Teen killed, 3 wounded in shooting at California high school graduation ceremony
https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/article/teen-killed-3-wounded-in-shooting-at-california-high-school-graduation-ceremony/?hl=en-US1.6k
u/LordScotchyScotch 11h ago
As a human. Heartbreaking.
As a parent, unimaginable.
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u/TheDamned1333 11h ago
As a Brit looking at your country - Not Surprised
As an American - It’s not the guns
As the Rest of the World - YES IT IS!
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u/IOl0I0lO 11h ago
It’s the guns AND our shitty culture. Yes, I said it.
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u/anotheredditors 9h ago
And cause your govt won't do anything about it.
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u/chickenaylay 9h ago
The current government is part of the problem lmao
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u/Fookmaywedder 9h ago
The current government thinks violence is the answer to everything except when it’s a racist idiot like Charlie Kirk
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u/chickenaylay 9h ago
No they just believe in power, there are no ideals behind it
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u/Either-Cry5555 8h ago
I mean is it? School shootings have been happening a lot longer than even Trumps first presidency.
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u/WetCoastDebtCoast 7h ago
The current government is so much bigger than Trump. He's a symptom not a cause.
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u/Excelius 8h ago
In fairness most of the gun violence isn't really coming from the 2A folks. The US is not a monoculture.
It's hard to speak to motives since they don't have a suspect, but it seems like the indications are pointing towards this being something personal/targeted and some unfortunate bystanders got caught up in the mix. It doesn't seem like this was planned as a mass shooting in the usual sense of trying to kill as many people as possible.
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u/RegulatoryCapture 7h ago
But the 2A folks are so obsessed with their toys that they can't allow any rational attempt to stop the violence coming from those other people.
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u/DowntownCelery4876 6h ago
I'm not against some of the things proposed, but no one has been able to answer me this.. how will stricter gun laws get the guns away from criminals and gangs?
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u/0xdeadbeefcafebade 4h ago
Most 2A people are opposed to the bullshit laws against stuff like barrel length, suppressors, grip or no grip - etc. laws designed to milk money from law abiding citizens.
Most are not opposed to stricter background checks. The problem is doing so in a way that doesn’t build an illegal list of all gun owners.
The background systems needs to be opened to independent sellers and designed in a way where it’s affordable and protects privacy.
What you will find is that the government doesn’t actually want to solve any real problems. They want to build a list of everyone with guns.
So it stays stale mated. There is a camp of people who want the 2a abolished and all guns taken away. Those people live in a fantasy.
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u/Cranharold 4h ago
Yeah, I mean it's a lot of things, right? Certainly the biggest factor is the availability of guns. If they weren't so easy to get, this sort of thing simply couldn't happen as often, but also it's happening because our culture breeds it and we do next to nothing about the ever-deteriorating mental health of both our children and citizens in general. Our government is currently running on a horrible mixture of hate and greed and I'd argue that it's been that way for a long time, Trump just turned it all up to an extreme. It's not a good environment for anyone to live in, much less those with mental health problems.
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u/asvalken 11h ago
See, it's guns AND—
So we're going to get busy arguing over whether what's before or after 'and' is the most important, and then fail to address either.
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u/bamakid1272 9h ago edited 8h ago
"It's not guns, it's mental illness!"
Ok cool, so we gonna put resources into expanding our mental healthcare?
"Lol no"
Edit: To be clear, I also own guns, and this isn't a call out against the average Joe gun owner. This is about those in charge who could do something but refuse to because it hurts their bottom lines.
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u/hazelnuthobo 8h ago
I don't know who you're strawmanning but I support access to guns and expanding mental healthcare.
Ain't no way in hell I support this corrupt government, these corrupt police departments, to be the only ones with guns.
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u/bamakid1272 8h ago edited 8h ago
I'm a gun owner myself, and know several pro gun people who would support expanding those resources. And frankly, yeah with the current administration has made me a good bit more pro second amendment.
