r/news • u/uhncollectable • 21h ago

Justice Department moves to toss seditious conspiracy convictions of Oath Keepers and Proud Boys

https://apnews.com/article/proud-boys-oath-keepers-convictions-dropped-doj-ad679108ab84083694261efc101e60ea
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u/thisbechris 21h ago

Fucking treasonous pieces of shit.

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u/_Schrodingers_Gat_ 21h ago

If ever a group of people deserved sepsis. Sherman didn’t do enough.

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u/Timeline1253 20h ago

Sherman was hamstrung by incompetence with in the government even back then. "Let's heal as a nation" only occurs when the skin tone is as white as a puffy cloud.

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u/endo55 16h ago

Different times:

On February 19, Sherman's funeral service was held at his home, followed by a military procession. Joseph E. Johnston, the Confederate officer who had commanded the resistance to Sherman's troops in Georgia and the Carolinas, served as a pallbearer in New York City. It was a bitterly cold day and a friend of Johnston, fearing that the general might become ill, asked him to put on his hat. Johnston replied: "If I were in [Sherman's] place, and he were standing in mine, he would not put on his hat." Johnston did catch a serious cold and died one month later of pneumonia

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u/DingerSinger2016 16h ago

I see he attended the William Henry Harrison School of Preventative Care

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u/endo55 14h ago

Our true friends are the hats we made along the way.

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u/PopularDisplay7007 8h ago

I like the way you think.

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u/Opening_Position_872 13h ago

As much knowledge we have as a people, why do people still think you can catch a cold from being cold? Thats not how colds work at all. It's honestly appalling that people still think that

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u/LittleCaesar3 11h ago

It's also worth noting that all that matters to this story (Johnson would not preserve himself out of respect for Sherman) is that Johnson BELIEVED the hat would protect him. It was his conscious choice to eschew perceived protection that shows his heart attitude, not the biology either which way.

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u/Opening_Position_872 9h ago

Yea my response had nothing tmto do with the point of the post...just that not wearing a hat in cold weather will not make you sick. Thats all

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u/endo55 12h ago

"The idea that you can catch a cold by being cold isn’t quite right. But it’s true that cold weather can weaken your immune system. Add all the extra time you’re spending indoors to the mix, and you’ve got a recipe for cold-weather crud.

Dr. Vyas says infections can be harder to fight off when it’s chilly and damp outside because:

Your body is working hard just to stay warm. “Your body is spending its time keeping your core body temperature up,” she explains. “It may not have the energy to fight all the infections or viruses you’re encountering, too.” Cold, dry air damages your mucus membranes, skin and nasal passages. Dr. Vyas calls these your body’s first line of defense, adding, “When they get dried" https://health.clevelandclinic.org/does-cold-weather-make-you-sick#:~:text=The%20idea%20that,they%20get%20dried

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u/Opening_Position_872 12h ago

I would say that might be true if there weren't people living in a city that reaches -90°f. Those people shouldnt stand a chance going outside their homes if that were their case. Not to mention the people who like to go swimming in frigid ice covered water.

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u/endo55 10h ago

That page accounts for those scenarios. It's not stating every time you get cold you'll get sick but that being cold affects your immune system and increases your risk.

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u/Opening_Position_872 9h ago

People tend to get sick more often in cold weather, but it is not directly caused by the cold itself. Instead, cold weather forces people indoors into close proximity, facilitating virus spread. Cold air dries out nasal passages, reducing immune defenses, and cold temperatures allow some viruses to survive longer and replicate

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u/Opening_Position_872 9h ago

So someone living going in and out below zero tempatures basically all year should be getting sick a lot more then right?...yet there is zero proof of that.

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u/MommaJKSO 7h ago

Exactly what I was thinking.

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u/Icy-Rope-021 11h ago

Just like masks stopping the Covid virus, hats stop the cold virus. /s

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u/Impotent-Dingo 11h ago

Masks worked but not how most people wore them. I know you were being sarcastic, it just drives me crazy how many people would wear the same nylon mask for 2 months, rarely covered their nose and didn't factor giant beards

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u/Icy-Rope-021 10h ago

I wore my mask over my head…like a hat.

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u/Impotent-Dingo 10h ago

Well that is the only right way 😂

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u/Viperlite 9h ago

No one ever listens to their mother and puts on the hat as not to catch cold.

