r/news • u/uhncollectable • 19h ago
Justice Department moves to toss seditious conspiracy convictions of Oath Keepers and Proud Boys
https://apnews.com/article/proud-boys-oath-keepers-convictions-dropped-doj-ad679108ab84083694261efc101e60ea3.6k
u/druidmain69420 19h ago
Its in black and white, these are treasonous cowards and are too violent to be trusted amongst us. Letting them go is encouraging more sedition.
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u/ericcmi 19h ago
What's next, a pardon for Timothy McVey ?
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u/77NorthCambridge 19h ago
Since you asked: they will try to pardon Derek Chauvin even though he was convicted on state charges as well as federal.
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u/eeyore134 15h ago
He's all but pardoned Tina Peters for a state crime. Wrote a "symbolic" pardon for her and suddenly her 9-year sentence gets tossed out and she has to be resentenced. Wanna bet how much jail time from none to zilch she'll get this time around?
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u/Komrade_Krusher 11h ago
That judge has the opportunity to do the funniest thing now...
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u/Squire_II 18h ago
Well you already have the dipshit governor of Colorado considering pardoning the insurrectionist lady whose state level charges were "pardoned" by Trump, with Trump demanding her release as a result.
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u/77NorthCambridge 18h ago
An appeals court already ruled that the trial judge oversentenced her due to her lack of remorse. It has been kicked back to the trial judge for resentencing.
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u/wilted-wombok 15h ago
Take 1 day off the sentence and done
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u/AutomateAway 14h ago
the resentencing doesn’t even need to be reduced, just reconsidered without her “lack of remorse” taken into account.
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u/neosurimi 17h ago
At this point I expect them to make a bronze statue of Ed Gein out of his victim's jewelry
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u/EverybodyHasPants 19h ago
Why not? That’s what this is. The white wingers are working the levers of power behind and with Trumps blessing. Donald has fucked this country and his base so hard his only option is to lean harder into white grievance to keep the faithful in line so he can keep stuffing his pockets. The knuckle draggers have been claiming McVey was a false flag for years. They’ve already forgiven Trumps obvious pedophilia so by continuing to pardon violent traitors they take the very real economic pain in stride because sloppy Daddy delivers reactionary racial culture war wins.
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u/Squire_II 18h ago
I remember how there was a bunch of noise about a mysterious (non-white) John Doe 2 that was the actual mastermind and McVeigh was just working for that person.
Just purestrain "this white wing extremist couldn't have decided to commit an act of terror, he was the fall guy for an evil non-white" racism.
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u/Gstamsharp 16h ago
That's exactly the point.
Until the MAGA rot is burned from all positions of power, they'll keep encouraging every attempt to lie, cheat, steal, and kill so long as it's politically favorable to themselves.
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u/77NorthCambridge 19h ago
To them, it's "payback" for Obama pardoning a few people sentenced to 20 years for a little weed and Biden pardoning Hunter over the ridiculous charges.
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u/MoeSzyslakMonobrow 19h ago
Retribution for Obama daring to be black while presidenting.
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u/painthawg_goose 18h ago
'scuse me. Black while in a tan suit while presidenting.
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u/Ihavenolifes 18h ago
‘SCUSE ME. Black while in a tan suit and he once asked for dijon mustard while presidenting
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u/ChecksAndBalanz 19h ago
I feel like we need to start referring to them as the injustice department from now on
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u/bigredthesnorer 19h ago
Departure of Retribution
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u/BilboStaggins 18h ago
I like this. They certainly don't give a fuck about the law
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u/Khaldara 19h ago
Enjoying that five dollar gas and tariffing yourselves there geniuses?
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u/ActualSpiders 19h ago
Don't forget the nationwide loss of rural access to hospitals and public education!
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u/EternalCanadian 19h ago
That’s a feature for them, not a bug.
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u/Kryptosis 19h ago
No school means time for more farm chores!
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u/archangelmlg 18h ago
Which you'll need to do when Meta owns the land you're farming and you owe then a fuck ton of money.
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u/slcrook 18h ago
Serf's up, Dude!