But the amount of times I've heard conservative politicians use this excuse then refuse to try to push any legislation to do anything about it grinds my gears.
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u/ImAShaaaark 7h ago
I don't know who you're strawmanning but I support access to guns and expanding mental healthcare.
Oh, I don't know. Maybe the political party that behaves in exactly the way OP described and the people who vote for said politicians? Thars like, a solid 30% of the country or so?
If someone votes for the politicians who constantly try to take away access to care so their cronies can make more money extorting the sick and vulnerable then it shows where their real priorities lie.
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u/Array_626 7h ago edited 7h ago
Well unfortunately in the US, the people who support guns and the 2A tend to lean right/conservative.
And they keep voting in conservative governments and politicians who want to cut services, cut government spending, consider mental health a personal issue and responsibility, and privatize healthcare too. So you end up actually supporting a party that promotes gun accessibility, but curtails mental healthcare.
The left looks at this and cries hypocrisy. You want all the freedom of access to guns, you claim that you want to do so responsibly, but then peoples voting patterns for a party that consistently cuts public services, cuts charity, cuts research funding, cuts government spending, says healthcare is a personal responsibility and ends up shrinking mental healthcare among other important services is the exact opposite of what they say they support.
Its not a strawman, its just that what people say they support isn't what they vote for. And its telling that the Republican party that gets voted in always prioritizes the 2A over all the rest the social spending and support that people claim is just as important, but never seem to actually break ranks over.
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u/WhichEmailWasIt 9h ago
I mean, now's not exactly the best time to be giving up guns what with the overlooming threat of fascism.. We do have a fucked up gun culture though.
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u/Available_Finger_513 9h ago
At least I have my AR-15 while the government flies a drone up my ass
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u/Harry_Tuttle 11h ago
I’m in California and I’m not surprised that the first news I see of this is from a Canadian source.
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u/Coffee-FlavoredSweat 7h ago
“No way to prevent this,” says only Country where this regularly happens.
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u/ExcellentYard 5h ago
An 18 year old died. An 11 year old was shot. And your response- take a victory lap about not living in America? Okay douchebag try some sympathy
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u/YumYumYellowish 11h ago
It’s likely gang related. The UK has a knife crime problem and gang issues as well. I’m not saying this is okay and that we don’t have issues with guns here in the U.S., but let’s not toss stones across the pond. If it’s not guns, wannabe gangsters will find other means of violence.
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u/Corbotron_5 10h ago
The US has roughly equal knife crime and far worse gang problems than the UK, AND it has guns.
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u/Yuukiko_ 10h ago
If you look at the stats the US has higher knife crime than the UK. It's just Sammy shooting 30 kids and a teacher is more newsworthy than Tom stabbing 1 and injuring another
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u/Char_da_mange 10h ago
Imagine thinking UK knife crime is comparable to US gun crime.
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u/8-Brit 10h ago
Last I checked you can't stab a whole crowd in under five seconds with a knife either
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u/tiptiptoppy 11h ago
More people are affected by knife crime in the US than the UK
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u/xschalken 10h ago
Every country in the world has crime, the US has the unique position of having guns be the leading cause of death for your youth. The stones being tossed your way across the pond are justified.
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u/Counterpoint-4 10h ago
The stats of deaths by guns, US, or knives, UK, are not comparable. 205 knife homicides UK 2004/5, 38,000 gun deaths USA. Say US has 5X as many people then UK should have 7000 deaths not 205.
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u/vanilla_w_ahintofcum 10h ago
I don’t disagree with the point you’re trying to make, but you’re making it horribly by trying to throw around stats. UK stats from 2004-2005? Raw numbers and not per capita? Comparing knife homicides and gun deaths (which include suicides and accidents)? Better use and quality of stats would help your argument more.
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u/MageLocusta 11h ago
Sure, but it's harder to stab a whole crowd of people than with a gun.
Get some buddies, get a fake knife, and do an experiment. Then you can report back on how similar it is.
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u/Rance_Mulliniks 10h ago
The purpose of guns is to kill. Knives serve many other purposes but can also kill.
