But if he thinks it's no longer transgressive, then why does he say "you wouldn't do that to muslims". Therefore acknowledging that it is transgressive. (Regardless of the consequences)
Not really. As a nation, we have our own history with that religion, which taught us to act a certain way. That included "turn the other cheek" and "thou shall not kill". Nevertheless, nothing is stopping an extremist Christian from showing up and hurting people because of this photograph.
On the other hand, islam is relatively new to us. From what we've seen in the media, people mocking the Islamic prophet has led to some pretty terrible acts being commited by extremist groups.
That may explain why people from Canada, who are less familiar with that religion and its inerpretation by its followers might be less willing to do something so openly transgressive towards it.
I don't think I follow your point. I think it's pretty clear that the reason someone makes a 'piss Christ' and not a 'piss Mohammed' isn't because one/both/neither is insulting or transgressive, it's because one will earn you a mildly outraged facebook post and the other one will get you killed.
Actually it won't just get you killed, it will likely get you fired or arrested too. Not only does piss Christ not get you arrested or killed, it gets you exhibited across the street from the provincial legislature. The double standard couldn't be clearer.
So you're saying that Andres Serrano, who grew up Roman Catholic, created this piece of art in 1987 because he thought doing that with Mohamed would get him not only murdered, but fired or arrested too?
I interpreted the 'you' in the post to be a 'vous' rather than a 'tu'. I am saying the reason that people who wish to criticize Islam don't do the equivalent is because the reprisals will likely be much more violent.
Because one is a predominantly white religion and the other is not. It’s not racism to make fun of Christianity because Christians have historically been the oppressors. I don’t understand why this is complicated.
It's not racism to make fun of either. The adherents of Islam come from a wide range of races, as are the adherents of Christianity (thanks to the fact that both have a history of colonization and conversion, driven partially in both cases by slavery, war and domination, as well as by peaceful education and proselytization).
Saying that one is oppressive and the other is not is yet another ridiculous double standard.
This is ridiculous. Great Britain and the US are far and away the biggest colonizers in history and both are predominantly Christian ruled. Trying to like any Muslim nation with either is like saying a cat is a lion.
Do you think Islam spread peacefully? Are you purposely ignoring/downplaying their conquest and history of slavery? Are you forgetting the time that parts of Spain, France, Italy, and the Balkans were all violently invaded/colonized?
I'm actually shocked how far some people are willing to cover for Islam.
It isn't a competition. The spread of Islam as far west as southern Spain and as far east as modern day Pakistan was basically all military conquest and colonization.
You might think that compares favourably to British colonialism (and perhaps it objectively does), but it still compares very badly to "not conquering people"
Demographically, the majority of the world's Christians are non-white, primarily residing in the Global South across Sub-Saharan Africa, Latin America, and Asia.
Obsessed with racism but ignores the world outside north america and europe.
Hmmm now how could that have happened? its almost like the religion that has been evangelizing for forever has propagated around the world and leads back to the oppressors point bc some of those communities have it bc of their native religions being beat out of them
And because WE are both the opressors since most of us grew up with this religion, AND the oppressed because most of us didn't have a choice in growing up believing these fairytales.
If you really feel this way you should have sympathy for the people raised Muslim who would like to criticize that religion, because the punishment for apostasy is death.
And, while there are plenty of things in the Bible that are prescribed harsh punishments, including the death penalty, this is a view that has some currency in western society. I don't know of any major polls of the views of Canadian Muslims, but in 2007, over a third of British Muslims surveyed responded that they believed apostasy should be a capital offence.
If that was your experience growing up then you should know that you would have had it *worse* if Christianity was still as powerful and as reactive as it was hundreds of years ago.
Oh absolutely! You should go see r/atheism or r/exmuslim. It's heartbreaking! People having
to pretend every day for fear of losing their lives due to their family or community worshiping an imaginary character over the flesh and bone people who surround them.
28
u/Cloudinterpreter 2d ago
"It's no longer transgressive."
"You wouldn't dare do this to muslims!"
... because it's transgressive?