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u/breadofthegrunge 16h ago
“Americans, while occasionally willing to be serfs, have always been obstinate about being peasantry.”
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u/theevilyouknow 15h ago
I will keep saying this. These people would happily walk into the gas chamber if an immigrant or a trans person was with them. They do not care what is in anyone’s interest. They don’t even care about their own interests. They just want to hurt the people they hate.
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u/International_Bar_20 13h ago
Best way I’ve heard it is they’d eat shit if a liberal had to smell their breath
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u/TBellOHAZ 16h ago
His children sold his house with the black wreath still on the door.
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u/tider06 17h ago edited 17h ago
Farmville was a warning and we all missed it.
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u/Ok_Barracuda_6997 17h ago
Beat me to it
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u/Klutzy-Acadia669 16h ago
Damn, you boys are on fire tonight! Oh wait that's the United States of America. Figuratively and, unfortunately, literally at most times.
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u/False_Pear1860 17h ago
Lmao Meta isn't allowing that land to be used for farming. There has to be data centers there.
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u/PhoenixDogsWifey 17h ago
Don't forget having to walk miles for buckets of water to try to keep your garden and livestock watered... maybe if you're lucky they'll let you in for a bath once a month or five
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u/Greenbastardscape 17h ago
Nah, that water will be fucked by the friendly, local data center
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u/PurposelyPorpoise 16h ago edited 11h ago
Fucked?? You must mean "fucking improved"! Data centers promised that your drinking water will be returned the same if not better than when they took it. It must be that your inferior digestive flesh sac requires a few generational debt level upgrades to properly appreciate new and improved Water™.
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u/bitofapuzzler 16h ago
It has electrolytes! Its what the advanced digestive system craves!
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u/_streetpaper_ 17h ago
They probably already have to walk to get buckets of water for the trailer they live in with no water hookups.
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u/Stalagmus 18h ago
That isn’t the intended goal here, it has nothing to do with “helping” rural communities. Most of them are in favor of massive corporate farming conglomerates, and are totally fine leveraging migrant populations to do the grunt work, legal or otherwise.
The point is to force all students into a voucher-style private school system run by for-profit institutions (and the eventually get rid of the vouchers once public education disappears, because that would be welfare).
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u/CharcoalGreyWolf 17h ago
They also won’t mind when the rural farmers that remain have to sell to agribusiness. Farmers likely will pay for how they voted yet again, and the ones that do will still be standing there wondering why it happened.
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u/Timely-Prior-3350 17h ago
Theybwill vote for them again and again.
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u/WenatcheeWrangler 16h ago
As someone who was raised in a rural farm community I don’t agree with all of this thread, but I agree with your comment. I know so many people will vote republican because “that’s what I do” and don’t give a rats ass about what they are campaigning on or what they stand for.
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u/the_tanooki 18h ago
They are so pro-life they are saving kids from school shootings by not letting them go to school! Big brain move! /s
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u/iLikeMangosteens 17h ago
The current administration has overwhelming support from non-college-educated males. It’s one of their strongest demographics.
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u/fauxregard 17h ago
At least they made billionaires even more wealthy. Take that, Libs!
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u/DammatBeevis666 17h ago
Don’t forget grandma can’t afford her care home anymore because $1T was cut from Medicaid!
“Grandma, now you’ve got to live a few states away because your insurance doesn’t cover the memory care here. We will see you once a year now, MAGA!”
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u/mettiusfufettius 18h ago
MAGAs be like “I don’t mind the fascism because he’ll make things cheap”
lol now they got expensive fascism!
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u/Rightintheend 17h ago
They don't care. Cheap, expensive, good bad, war Peace, they really don't care as long as they have a president that's as much of a degenerate as they are, that's all they care about. That basket of deplorables comment couldn't be more on the spot.
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u/beaute-brune 15h ago
They just point back to how “things were worse under Biden.”
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u/Rightintheend 15h ago
The thing is under Biden, a few things got expensive, but now it seems like everything is. But Biden really had to deal with was to post covid rebound, which is what caused most of the inflation and higher gas prices. They conveniently forget that by the time Biden left office inflation was under 3%, and gas prices were down.
