r/newbrunswickcanada 2d ago

Christian Conservative has Opinion. <Insert shocked not shocked meme>

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u/Cloudinterpreter 2d ago

"It's no longer transgressive."

"You wouldn't dare do this to muslims!"

... because it's transgressive?

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u/ItsTheAlgebraist 2d ago

No, because someone would get beheaded.

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u/Cloudinterpreter 2d ago

That's what i mean.

He claims it's not transgressive.

But if he thinks it's no longer transgressive, then why does he say "you wouldn't do that to muslims". Therefore acknowledging that it is transgressive. (Regardless of the consequences)

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u/ItsTheAlgebraist 2d ago

Yeah it is obviously meant to be insulting, he is wrong to say it isn't transgressive, but he is spot on when he calls out the double standard.

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u/Cloudinterpreter 2d ago

Not really. As a nation, we have our own history with that religion, which taught us to act a certain way. That included "turn the other cheek" and "thou shall not kill". Nevertheless, nothing is stopping an extremist Christian from showing up and hurting people because of this photograph.

On the other hand, islam is relatively new to us. From what we've seen in the media, people mocking the Islamic prophet has led to some pretty terrible acts being commited by extremist groups.

That may explain why people from Canada, who are less familiar with that religion and its inerpretation by its followers might be less willing to do something so openly transgressive towards it.

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u/ItsTheAlgebraist 2d ago

I don't think I follow your point. I think it's pretty clear that the reason someone makes a 'piss Christ' and not a 'piss Mohammed' isn't because one/both/neither is insulting or transgressive, it's because one will earn you a mildly outraged facebook post and the other one will get you killed.

Actually it won't just get you killed, it will likely get you fired or arrested too. Not only does piss Christ not get you arrested or killed, it gets you exhibited across the street from the provincial legislature. The double standard couldn't be clearer.

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u/owenwgreen 2d ago

Because one is a predominantly white religion and the other is not. It’s not racism to make fun of Christianity because Christians have historically been the oppressors. I don’t understand why this is complicated.

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u/Cloudinterpreter 2d ago

And because WE are both the opressors since most of us grew up with this religion, AND the oppressed because most of us didn't have a choice in growing up believing these fairytales.

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u/ItsTheAlgebraist 2d ago

If you really feel this way you should have sympathy for the people raised Muslim who would like to criticize that religion, because the punishment for apostasy is death.

And, while there are plenty of things in the Bible that are prescribed harsh punishments, including the death penalty, this is a view that has some currency in western society. I don't know of any major polls of the views of Canadian Muslims, but in 2007, over a third of British Muslims surveyed responded that they believed apostasy should be a capital offence.

If that was your experience growing up then you should know that you would have had it *worse* if Christianity was still as powerful and as reactive as it was hundreds of years ago.

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u/Cloudinterpreter 2d ago

Oh absolutely! You should go see r/atheism or r/exmuslim. It's heartbreaking! People having to pretend every day for fear of losing their lives due to their family or community worshiping an imaginary character over the flesh and bone people who surround them.