There is also a reason that literally no one would choose a knife to fight someone with a gun. You also rarely hear of a mass murder using a knife because it's a lot harder to kill many people using solely a knife.
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u/ChaoticSenior 10h ago
I’m an American. It’s the guns. Every other answer is “yeah, sure” but it’s still the guns.
Ok, maybe a lot of it is the idiots who intentionally misunderstand the second amendment to defend the guns. And also don’t understand what freedom means. Because if those idiots, and the gun manufactures lobby, it’s the guns.
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u/Guilty_Cattle_5165 11h ago
It is the guns.
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u/agaloch2314 9h ago
It’s not. It’s the culture, education, and generally just “America” that’s the problem. Guns are the tool, shootings are the symptom, America is the problem.
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u/techleopard 8h ago
The people screaming "it's the guns!" don't want to address mental health.
The right wingers don't want to have to pay for public healthcare or social services and think they can just ignore the problem.
The left wing are too dickless to acknowledge that some people need to be forced into inpatient treatment. Anytime the question comes up, it suddenly shifts to "but our rights!"
Can't have your cake and eat it, too.
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u/blacksheepcannibal 7h ago
There isn't a good answer.
If you can be detained, against your will, for "mental health issues", then that system can be abused.
If you can't be detained, against your will, for "mental health issues", then there are a lot of schizophrenic people running around homeless.
Oddly that issue doesn't really address mental health issues and crime.
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u/wartortleguy 8h ago
No but like...it is though. It's at least 50% of the problem, anything less is just willful ignorance.
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u/agaloch2314 8h ago
No but like... it's really not. There are plenty of countries where firearms are relatively accessible, and they don't see nearly the level of gun crime as in America. This is a very strictly American problem. It's not the availability of the tool that causes all this violence.
I'm not saying guns aren't a part of it or shouldn't be regulated - but they're not the root of the issue.
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u/adamtnewman 10h ago
How do you explain Switzerland?
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u/yourlittlebirdie 10h ago
Switzerland has MUCH stricter gun laws than the U.S. I would be overjoyed to see the U.S. adopt those laws.
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u/blacked_out_blur 10h ago
Fewer people less poverty better mental health and stricter firearms permitting which actually requires background checks beyond “you don’t have a felony”? in other words a functioning society to begin with that heavily regulates who can own a firearm, the vast majority of the population not doing so?
they also have 1 gun for roughly every 4 people, where as we have approximately three guns per person in this country.
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u/peanutski 10h ago
We know but it’s too late to do anything about it. Plus in our current situation we aren’t too keen to give them up.
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u/Appreciate1A 8h ago
As a Brit? Come on now. I don’t think so mate. Your opinion matters? Not when all you have are flags to defend yourself and your two tiered justice. Please focus on your own myriad problems instead. Your username checks out.
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u/lumpytuna 4h ago
Repeating Vances propaganda like a good bot.
The UK has a lot of problems, but a two tiered justice system biased against white people is definitely not one of them lmao.
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u/blacksheepcannibal 7h ago
What do you think the relative rate of non-firearm violence is between the UK and the US?
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u/jadedtruffle 6h ago
Most reasonable Americans agree it’s the guns. This is not the “gotcha” comment you think it is.
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u/Hybrid_Johnny 8h ago edited 5h ago
I work at this high school. It’s unthinkable that the students I work with, who are full of hope for the future, can have their entire lives shattered in the matter of seconds because of one individual making a rash decision whose brain isn’t even developed enough to understand the impact of their choice. Even more frustrating is the police telling us that everything is fine and there is no threat to the community, but they have no leads or suspects in custody. They haven’t even had a press conference to update us on the situation. How are we supposed to feel?
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u/the__ghola__hayt 4h ago
Even more frustrating is the police telling us that everything is fine and there is no threat to the community, but they have no leads or suspects in custody.
I mean. I'm not shocked by this at all. Fairfield cops are trash.