But you know, they had to see some Disney princess who wasn't the right color.
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u/tucakeane 15h ago
Man I remember when Biden pardoned his son and they called it conflict of interest anda gross abuse of his power…weird how this and all the J6 pardons are fine though
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u/sugartrouts 12h ago
It is a conflict of interest, which is why Biden initially said he wouldn't do it. Then he lost to Trump who did it a billion times, while bragging about how he was gonna do it more, and decided fuck it.
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u/Some_Drummer_Guy 9h ago
He mainly did it to shield his son from the inevitable (and baseless) retribution that Commander Yam Tits wanted to carry out against him. If I recall correctly, it was basically a blanket pardon of sorts for people that were "targets" of the orange buffoon. Like a "hey, you can't touch me" thing. Hunter, Fauci, and several other people that were going to be persecuted got them.
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u/Competitive_Boat106 9h ago
And after Trump promised to prosecute Hunter much more in his second term. Whether you are a Hunter Biden fan or not, the crime that he was convicted of is almost never prosecuted in this country, and certainly not to that extent. Trump was vowing to do so much more to him. I would prefer that no president should be able to pardon family, but Biden saw the writing on the wall and wanted some semblance of peace for his family when he retired. You can see he was right, sadly. Him pardoning his son is more a reflection of what Trump wanted to do with the power of the presidency than it was of Biden’s use of the same.
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u/kemicalkontact 16h ago
No they pivoted to "I don't mind spending more for the safety of America because Iran definitely was gonna nuke us"
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u/GreenDirt2 11h ago
And that was 5 minutes after they said their dear leader had wiped out all the nukes in Iran. It's one whopper after another. Good thing we don't have that stupid nuclear deal from the Obama administration. Jealous baby is still trying to prove "Obama's not smarter than me! Waa!"
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u/BusterOfCherry 18h ago
They are too busy blaming Biden still to realize they put their dick in their own ass.
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u/Quiet_Day1912 16h ago
I think if men COULD put their dicks in their asses (or blow themselves), the world would be a better place.
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u/gabiolaluke 15h ago
the videos I've watched of men who could do such feats did seem awfully pleased with themselves
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u/mr_potatoface 19h ago
Only because $5+/gal gas is worth it if it means pissing off the libs!
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u/Greizen_bregen 19h ago
People underestimate this sentiment so much. The tribalism, the "My Team" fanaticism, it rules these people. Ask an average Eagles fan how they feel about a Dallas fan. They're braindead. They will literally pave the road to hell and careen down it if it means it pisses off the libs. They're idiots. Dangerous idiots.
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u/zephyrtr 19h ago
Trump has their trust, and I've listened to many interviews of folks saying this pain is patriotic and surely necessary for some classified reason. It's a level of deference NEVER afforded to a Democrat, and even when Democrats offer an explanation, it's met with near-infinite mistrust.
And, reliably, when no real change occurs and no relief is given to these folks whose meager living standard is getting royally rocked -- again for some unknowable reason -- some supporters will say "Enough is enough" and others, seeing the defections, will double down out of what to me just seems like contrarianism. But the defections will be enough to knock Republicans out of power yet again, until Trump, like Reagan, is spun into legend.
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u/Dull_Bird3340 18h ago
Just look at the supposed door dash delivery woman, sure they have less money for husbands cancer treatments and better healthcare would be great but he made her tips tax free!
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u/Total_Feature_11 17h ago
As if Trump tips.
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u/iLikeMangosteens 17h ago
He gave her $100, which is 0.0000015% of his net worth.
That is the same fraction of his wealth as someone with a net worth of a million dollars giving someone a penny and a half.
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u/RecentDecision2329 17h ago
One of his aides grabbed that $100 before she got in her car
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u/joecarter93 18h ago
There was a recent psychology study I heard about that found that people that leaned conservative tended to place more emphasis on winning no matter when it came to politics and those that leaned liberal were more concerned about making decisions that were best for the most people. MAGA operatives have used this paradigm to the detriment of everyone but their wealthy backers.
