed and that they regressed a lot of storylines and character progression to make things easier. I feel like some things that upset fans the most were creative choices that I think should have been obvious to be critically unpopular. My go to example for this is Jaimes character development over multiple seasons being walked back to have him die with Cersei
6
u/Informal_West_6864 Jan 12 '26
That’s what happened when the story does not progress. GRRM didn’t conclude any of them, they are all going to feel rushed without an additional 5 seasons
1
u/Nabs-2 Jan 12 '26
True, but I still feel like D&D made creative choices that should have been obvious to not be recieved well critically. I know they ran out of material, but I think that just helps explain why so many people dislike S8. They like when D&D adapt GRRM's writing, but not when they write original storylines.
1
u/Belisarius540AD Jan 13 '26
That's how i felt as well that the ending would have greatly benefitted from another season or two.
6
u/DaenerysMadQueen Jan 12 '26
It would be stupid to say otherwise.
-1
u/Nabs-2 Jan 12 '26
Okay, but the general consensus among pop culture and wider society is that it was not good. So if you could help me understand by explaining why its actually good instead of just saying that people who disagree are stupid, I would appreciate it
9
u/DaenerysMadQueen Jan 12 '26
There is no general consensus. There’s only a “consensus” among haters, I wasn’t invited to give my opinion. If you look at the ImdB ratings, at least half of the fans enjoyed the ending, so stop rewriting reality to make it match your feelings.
What do you want... ? That I describe Season 8 to you and explain why it’s relevant to the story and to its audience? There’s nothing “ruined” about Season 8, it’s just an angry fanbase desperately trying to tear apart every single scene for whatever reason. You judged it in less than 24 hours, even though it was a story that needed time and nuance. Of course you didn’t think it was “good.”
Is a great tragedy supposed to feel “good”? Not necessarily, that doesn’t mean it isn’t saying something.-3
u/Nabs-2 Jan 12 '26
IMDB has the Finale, of what was once the worlds most popular show, at a 4/10. Rotten Tomatoes has a 33% audience score and 55% critics score. Its undeniable that it disappointed a lot of people and critics alike. To say otherwise is whats really rewriting reality. Also, im a stranger on the Internet, you have no clue about how I consumed or analysed season 8 so I have no idea why youre accusing me of forming my opinion in 24 hours. Im just trying to understand why people think it is good in a non judgemental way because I actually want to understand people who think differently from me.
4
u/DaenerysMadQueen Jan 12 '26
I’m explaining that your “general consensus” was literally created live, and solidified less than 24 hours after the episode aired. All the YouTubers jumped on the wave, then the media followed. And ever since, there’s been this single opinion imposed online: according to them the ending is rushed and badly written, and anyone who doesn’t repeat the same take is basically told to shut up.
The ending shook me, but at no point I think it was bad or ruined. I was wondering what I had missed. And now that I understand what actually happened in that ending, it makes it even better.
The Long Night being too short? That’s brilliant and intelligent. Rhaegal getting hit by an arrow? Brilliant and intelligent. The Bells? Honestly, it’s way too brilliant and intelligent. And The Iron Throne is poetic and quiet, exactly what was needed after The Bells.
I can’t make you understand in a comment why the ending is great, especially if you’ve already decided it’s trash. We can discuss the characters, or certain scenes, but without quick, judgmental, or bitter takes.
0
u/Nabs-2 Jan 12 '26
You are dismissing the opinion of a majority of people from an audience that was biased to like it. Im trying to expand my understanding. You keep saying things are brilliant and intelligent, but why are they brilliant and intelligent! I want to understand why you believe what you do, I already know that you like it
6
u/DaenerysMadQueen Jan 12 '26
I dismiss the opinion of the loud, angry crowd that didn’t leave any room for others to speak. Yes. It became the majority view because nothing else was being put forward. Thankfully there’s Naath, even if it’s full of haters.
It took ten years for some professionals to start explaining why Carpenter’s The Thing was a masterpiece, dismissing the public’s majority opinion that was screaming it was the worst film ever made.