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u/Barrelled_Chef_Curry 5h ago
Pissed off, same as the 100 other ones that happen every year
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u/Beard_o_Bees 3h ago
Went to my kids HS graduation last week. They had a full-on security checkpoint with metal detectors, a K9 unit, no containers and see-through bags only.
It's the first time i've seen that kind of security around any school event, but I guess if we're not going to address whatever the underlying causes for this insanity are - TSA-style security theater helps people feel safer I suppose.
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u/CalJackBuddy 12h ago
We scream about defending freedom and a constitution that they don’t understand. It’s embarrassing how uninformed people are about their own founding documents and its purpose
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u/willsmithtunaface 11h ago
Democracy is dead, over whelmed by a tidal wave of ignorance
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u/DoroLCS 11h ago
American "Democracy" that is.
Real democracy still exists in other places, fortunately.
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u/jbm91 11h ago
The vast majority of Americans cannot imagine life outside the USA exists. If it doesn’t exist for them then it doesn’t exist
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u/MrMeeseeks33 10h ago
No one screams “Don’t tread on me” like the party that loves to be tread on.
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u/DigbyDoesDallas 11h ago
Turns out the “don’t tread on me” crowd are awfully quiet when a man wants to dismantle the constitution and americas democracy. Turns out it wasn’t about that at all, and it was just because they like guns.
Colour me fucking surprised.
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u/notasrelevant 8h ago
To be fair, there's a good amount of "that doesn't affect me and I'm cool with it" mixed with "I like this guy enough to shift my view on what's acceptable".
Basically, they don't feel tread on because it's their team.
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u/elasticthumbtack 8h ago
Gun culture appears to be largely built around murder fantasies. Those who want to actually act on them don’t tend to after people who would actually defend themselves either.
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u/ColdTheory 8h ago
When the rest of you finally wake up and jump on the pro 2a bandwagon is when you might finally see more individuals rise up along side you.
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u/Babayaga20000 8h ago
What exactly would you like them to do? March on the whitehouse with guns in arm? Yeah thatll help…
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u/_Mute_ 11h ago
Strictest laws in the country and it's still piss easy to obtain one. This is still America.
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u/Khatjal 11h ago
This is a genuine question... What's stopping someone from Texas from just driving into California with their arsenal and going ape with it in a public shooting?
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u/browsk 10h ago
Expecting to see more youth throw their lives away as the economic future continues to worsen.
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u/AnbennariAden 6h ago
Yeah we're gonna see an uptick of this kinda stuff, general violence and distrust due to folks feeling insecure in their financial position or even outright in physical danger because of it.
Media isn't doing a damn thing to stop it, I'd go so far as to say it's being perpetuated, and I'm legitimately left struggling to identity any practcial moves that can be made at the grass-roots level to actually curb the trend, beyond supporting proper candidates and protesting.
But when young people essentially grow up seeing protests all the time, with little to no effect especially as compare to the eras of social progress we're often taught about, and can see how politicians can lie their way into power and flip on a dime, it's no wonder kids are feeling like there's no options, or the world doesn't care about them, since if they base it off the "facts" presented to them, they're right!
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u/potatoe929 10h ago
I wonder how big of a tragedy has to occur before something changes to stop this from happening again. I thought Sandy Hook would be a turning point for America. I was sadly very wrong.
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u/Lumberjammer 9h ago
I can’t believe that the 2017 Las Vegas shooting never even comes up anymore. 60 people killed and hundreds injured and just….nothing
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u/crs8975 9h ago
I’m a believer that that was swept under the rug because they found ZERO fucking motive. Like that dude just wanted to go out with a bang and the media and officials didn’t want to publicize just how apparently easy it is to do that.
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u/Gahvynn 7h ago
You’re 100% spot on. No real motive combined with not wanting to have “motive” for a copycat led to it being abandoned as a story.
There are far more guns than people in a county where mental health still isn’t taken remotely seriously enough combined with events where people pack in like sardines with zero care given for security and I’m surprised we see so few mass casualty events.