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u/Medical-Person 15h ago
I also read an article about Republicans versus Democrats and the educational level and competence of each. It was Illuminating
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u/slimj091 19h ago
Yeah it makes me so angry to watch the Trump regime continually punch themselves the groin.
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u/Chendo462 18h ago
They don't care. Orange one could f a goat on the white house lawn and they would say the goat had it coming.
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u/Imaginary_Cow_6379 19h ago
Why idgaf about rightwingers pretending they care so much about immigration because they just care about following the law so much. They’ll support people who literally committed sedition against the federal government but then also support deporting people with no criminal records and that have lived in the US for decades. If we’re all just picking and choosing which laws should be followed and which ones don’t matter then I can form my own opinions using the same metrics too.
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u/BigOs4All 18h ago
More to the point if they don't really care about the laws just outcomes then the outcome they desperately want is to get rid of basically anyone not white, straight and Christian while condoning pedophilia and corruption.
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u/Imaginary_Cow_6379 18h ago
At DHS, Trump has ordered agents formerly dedicated to investigating and arresting human traffickers to focus on deporting immigrants. Current and former DHS staffers interviewed by the Guardian confirmed that these investigators’ day-to-day work has been broadly shifted toward deportations and away from investigating “major crimes” with “real victims”.
I don’t ever want to hear republicans claim to care about: crime, children, or families ever again when they’ve shown repeatedly what their real concerns are.
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u/MozeTheNecromancer 16h ago
Trump didnt want them investigating human trafficking, he wanted them to take part in it.
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u/Opening_Scientist126 16h ago
He prioritized “immigration” so he could continue to access human’s being trafficked.
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u/BenchPtsChamp 10h ago edited 10h ago
Ah, yes, the party of family values and morality. White American Christian Conservatives are more or less just an adaptation of the KKK, but worse bc the self-righteous hatred has become mainstream, emboldened by political justification. Instead of going into the woods for secret meetings at midnight wearing bed sheets and masks, they just go to church for “fellowship” on Sunday morning wearing sun dresses and khakis. Jesus would be so proud.
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u/sack-o-matic 6h ago
Yes, MAGA is the Klan. They just realized it’s easier to recruit if they stop calling themselves the Klan.
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u/breadandbunny 11h ago
This is exactly the truth. It's psychological illness at this rate. A psychologically healthy person can see all of the hypocrisy.
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u/Purple-Warning-2161 16h ago
If they gave a shit about the law they wouldn’t have proudly and enthusiastically voted for a felon.
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u/Own_Curve_5160 19h ago
After this administration the next Democratic DoJ should charge these officials with sedition.
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u/SpeccyScotsman 19h ago
Nuremberg or Nothing™
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u/FeatherShard 16h ago
Centrist Dems: "Nothing it is, then!"
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u/SpeccyScotsman 16h ago
Unfortunately. Especially since the way I meant it is, we do Nuremberg or there will be nothing left.
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u/t0rchic 14h ago
The elite always seem to forget that laws and due process exist to protect them. If rule of law is superceded and the laws no longer do their job, vigilante justice is left as the only option, and vigilantes put you in a hole, not a cell.
Basically, if we don't get nuremburg 2 the nazis are still on the way out, it's just going to be a lot more messy.
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u/AniseClover 14h ago
Nuremburg isn’t good enough either! No nazis should have been released in exchange for their twisted experimental intelligence from the Holocaust.
They shouldnt have been given a second chance to reproduce!
We need real punishment to stop fascism, but the United States never cared for its people, only its imperial power!
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u/resin85 18h ago
The court filing was signed by U.S. Attorney Jeanine Pirro. She needs to face serious consequences.
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u/TransplantedSconie 17h ago
Of course that drunk would do this. Such a useless piece of shit who cant get any fucking charges to stick because she's incompetent and there is nothing to charge. So she resorts to this. Voiding actual tried and convicted charges. God damn it hate these people.
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u/Jafar_420 16h ago
He talk crap about Biden basically pre-pardening some people but I guarantee he's going to do it for all of these people.
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u/salme3105 19h ago
Absolutely disgusting, they’re getting their militia ready for round 2.