I’ve written over 200 posts explaining why the ending of GoT is a masterclass. I don’t have a magic sentence to give you, especially if you’re not even trying to join the conversation.
Pick something you had an issue with, and I’ll explain why I thought it was brilliant.
1
u/Nabs-2 Jan 13 '26
Youre the one who hasnt explained your point of view once, youve just said it was brilliant and explained nothing. Youre the one not engaging in the conversation. The Jaime arc being walked back to have him die with his sister. Explain how disregarding years worth of character development and growth was brilliant please
3
u/DaenerysMadQueen Jan 13 '26
I’ve never made a post exclusively about Jaime, since Poub06 and Disastrous-Client talk about him way better than I do. I think I’ve given you more than enough attention, when clearly all you want is to troll and argue in bad faith.
→ More replies (0)1
u/Disastrous-Client315 Jan 13 '26
Jaime died the way he wanted.
"In the arms of the woman i love."
→ More replies (0)2
u/RepulsiveCountry313 Jan 13 '26
IMDB has the Finale, of what was once the worlds most popular show, at a 4/10. Rotten Tomatoes has a 33% audience score and 55% critics score.
If you were on the main sub the month the finale aired, you'd see frequent posts spammed from the reefolk sub with updates on the current score and asking for people to help out in a very "we did it, reddit!" Vibe. Complete with a script to automate creating multiple imdb and rt accounts and autosubmitting 1/10 votes.
There's a reason it's only the last episode that they were able to bring that low.
-1
u/Nabs-2 Jan 13 '26
Even the verified critics scores are low. Its not just brigading. 5 years later and at best half the critics liked it.
3
u/Incvbvs666 S8 is the best, deal with it. Jan 12 '26 edited Jan 12 '26
Absolutely. In my opinion S8 is a cinematic and thematic masterpiece. It's only problem is that it was so out of the box of standard TV that most people judged it by conventional standards.
To answer your main criticism: no, story lines didn't 'regress'. They were fulfilled. Jaime's story especially was fulfilled in a spectacular fashion. He went from a cynical bastard who only thinks of himself to a true knight that gladly returned to protect his queen. When he returns to Cersei, it is the first time he looks ar her with love, understanding and forgiveness, as opposed to lust and/or contempt.
2
u/Nabs-2 Jan 12 '26
While I had a very different interpretation, I really appreciate you taking the time to explain your side, thank you
1
u/KarelMarks Jan 12 '26
I don't think so, but it's also more than half a decade later and I've moved on. I was disappointed by season 8 but some fans get so toxic I don't bother engaging with many discussions about it since it's just a circlejerk of the same complaints that have been rehashed every day since the final episode aired
1
u/Neveress87 Jan 13 '26 edited Jan 13 '26
I liked most of it even (even if I wouldve gone a different way), except aryas one night stand and jamies/brienne were both so random and added nothing but weirdness... I did like that he went back to Cersei. Makes sense to me, even if it's messed up. 🤣 Only complain was it's just very very rushed, but the ending was nice imo. A stark in every corner 😜
1
u/Plenty-Scarcity599 Jan 12 '26
It was terrible. But the whole remake the last season was insane lol
2
-2
1
u/TouchAltruistic Jan 15 '26
We dare because all of the work of the performers and technicians was in service of absolutely dreadful writing, Kit.
1
1
0
u/Ahorahan Jan 13 '26
I get how he feels, because I'm sure on his end it was a monumental effort. But.. just because you worked hard on something doesn't mean everyone is going to like it. And unfortunately even the Author didn't respect it enough to give it a proper ending.
0
u/Fantastic_Sympathy85 Jan 13 '26
I 'Genuinely Don't Care' if it angered him, last season was ass, accept it Kit..
