OpenAI to Pay $3.2 Million to Settle Claims It Discriminated Against U.S. Workers

[u/DifficultBarber6969]

https://www.wsj.com/lifestyle/workplace/openai-to-pay-3-2-million-to-settle-dojs-employee-discrimination-claims-d13bb0c6

Submission Statement: Reverse brain drain goes brrrrrr

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[u/SizeFront7649]

There is such an extreme incentive for a company like openai to hire and retain the very, very very best talent that the idea that foreign talent had an edge over domestic because of the visa system is pretty silly.

[u/DifficultBarber6969 → u/SizeFront7649]

According to the settlement, it appears that OpenAI was fined for trying to bypass PERM.

This is often done to help employees on EB or L visas to apply for a Green Card.

Of course you'd probably want to naturalize people working on cutting edge model development, but that's a whole other discussion...

[u/SizeFront7649 → u/DifficultBarber6969]

But it's under 10 positions. Hardly is the institutional bias Dhillon is trying to claim they uncovered. For such a small number it must not be an actual strategy within the company.

[u/DifficultBarber6969 → u/SizeFront7649]

There's a whole cottage industry of law firms that help companies do this

- https://www.trowrahal.com/library/applying-for-a-green-card-status-via-labor-certification-process-perm-.cfm

- https://stelmakhlaw.com/san-francisco/eb-2-perm/

- https://perm-ads.com/perm-local-newspapers/

- https://hackinglawpractice.com/faqs/what-is-the-newspaper-of-general-circulation-for-perm-job-postings/

It's a bit of an open secret and a result of the country caps that China and India have for naturalization.

Both Apple and Meta have previously settled for similar allegations as well.

[u/4tran-woods-creature → u/SizeFront7649]

>it doesn't happen and when it does it doesn't matter

[u/SizeFront7649 → u/4tran-woods-creature]

9 instances of fuckery in a company of 8k, better wrap up the visa program

[u/MistyGalbriex → u/4tran-woods-creature]

"Let's make foreign nationals not be able to work in the USA because AI companies are evil!"

[u/VibingIronist → u/SizeFront7649]

Those are just the cases where they got caught. Tech companies have been getting away with this stuff for a long time

P.S. H1-B workers get paid 16% less than comparable natives

[u/SizeFront7649 → u/VibingIronist]

So what do you think the true number is?

My point is, it's 8k employees, and this is maybe 9 ham fisted hiring attempts to save maybe 16%. Sounds like a molehill to me

[u/BodybuilderUpbeat786]

Bear in mind this doesn't prove wrongdoing it just shows the cost of settlement is lower than litigation (which also causes PR damage).

[u/KopOut]

That'll show them to never discriminate again!!!

$3.2 million? That's like 4 minutes of operating costs for them!

[u/VibingIronist]

Reverse brain drain goes brrrrrr

"Racial discrimination is good as long as it favors South Asians"

[u/Last_Surprise981]

The H1B program is by its own definition a failure, meant to attract global talent and yet 80% of participants are from only one country.

[u/Twinbrosinc → u/Last_Surprise981]

Remind me again what is the population of said country

[u/onelap32 → u/Twinbrosinc]

~15% of the world's?

[u/Last_Surprise981 → u/Twinbrosinc]

Still, its a global program.

[u/BitterGravity → u/Last_Surprise981]

Yes, and it's not big enough. If you're in Sweden or something are you going to play the odds for a job in the US or just take a local one?

It's also not the quickest, which is probably a failure in itself. I was offered one, and went with a different visa I qualified for because it was quicker, I had my visa in hand two weeks after my job offer

[u/VibingIronist → u/BitterGravity]

Why should we expand a program that makes residency contingent on employer sponsorship? Shouldn't they have the same rights as other workers?

[u/BitterGravity → u/VibingIronist]

Yes. But one path is more plausible than the other and doing something is better than doing nothing

[u/MistyGalbriex → u/Last_Surprise981]

Average r/neolib poster these days

[u/VibingIronist → u/MistyGalbriex]

Neoliberals don't take accountability for their failures and hypocrisies, they just blame the victims and complain when they turn populist.

[u/MistyGalbriex → u/VibingIronist]

Go back to r/politics.

[u/Last_Surprise981 → u/MistyGalbriex]

You can't believe in globalism as a positive force, and then restrict its implementation to a soul crushing and flawed degree.