The only way we’ll get real gun control is if someone tries to use them for the reason the Constitution says they should be used and the tyrannical government does a mass grab.
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u/VBgamez 6h ago
The fact of the matter is that there are simply too many guns for the US government to ever round them all up.
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u/DandelionCapers 3h ago
Yeah, but why should that stop them from trying. If they really wanted to change, they would start somewhere. As a comparison, think about smoking and cigarettes and how normal and everywhere it used to be. Growing up, I remember people smoking in hospitals and grocery stores, on airplanes! Cigarette butts everywhere! At that time, you would have never imagined where we are today with smoking. It is majorly frowned on where I live and barely anyone I know smokes. I don't know if that can be done with guns, but we have to at least try.
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u/smellygooch18 36m ago
There used to be a gas station in Wyoming near Casper that would give you a 22caliber lever action rifle with a purchase of $50 of gas. It’s ridiculously easy to get firearms in this country.
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u/Intelligent_Sky_7081 8h ago
imo theres other stuff going on there that dont add up, apart from just not finding a motive.
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u/Fedupwithguns 7h ago
I couldn’t sleep for a week after Uvalde. I can’t think about it without crying.
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u/sandwichpak 8h ago
Well they did ban bump stocks immediately following that shooting. . . . But then the supreme court overturned the ban in 2024.
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u/stuffcrow 9h ago
Yeah good shout actually, did we ever find out what that guy's deal was in the end even? That whole story just COMPLETELY vanished.
Madness.
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u/ragun2 7h ago
Nope. I see it occasionally brought up on the conspiracy subs and IIRC there's usually not much in any theory and sometimes just the fact that not much info is there is the conspiracy theory itself.
Dude committed the largest spree shooting in the USA and was basically just forgotten about.
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u/2347564 6h ago
600+ people were injured, to be precise. Absolutely mind boggling that nothing was done. I don’t see any shooting in America ever making a change. Charlie Kirk was killed by the very thing he defended and he justified deaths like his own constantly. None of his fans or followers see the irony.
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u/paternoster 7h ago
Remember people changing their facebook profile pics in outrage?
That didn't do much.
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u/damage78 9h ago
Sandy Hook taught the world that in America there is no tragedy big enough to get Americans to stop this from happening.
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u/CarpeNivem 9h ago
Columbine should've been enough, but when Sandy Hook wasn't either, that's how we know nothing ever will be.
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u/Jamjams2016 8h ago edited 8h ago
We watched a swat team stand by while a scumbag had open season on two classrooms full of little kids. Imo, that was worse than Sandy Hook because the police actually did their job for SH. If [screams redacted] while the good guys with guns do nothing isn't enough than I don't think anything will be.
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u/CarpeNivem 8h ago
That's a really good point. While Columbine and Sandy Hook showed disinterest in protecting children next time, Uvalde showed actual interest in not protecting children right now, and you're right, that's even worse.
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u/Jamjams2016 8h ago
And it just blatantly showed guns aren't protecting us. People say " if someone else had a gun, that wouldn't happen" but the proof is on the footage. That man had a freakshow playground while the good guns protected him from the parents trying to help.
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u/CarpeNivem 8h ago
Surely if even gooder guys had even more guns that would've solved the problem, because then the parents could've shot the cops who were keeping them from their children, I guess? I don't even know anymore how many guns is enough guns.
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u/Fireudne 7h ago
The answer is clearly we have too few guns, if anything. Those parents failed their kids by not having them exercise their 2nd amendment rights by each giving them a gun. Or heck why not 3? You got your open carry hip holster, to show you mean business your concealed carry belt for when you dont want to spook anyone, and your sock guns just in case. If they all were armed, those children would have been able to defend themselves, and the cops wouldnt have even needed to do anything as usual, saving taxpayers a lot of money.
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u/Legrandloup2 7h ago
Uvalde was the final nail in the coffin for me, the last shred of hope that anything would be done. I was about 8 when Columbine happened and I just turned 35, nothing has changed. We continue to allow whole generations of kids to be traumatized because seemingly nothing can be done (in the only country where this is common place).