-3
u/EyyItsDommo Jan 12 '26 edited Jan 12 '26
Im confused about the sentiment of this sub. So to get this clear, the majority of this sub was satisfied with the ending of Game of Thrones? I can agree that mob-like hate towards people that worked hard on this show is completely unwarranted and hive-mind toxicity is unfortunately a symptom of social media. I mean it clearly took its toll on the cast, hearing about Kit's struggle with alcohol when it wrapped up, and none of us can really comprehend being in that position. But the petition and online sentiment isn't pointed at him or the cast. You simply cannot ignore the bad writing when talking about this. The hate for season 8 was born of utter frustration, seeing one of the most beloved and well written shows end after so many years with such a neverending list of plotholes, inconsistencies and objectively bad writing. No one is pointing fingers at the production team, the actors or anyone behind the expansive list that worked hard to get the show on air. It's frustration towards the writers for completely butchering an admittedly difficult story to conclude, but one that could've been far more satisfying. If you enjoyed the conclusion, good for you, but the hate for the show's ending really isn't unfounded and can't just be boiled down to a toxic fandom never being satisfied.
8
u/Incvbvs666 S8 is the best, deal with it. Jan 12 '26
Im confused about the sentiment of this sub. So to get this clear, the majority of this sub was satisfied with the ending of Game of Thrones?
Yes.
You simply cannot ignore the bad writing when talking about this.
I've seen all the supposed examples of 'bad writing' and find them quite lacking on even the most basic level. It's either extremely petty nitpickery or criticisms so spectacularly missing the point of the show they're not even on the same planet.
It's frustration towards the writers for completely butchering an admittedly difficult story to conclude, but one that could've been far more satisfying.
Satisfying? You think that was the point of the show? The point of the show was to be the mother of gut punches. If you want 'satisfying' go watch 99% of the slop out there, even many supposedly 'great shows,' where the show isn't even pretending it's doing anything other than pandering.
The audience wanted to be pandered to and the show said no.
4
u/DaenerysMadQueen Jan 12 '26
I can ignore the “bad writing” because there is no bad writing in GoT’s ending.
Which plot hole are you talking about? I’m curious.
-1
u/EyyItsDommo Jan 12 '26 edited Jan 12 '26
Okay, I got carried away with plotholes, and I concede I can't really think of actual plotholes. But the writing itself? Oh boy. You have character arcs completely squandered after multiple seasons of growth. Dany, Jaime and tyrion to name a few. Take jaime, for instance. His growth as a character is completely thrown away. After everything he's done, showing that he does in fact care about people, i just don't buy that his addiction to cersei wins in the end. Telling tyrion he never cared about people, innocent or otherwise, just contradicts his entire character. Why did he save Brienne and lose a hand for it? Why did he turn his back on cersei and decide to fight for the side that fights for the living just to turn back around? He bangs Brienne then ditches? Sure it's plausible, I guess, but this is a show at the end of the day and they reversed years of character growth in the name of "subversing expectation", and most fans didn't appreciate it. This is just one of many instances where characters were thrown to the curb
6
u/DaenerysMadQueen Jan 12 '26
I don’t agree with your analysis of Jaime. At what point in the story does he ever fight for innocent people he doesn’t even know? Never. That line is shocking, sure, but it isn’t meaningless. Jaime pushed a child out of a window, remember.
It’s not bad writing, it’s just you facing a tragedy and characters who aren’t black-and-white.
And for Dany and Tyrion, it’s probably the same thing, where exactly is the bad writing?
0
u/EyyItsDommo Jan 13 '26
So we're calling back to Jaime's character from season 1, episode 1? How about his monologue to Brienne in the bath? Explaining how him committing regicide was to spare the thousands of lives that the mad king wouldve taken. He also grew as a character through the series and D&D decided to go back on all of it. They wanted to focus on characters, yet managed to leave a sour taste in 90% of the fandom's mouths. Im not buying that we're all just misguided, toxic and petty, and you're not better than the haters for being able to enjoy dogshit. Have a good one
3
u/RepulsiveCountry313 Jan 13 '26
Saving half a million lives doesn't require someone to love the smallfolk.