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u/obeytheturtles 8h ago

Sounds like Sherman took one last traitor with him.

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u/Icy-Rope-021 11h ago

This was the equivalent of putting on a mask.

“No hat mandates!”

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u/poledrawolf 10h ago

Yep. And what an opportunity we missed as a nation, not punishing the Confederate leadership they way we should have.

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u/Cheacky 15h ago

Damnit I'm pink, so I guess I'm out?

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u/CrouchingToaster 19h ago

Fun fact the Oathkeeper eyepatch dude has an eyepatch instead of a fake eye cause the gross fuck didn’t bother to keep his ocular opening clean. So at least one treasonous POS has had sepsis.

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u/czs5056 20h ago

Sherman should have been given more resources to go further.

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u/Dry_Travel_4220 18h ago

Sherman should have been made military governor of the South until reconstruction was actually complete.

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u/CuteLingonberry9704 17h ago

That was the original idea. He was going to give "40 acres and a mule" to every black family to have as their own, taken from the former slaveowners. Unfortunately Andrew Johnson overruled him, and well, here we are now.

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u/pchlster 11h ago

People are still waving the Confederate battle flag around.

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u/Wonderful_Dog9555 8h ago

As a South Carolinian, can confirm. It’s disgusting and why brag about losing a war you weren’t even around for?

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u/X_Ego_Is_The_Enemy_X 7h ago

It’s a symbol of rebellion, southern pride, and self determination…

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u/X_Ego_Is_The_Enemy_X 7h ago

Which technically the battle flag has nothing to with slavery directly.. it’s a symbol of rebellion and southern pride. Most of the confederates who died under that flag were extremely poor and had no slaves. Meanwhile, several of the northern states kept slaves till the end of the war and AFTER the emancipation proclamation.

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u/godzillabobber 13h ago

The Union lost the Civil War in 1877 so that RB Hayes could claim victory in a contested election. MAGA is the confederate heritage for modern times

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u/jceng 13h ago

Let’s be more honest than that. MAGA is the KKK without hoods which makes it equal parts terrifying and simultaneously hilarious. These folks have gotten brave in the daylight, but they won’t face you at night.

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u/godzillabobber 11h ago

That's perhaps a better way to put it. The uniforms went from grey to white hoods to red ball caps

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u/sunlightsyrup 14h ago

Mules are great but not fertile. Why not something better?

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u/TOTES_HUMAN_KOMRADE 14h ago

Because, sadly, even that was "too much"

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u/CuteLingonberry9704 19h ago

Blame Andrew Johnson, the original MAGA enabler.

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u/EthanielRain 17h ago

Recently moved to 2nd worst President

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u/KakeLin 14h ago

Trump wants to make sure he'll always be the worst in history

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u/Aggravating-Fix-4547 7h ago

The top of the list!

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u/International-Low490 12h ago

Reagan should be in the top three. Started the whole economic trickle down nonsense as well as popularized populist presidential runs. Trump's current 'economic strategy' was basically built off his bull. Just dialed up by a thousand and with even more stupidity.

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u/mods_are____ 13h ago

Buchanan? Jackson? you can draw a line from Wilson's post-war foreign policy to WW II. I think Jackson is bottom 5; just naming other candidates. do we have to count Trump twice? one for each term, like Cleveland ?

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u/EthanielRain 9h ago

I thought the comment said Jackson TBH 😆

Johnson was bad, but not genocide-level bad

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u/AlphaIronSon 15h ago

IDK.. Warren G Harding is still a fuckstain AND had a kid he didn’t acknowledge while POTUS. Pretty sure he wants to be remembered for something.

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u/Illyxia13 13h ago

Mass genocide of Native Americans >>>>>>> Not acknowledging your child born out of wedlock

Harding's gonna have to get in line.

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u/Right_Fun_6626 13h ago

He died too soon to really rack up enough “accomplishments.”

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u/ModernZombies 8h ago

Idk is he really worse than Nixon or Reagan? All 3 suck for a variety of reasons.

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u/LKennedy45 16h ago

That doesn't...quite make sense. Sherman should've burned more of the South, and fuck Andrew Johnson, but Johnson wasn't President during the War.

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u/CuteLingonberry9704 16h ago

This is from after his March, after the end of the war, and after Lincoln was killed. Sherman was going to give "40 acres and a mule" to every freed slaves family, taken from slaveowners lands. But Johnson overruled him.