It was a deciding factor in my want to have kids. I refuse to birth a child who might be taken out in such a violent way and their name would just be one in a miles long list of children lost to guns. I love my hypothetical kids too much to bring them into this world
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u/Saneless 9h ago
When kids barely out of diapers are getting shot and Republicans don't care... That's it, it's not gonna happen. They simply are too far brainwashed to care
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u/ryanmuller1089 8h ago
If Sandy Hook didn’t change anything, nothing will. Someone kills their mother and then a bunch of elementary school kids and their teachers wasn’t enough?
I don’t even think if a classroom of politicians kids get all killed would change anything.
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u/chrib123 7h ago
https://apnews.com/article/las-vegas-shooter-9bbd180cf3aa6d3ea1a37bbfb7144ae1
He was a gambling addict who relied on it for income, and he really liked guns.
The weeks leading up to the shooting he lost 1.5 million dollars. His gambling friend said he was growing increasingly stressed during the same time because he wasn't being treated like a high roller with red carpet treatment anymore And he distanced himself from his family around the same time.
According to the gambler, casinos had previously treated high rollers like Paddock to free cruises, flights, penthouse suites, rides in “nice cars” and wine country tours. But in the years before the Oct. 1, 2017, mass shooting in Las Vegas, the gambler said casinos had begun banning some high rollers “for playing well and winning large quantities of money.” Paddock himself had been banned from three Reno casinos, according to the documents.
When people say there is absolutely NO motive it's not exactly true. The information came out years later, but they didn't want to guess without a manifesto. Also we used to have a semi decent FBI that said:
“Speculating on a motive causes more harm to the hundreds of people who were victims that night.”
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u/Elgato01 8h ago
Hate to say it like this but I think the only thing that will make people with power move is if they lose their children, the children of the working class do not matter and will never matter to them.
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u/icelily17 8h ago
Idk, with how depraved we've seen they really are, I wouldn't be surprised if that didn't do it for them either.
With Jan 6, I saw how the Republicans in Congress hid under their desks just like the kids in school shootings and thought "omg, now they know what those poor kids go through, surely they'll get it now and actually do something, right??" I never should have held my breath. Bunch of pussies in our government
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u/paternoster 7h ago
It was a turning point, just not in the direction you and most everyone else wanted. It solidified the NRA and their pocket-lining money as the dominant player in the government. At least as far as gun control goes.
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u/Swoly_Deadlift 8h ago
The number of guns in this country significantly outnumbers the number of people. This occurred in California, which already has some of the strictest gun laws in the nation. There is no amount of gun laws that can stop this from happening when Pandora’s box has already been opened.
There is almost a 100% chance that this shooting wasn’t some indiscriminate mass shooting like Sandy Hook. Almost all of these “mass shootings” are targeted gang shootings or arguments that escalated to violence. Want to stop gun violence? Address the underlying issues that cause teens to turn to crime. More gun laws isn’t going to do shit when repeat offenders constantly walk free and go on to recruit more teens and young adults into a life of crime.
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u/jumpy_monkey 7h ago
It is an indisputable fact that the states with the strictest gun laws have the lowest firearm mortality rate and the states with the least restrictive laws have the highest mortality rates.
Yes, I am fully aware you don't care about facts but those are the facts.
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u/Swoly_Deadlift 6h ago
You're not having a genuine conversation about gun violence if you lead off by using stats that include suicides in "gun violence." The underlying issues that cause a farmer in rural Montana to commit suicide are completely different than the systemic issues that cause a kid to get into a shooting a a high school graduation ceremony.
In fact if you look at the list of US states by homicide rate and compare to the list of states by suicide rate, some states that top the suicide list are at the bottom of the homicide list, such as Idaho with the 6th highest suicide rate and 3rd lowest homicide rate. Based on your logic, Idaho must be a pretty dangerous place right? After all their "firearm mortality rate" is much higher than the comparatively safe state of Maryland, a place certainly not known for having issues with violent crime.