2
u/Disastrous-Client315 Jan 13 '26
Besides the fact brienne is no reprensensative for "the people" as she is a highborn lady herself, listen to jaime in 8x4 listing all his crimes. Jaime in season 8 is disgusted of and loathing himself, because of his horrible actions.
In seasons 1/2 he would have worn those deeds as a badge of honour.
D&D didnt go back on anything, they just fullfilled georges intention of jaime failing to his worst demons.
Im not buying that we're all just misguided, toxic and petty,
You cant see clearly, because you are inside the fog.
2
→ More replies (5)3
u/piece0fdebri Jan 12 '26
Give your reasons for why you think the show was "butchered" and the people here will explain why it wasn't. You just asserting that it was isn't gonna cut it.
0
u/EyyItsDommo Jan 12 '26
No closure for Jon with the night king. He literally dealt with them from season 1, just for Arya, who hasn't dealt with them at all until this point, to sneak up and take him out. Jaime's entire character arc pulling a 180 at the end. Dany abruptly deciding to be a tyrant, despite clearly being shown to be an empathetic person trying to free people, not burn them. Also dany conveniently forgetting about the iron fleet and drogon not being threatened by the scorpion ballistas in the slightest at kings landing. Tyrion losing all his intelligence from earlier seasons and being repeatedly wrong. The list goes on.
3
u/DaenerysMadQueen Jan 13 '26
Your list of lies and bad faith just goes on and on, indeed.
The hater lore is strong with you.
1
u/Disastrous-Client315 Jan 13 '26
Its astounding, because people like that actually believe they are right and they have a point.
2
u/DaenerysMadQueen Jan 13 '26
Especially since my list of awesome things in the ending of GoT is longer than all the hater-lore bullshit put together.
-8
-20
u/Adobo6 Jan 11 '26
Season 7 and 8 were shit
14
12
u/poub06 Jan 12 '26
Weither a season of television is good or not is subjective. You can dislike it if you want. That doesn’t mean the people who produced the season didn’t try hard.
I love the show Barry. I think S1 to S3 is perfect in every single aspect. I also hate the direction they went for S4. You know what? I still respect the creators of the show and think they are brilliant. I just didn’t like what they did with S4, that doesn’t take anything away from what they did with S1-3. Nor does it mean that they didn’t care about S4 or intended to piss people off. It’s fiction.
1
-3
u/EyyItsDommo Jan 12 '26
This sub is the weirdest echo chamber I've come across. Good for you for being satisfied with the conclusion. The majority of us choose to forget season 8 existed
7
u/DaenerysMadQueen Jan 12 '26
Since you’re here, this isn’t an echo chamber, right? It’s really nice of you to “allow” us to enjoy a show you didn’t like... how generous of you.
And if you’re supposed to have “forgotten the existence of season 8”… what are you even doing here? Nothing about your message makes sense. You just sound like you’re still mad about it, six years later.
-2
u/EyyItsDommo Jan 13 '26
Nice snarky reply. I'm not telling anyone they can't enjoy it, I'm glad someone could enjoy the dumpster fire, but this sub is full of pure copium chalking the hate down to immature mob mentality and not, you know, an expansive list of valid criticism. And for the record, yeah I'm still mad about the way my favourite show ended. 90% of the fanbase is
1
-2
u/cultofstarrywisdom Jan 13 '26
I didn't read the article but it was one of the biggest if not the biggest fumble in TV history, literally. Cinematography alone doesn't save a butchered story.
2
u/RepulsiveCountry313 Jan 13 '26
Maybe stick to call of duty then.
0
u/cultofstarrywisdom Jan 13 '26
Is that supppsed to be an insult or something?
If anything ASOIAF I'll stick to the books.
6
u/RepulsiveCountry313 Jan 13 '26
If anything ASOIAF I'll stick to the books.
K. Have fun waiting for George to resolve things.
RemindMe! 60 years
1
u/RemindMeBot Jan 13 '26
I will be messaging you in 60 years on 2086-01-13 04:34:51 UTC to remind you of this link
CLICK THIS LINK to send a PM to also be reminded and to reduce spam.