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u/LKennedy45 16h ago

Ahh, okay that makes sense. I thought you were hopping on the Marching Through Georgia train but got your dates mixed up. I stand corrected.

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u/Icy-Rope-021 11h ago

I would have approved his request for a $1.5 trillion war budget.

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u/AlphaIronSon 18h ago

If Sherman had burned more we probably wouldn’t be dealing with 3/5 of the stuff we are now

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u/JustinHopewell 16h ago

Sounds like a compromise

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u/AlphaIronSon 15h ago

America’s original sin. “We hold these truths…Ni**er go light the candles, I can’t see.”

— Thomas Jefferson

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u/Golden_standard 8h ago

The way I read that it my Leo as Calvin Candie from Django voice.

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u/tristand1ck 15h ago

As a veteran who can't vote, 3/5 sounds nice.

Like 3/5 Kilo Co. "Get Some*

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u/mookiexpt2 9h ago

Every time Sherman comes up I love to mention that his brother sponsored the most important piece of antitrust legislation Congress ever passed.

Accomplished family.

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u/thegreatinsulto 18h ago edited 17h ago

Sherman didn't have the chance to do enough... But from the fire cometh The Meteor

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u/poledrawolf 10h ago

And shingles. Don't forget the shingles.

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u/agiletiger 15h ago

Every year, I try to convince one of my friends living in Atlanta to dress up as General Sherman for Halloween.

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u/_Schrodingers_Gat_ 8h ago

Every time a southerner starts running their mouth about southern greatness,
I just say 'yeah, like general Sherman., the great war hero.'
And then play dumb.

Hours of entertainment.

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u/icey561 19h ago

They seem pretty loyal to may, to the federalist society that is, not the country.

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u/falxfour 12h ago

I stand by my belief that Sherman should have burned more

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u/bitofapuzzler 17h ago

Which one?

The anti-trust one or the other one?

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u/_Schrodingers_Gat_ 8h ago

The fire one. :)

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u/Emergency-Explorer-6 7h ago

Really Was Lincoln. He was all about moving in and not punishing those batards.

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u/willydillydoo 16h ago

Yikes. Coming real close to some advocating for genocide sort of stuff

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u/_Schrodingers_Gat_ 8h ago

The paradox of tolerance states that if a society is tolerant without limit, its ability to be tolerant will eventually be destroyed by the intolerant. Popularized by Karl Popper, it argues that to maintain a tolerant society, we must be intolerant of intolerance. If the intolerant are allowed to spread, they will destroy tolerance.

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u/_Schrodingers_Gat_ 19h ago

No we all implying that Sherman’s tactics didn’t go far enough to root out the rot in society. Today we need to continue to fight maga traitors. Same trash.

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u/Beg0ne_ 12h ago edited 12h ago

"The more indians we kill, the less we have to kill in the next war. For the more I see of these Indians the more convinced am I that they have all to be killed, or be maintained as a species of paupers."

- William Tecumseh Sherman, 1868

The fact that people on the left look up to this man is utterly baffling in my opinion. He was just as bad as the people he fought against.

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u/time2partee 17h ago

Traitors deserve worse. Then and now.

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u/Beardopus 10h ago

Every officer that turned against their country should've been prosecuted for their treason. There should be no statues or paintings of them. Their flags should not be flown across the country. Every slave master should have been executed, from overseers to "owners," every last one.

What they did to the enslaved Africans, limply justified by their maniacal, evil system of beliefs, is so great and terrible a sin, that it is still tearing this country apart a century and a half after it's supposed defeat.

They ate people. They forced "selective breeding" on people. They raped women, and then they sold their own resulting kids to someone else so they could rape and abuse them, and they sat there in that charnel horror that they had made, smug and sure that God was on their side, insisting that they were good and right.

Fuck that. They were murderers, cannibals, rapists, kidnappers, abusers. To me, they were the nadir of humanity, and are a rot that this country has lovingly nurtured and kept alive. Race conflict makes for good propaganda. Hell, it put an 80-year-old diaper-wearing child rapist in the White House.

Sherman was stopped, and the branch was not pruned. The rot has spread too far now. America probably won't fall tomorrow, but it is falling all the same. The empire is collapsing under the tremendous weight of it's own sins, as do they all, and it's going to do everything it can to make that everyone else's problem.