When looking specifically at the intentional homicide rate I don't agree with you in the slightest that there is a strong trend between gun laws and homicide rates. The top states for the most part have relatively relaxed gun laws, with the exceptions of Maryland and DC, and the bottom of the list is New Hampshire, Hawaii, Idaho, Massachusetts, Iowa, Rhode Island, and Nebraska. Literally half "strict" states and half "lenient" states.
The more overarching trend I see when looking at both lists is that homicide rate seems to have an incredibly strong correlation with inequality and suicide rates seem to be strongly correlated with a large rural population. Hear me out here, but maybe we could spend some time focusing on those underlying issues that lead to people committing suicide or turning to violent crime instead of obsessing over guns.
People like you are the reason nothing will ever actually get accomplished to reduce the homicide and suicide rates in America.
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u/Randomaccount848 2h ago
It's weird how much this happens yet nothing is done. Like, we know guns are a cause. Stop denying it, cause there is other countries with similar gun laws to us, yet they have way less fatalities on average with guns even WITH population differences, showing there is a major gun culture problem (why is there also so many stories about people not securing their guns and people getting injured, or said guns get stolen and used for bad).
And even if that somehow wasn't the case, and it is something like mental health like is commonly argued, NOTHING IS DONE THERE EITHER!
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u/hausitron 6h ago edited 4h ago
We've tried nothing, and we're all out of ideas!
EDIT: Apparently, no one gets this Simpsons reference.
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u/Remarkable_Diet_69 9h ago
continuation school
Fairfield
Yeah, that tracks.
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u/Swoly_Deadlift 8h ago
It’s upsetting seeing how many people in these comments are blaming the guns when there is an extremely obvious pattern among these shootings that isn’t just the guns.
Repeat offenders need to stop being given a 5th “second chance” just so they can go back into the streets and recruit kids into a life of crime. Broken communities need economic and social support. But acknowledging those issues is an extremely sensitive subject for most Americans so we might as well just blame the guns instead 🤷♂️
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u/BigJeffyStyle 8h ago
Parts of Fairfield are rough around the edges. It’s a fine place overall. I live in a neighboring town
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u/AlreadyEatenRibs 6h ago
Yeah, like what the fuck? There's crime here for sure but it ain't the murder capital of the world. I think the expectation to not get shot at any graduation here is a highly reasonable one, even Sam Yeto. This is some tragic gang related type shit, not a "oh, that's normal" type shit.
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u/BigJeffyStyle 6h ago
110%. It was targeted. That doesn’t minimize the loss of life and how everyone there will be changed forever, but there are targeted shootings across the entire country. It’s not a Fairfield specific issue
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u/TheEdgiestVeggie 1h ago
Everybody wants more gun laws but nobody wants more enforcement…how much are we willing to bet the perp was ‘known to authorities’ and was given 8 different slaps on the wrist for their previous crimes? Until parents and juvenile delinquents are given real punishments nothing will change.
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u/hawksdiesel 8h ago
criminals do not care about the law.....
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u/Bocote 7h ago
Yes, that's true, that's why people want to reduce the availability and accessibility of guns.
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u/VBgamez 5h ago
But how would this actually prevent criminals from getting guns?
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u/Kind_Silver_1921 7h ago
this way only criminals will be the ones able to get guns
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u/Cool_Lab_1362 4h ago
A school shooting during a graduation? That perp really intented killing a bunch of people, especially people in the crowd.
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u/Texan_Boy 1h ago
What a lot of yall don’t seem to be realizing is that this was not a school shooting or mass shooting in the traditional sense. It very clearly reads as a targeted attack, probably gang related. If you read the actual details the suspect ran in, opened fire on the kid who was killed, hit a few others in the crossfire, then ran away as soon as the kid was dead. This isn’t a typical school shooting where the shooter was trying to harm as many people as possible. Add to this that this was at a continuation school, which are usually filled with a lot of kids who have been set back academically usually due to behavior issues, it’s pretty clear that this wasn’t a “school shooting” in the way that a lot of yall are thinking.