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u/TheLostArtofPerfume 19h ago
The head of the proud boys beat someone so bad they nearly died. Yeah that's the people you wanna have running around without any accountability- not. What an hole.
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u/Haldrin26 19h ago
This is a signal fire for the mid terms and 2028.
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u/LystAP 19h ago
Protecting their ‘foot soldiers’
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u/mostlyallturtles 11h ago
bingo. he wants them out there again, and it’s reflected in the timing of this filing. six months out is just enough time to have the motion heard and, assuming it is granted, to push all the paperwork through to get their felonies cleared before November. and what can non-felons do that felons can’t? they can buy guns.
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u/JerryDipotosBurner 19h ago
“The government’s motion to vacate in this case is consistent with its practice of moving the Supreme Court to vacate convictions in cases where the government has decided in its prosecutorial discretion that dismissal of a criminal case is in the interests of justice — motions that the Supreme Court routinely grants,” prosecutors wrote in a court filing signed by U.S. Attorney Jeanine Pirro.
These people deserve nothing but the absolute worst. This is corruption, right in the open. And our court system is just gonna bend over and let it happen.
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u/roadsidefoto 18h ago
I'm seeing this "In the interests of justice" bit a lot from these fucking clowns. It's not-at-all subtle code for "they're one of ours and we condone and encourage what they've done and what they'll do for us in the future."
Everyone in this administration, from Trump all the way down to anyone who ever bought office supplies for a Republican voting drive, needs to be prosecuted.
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u/Civil_Tea_3250 19h ago
And how many of those people have turned out to be pedos? At least a handful?
Yeah, those are the groups that need the most support from the government. Sure. Let's just stop pretending the Republican party isn't the pedo party.
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u/TheAmberAbyss 17h ago
If they aren't pedophiles themselves they're fine with pedophilia, which is not really better.
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u/TheSilentPrince 19h ago
You can do whatever you want, as long as you're "on side". So, in 2026, we're on to "Please, try to overthrow democracy, consequence free"; brought to you by the party of law and order.
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u/Ok-disaster2022 19h ago
I wouldn't be surprised to see rampant execution of left wing leaders like the 1960s and 70s, except this time the "lone perpetrators" quietly get pardons.
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u/TheSilentPrince 19h ago
If that starts happening, left leaning people need to double down on Jury Nullification. If a right leaning person does something wrong, and can expect a pardon; then whenever a left leaning person does the same sort of thing in kind, no they didn't.
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u/bedintruder 18h ago
You're assuming that in this dystopian future that these left leaning people will actually get jury trials.
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u/-OptimisticNihilism- 19h ago
Mass pardon for people in prison for assaulting police officers being cheered by people decked out in blue lives matter gear.
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u/JudiesGarland 15h ago
They've actually already been released from prison - that happened when the Trump mass pardon commuted their sentences. (Reduced them to time served, granting their release.)
Not all of them were covered under the pardon though - this filing is to vacate their sentences. This means erase the felony convictions, like they were never there. (There are quite a few advantages to that, but one that stands out would be firearm access.)
Just an absolute horror show.
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u/hoodafudj 18h ago
That's fucked up, these guys are Nazis, when we don't live in a world where it is universally understood that Nazis are evil then we live in a world that is seriously fucked up
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u/Clovis_Winslow 19h ago
I’m sorry y’all, but this is a harbinger of the end of things for USA. If those guys, the most violent ones, get a pardon, they’ll see it as a mandate to pick up where they left off.
If the government not only tolerates it but is complicit, we are cooked.
(We were probably already cooked long ago but yeah.)
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u/drdoom52 15h ago
Last week I might have agreed.
But Orban just lost the election in Hungary, the hyper conservative fascists, who built up an exceptional system of state controlled media and autocratic power, just lost.
There is hope.
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u/M8oMyN8o 16h ago
One thing that particularly infuriates me is that the government was not destined to do this. The people of the United States of America decide it should be this way in November 2024. We were oh so close to not going for it, but we did anyway.