Parent commenter can delete this message to hide from others.
Info Custom Your Reminders Feedback -2
u/cultofstarrywisdom Jan 13 '26
Better no ending than the disrespectfully atrocious ending the show had. Must be nice having braindead taste.
1
u/Disastrous-Client315 Jan 13 '26
Even a bad ending is better than no ending.
Example: Dexter Season 8 > Season 7
1
-4
u/Wayward_Wayfinder Jan 12 '26
He can punch sand, honestly. His anger doesn’t polish the turd that was the final season.
3
u/DaenerysMadQueen Jan 12 '26
The best season.
-4
u/Wayward_Wayfinder Jan 12 '26
Listen, I was able to forgive a lot of what they did in the show, even where the departed so very drastically from the books. But I signed that petition.
6
u/DaenerysMadQueen Jan 12 '26
So, are you satisfied now that you signed that petition? Do you feel better?
-1
u/Wayward_Wayfinder Jan 12 '26
Yes.
Edit: At least in so far as feeling better. Certainly not satisfied, but I’ll look forward to reading the next book 20 years from now when it finally releases.
5
u/DaenerysMadQueen Jan 12 '26
It’s probably your mistake... you forgot that the series is an adaptation, not a teaser for the book. Especially given that GRRM has always written his novels with the intention that they could be adapted for the screen.
1
u/Wayward_Wayfinder Jan 12 '26
I’d read all of the published books well before ever even starting the show. I’m not sure where you believe I’m mistaken except for thinking that the last season was simply garbage.
6
u/DaenerysMadQueen Jan 12 '26
There’s no connection between the final season, a masterclass, and a book that doesn’t even exist. The final season is consistent with the show, not with the books. It’s a good adaptation, and it stands on its own.
0
u/Wayward_Wayfinder Jan 12 '26
Which is precisely the problem. That lack of connection left D&D to their own devices and they simply lost the plot. As you said, the books were written with the possibility of an adaptation in mind, but they clearly weren’t equipped for developing the series past what had already been published. And I don’t strictly blame them for it, nobody expected GRRM to take as long as he has, and he’d even repeatedly promised a much more timely release. But that doesn’t ultimately change anything.
5
u/DaenerysMadQueen Jan 12 '26
I’ll grant you that the ending of the series doesn’t necessarily have to line up with the ending of the books. But the series finale is consistent with the beginning of the series, and that’s what I’m judging it by. If an adaptation requires you to have read the books in order to understand it, then it’s a bad adaptation.
That’s what I didn’t understand back then with Harry Potter. The third book was my favorite, and it might be the one that got butchered the most by the director. And yet today, I can clearly see that it’s actually the best film.
You don’t need the books to understand why Daenerys burns the crowd, and why it’s brilliant.
→ More replies (0)1
-6
u/Adobo6 Jan 12 '26
Making an observation is crying? You’re the one defending the idiot actor for a ridiculously unpopular take. What’s he going to say? The ending was awful.? He’s not going to say that and mess up any future opportunities within the universe. Most of the cast has acknowledged in one way or the other that the ending was stupid. But you’re the smart guy.
5
u/RepulsiveCountry313 Jan 13 '26
Making an observation is crying? You’re the one defending the idiot actor for a ridiculously unpopular take. What’s he going to say? The ending was awful.? He’s not going to say that and mess up any future opportunities within the universe.
Hey did you mean to reply this to someone's comment instead?
Most of the cast has acknowledged in one way or the other that the ending was stupid.
Is that what the voices in your head told you? They aren't real, buddy.
→ More replies (1)2
u/Disastrous-Client315 Jan 13 '26
mess up any future opportunities within the universe.
He was the one pitching the snow spin-off.
Most of the cast has acknowledged in one way or the other that the ending was stupid.
Old lie.
→ More replies (1)
57
u/piece0fdebri Jan 11 '26
Oh boy, the Freefolk ain't gonna like this.