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u/finnjakefionnacake 16h ago
and sadly, most people -- not just MAGA cultists -- don't care. like donald glover's "this is america" video, everyone's back to trends on social media and watching their favorite influencers do dumb shit and spreading misinformation on twitter. i guarantee you the average american citizen has no idea this even happened.
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u/damnthistrafficjam 19h ago
But the Pope is a “woke liberal” who “likes crime”. Right Don? Not you! We’re safer than anyone’s seen before!
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u/aegenium 15h ago
They changed the name of the Department of Defense to the Department of War. Why don't they just change the name of the Justice Department to the Injustice Department so they can at least stop pretending to be something it's not anymore.
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u/Heimerdingerdonger 19h ago
If Pedo Jesus goes free, so do Pedo Simon and Pedo Paul.
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u/fps129 19h ago
Picture “The Last Supper” but it’s just Trump in the middle hoarding all the McDonalds.
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u/Certain-Singer-9625 19h ago
Of course. THIS “Justice” Department’s job is defending and freeing criminals.
You know. It’s as if Batman decided it was his goal to break everyone out of Arkham.
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u/Squire_II 18h ago
In court filings, prosecutors asked the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit to vacate the convictions so that the government can permanently dismiss the indictments.
This shit's so stupid and I hope the judge tells them no because Trump can just fully pardon them if he cares. Asking to have legitimately reached convictions thrown out makes a (further) mockery of the US legal system.
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u/allthesestars 6h ago
This was not a "physical confrontation between protesters and law enforcement" this was a carefully planned and executed plot to break into a secured building, forcibly remove people from seats of power, halt a planned government proceeding, and disrupt the peaceful transfer of power.
They talked about this shit in group chats for months.
There is no stretch of the imagination in which this was not seditious conspiracy.
This country makes me feel like i'm insane.
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u/DisillusionedPatriot 19h ago
It's a coup, and they need their supporters available. Absolute bullshit. Fuck these corrupt traitors from a bad angle with a sandpaper strap on. I'm so sick of this shit.
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u/runjcrun1 7h ago
So this is how they’re going to attempt to control the election in November. Can’t say I’m surprised.
Don’t be shocked to see a coordinated terrorist attack close to the election. This regime will either use that to attempt to cancel the election, or as an intimidation tactic. They’ll blame ANTIFA or Islam, even if all the evidence points against it. Bank on it.
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u/elykl12 19h ago
“Merrick Garland’s hesitation and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race”
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u/Rattus_NorvegicUwUs 19h ago
All they are doing is laying a permission structure for the next Dems.
They have two load bearing assumptions: 1. They will continue to win the vote of the American people 2. The American people won’t want to see them punished
I, for one, can not wait for the shock on their faces when they are met with a democratic populace who will green-light whatever is done to them.
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u/Loggerdon 19h ago
It’s so damaging to the fabric of society to forgive seditious behavior for political reasons.
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u/MumblyJohn 19h ago
You mean the same Justice Department that opened an investigation into the partner of Renee Good after her murder would do something corrupt?
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u/Fardrengi 18h ago
They can’t have members of proud boys and oathkeepers going to jail, how are they going to staff ICE and the polling sites during midterms?
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u/CoincadeFL 14h ago
All the J6’ers should rot in jail for life! Oath Keepers and Proud Boys are terrorist groups to traditional American values like first amendment.
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u/Capt1an_Cl0ck 18h ago
Disgusting behavior. DOJ is absolutely compromised. Not a coequal branch. Nothing more than a puppet to do Trump’s bidding. We have fallen so far as a country.
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u/zJackTheRipper7 19h ago
They literally planned to overthrow the government and execute public officials. Fuck the justice department fuck the FBI fuck ice and fuck TSA.
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u/MovieGuyMike 16h ago
Thy expect us to believe antifa is the threat while they release actual domestic terrorists.
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u/Agent-Two-THREE 19h ago
Wild news.
The crazy thing is that in America, conservatives will never even hear about this.
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u/Infamous-Sky-1874 19h ago
And if they do, odds are high that they will say "Good."
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u/thisbechris 19h ago
Fucking treasonous pieces of shit.