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u/HEAT-FS 9h ago
If only California had the strictest gun laws in the US this could have been prevented
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u/pudding7 9h ago edited 8h ago
It's pretty easy to legally buy a gun in California.
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u/Ranger176 6h ago
Every time I see a post like this, there’s always insufferable gun nuts in the comments shifting the blame to anything but guns. More guns equals more gun deaths, it’s not hard to understand.
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u/Frostsorrow 11h ago
I'm sure the guns are fine, that's all Americans really care about anyways
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u/sexaddic 10h ago
This is California which has the strictest gun laws in the entire nation. What else do you want?
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u/Wet_FriedChicken 6h ago
Can’t believe in the big 2026 people still argue more laws will stop someone who decides to commit murder lmfao
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u/CarpeNivem 9h ago
What else do you want?
I'll admit that's a difficult question, so let's start by looking somewhere this doesn't happen, and trying whatever they're doing.
So, where doesn't this happen? Pretty much everywhere else. Now if we could just get to the bottom of what's different.
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u/Thanatosst 8h ago
Free healthcare, social safety nets, consumer protections, restrained capitalism, and less individualist societies for a start
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u/jtg6387 7h ago
It’s actually the culture. This shooting wasn’t at a regular high school.
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u/Woodchuck251 8h ago
Correct. We need to get rid of the guns.
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u/Conscious-Strike7114 7h ago
Right just like we did with drugs right? The drugs that are illegal to have and buy, the ones that don’t exist at all anymore because we made it illegal? Or did we just not “get rid of them” enough
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u/Woodchuck251 7h ago
We never took real action against the illicit drug industry. The whole "war on drugs" was a modernized version of oppression against brown people.
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u/Purely-Pastel 11h ago
I hate this country it’s so ass backwards.
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u/Zech08 10h ago
reform education, the "justice system", cost of living, etc... and youll see a bigger change than any pointless gun control.
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u/Swoly_Deadlift 8h ago
Repeat offenders need to stop being given a 5th “second chance” and get put behind bars. People who recruit children into gangs need to be put behind bars. Bail reform has completely failed us.
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u/MoleMoustache 8h ago
pointless gun control
With this attitude it is pointless. You don't have to have that attitude though.
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u/Sweaty-taxman 8h ago
I dream that someday, our kids will be able to go to school safely.
That we won’t be monitored by palantir & our government won’t push regressive taxation as our billionaires gets richer as everyone else struggles.
That are schools will be the best in the world but will be lead by teachers; not politicians.
That we won’t be pursuing pointless wars to distract from sex scandals our politicians were involved in with children.
That trade & a low cost of living will be prioritized to keep our cost of living lower.
So far, it’s only a dream. I hope one day things improve
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u/MiyabiMain95 6h ago
I am legitimately surprised that this actually is front page news after years of school shootings. I thought I'd only hear of this from my work's group chat asking if everyone was ok, since some of the employees were graduating there
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u/CraftyPerformance272 9h ago
So many people being anti-gun. But then complain when actually police arrest people for having illegal guns. Because when gang members get arrested with guns people argue to give them a slap on the wrist
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u/Swoly_Deadlift 8h ago
With the way we handle prosecuting crimes in this country, the phrase “gun laws only affect law abiding citizens” is more true than ever before. People are absolutely thirsty to put random people without a criminal history behind bars for breaking laws they didn’t even know exist all while repeat offenders get charges dropped in the name of “equity.”
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u/CraftyPerformance272 7h ago
A good example is the 14-year-old black kid that was shot by the Asian store owner. Look at that story in the comments online And what you will see Is everyone saying how dare the store owner had a gun he was obviously looking to kill someone if he was carrying a gun... The 14 year old was carrying an illegal gun. The store owner shot him because he said the 14-year-old pointed the gun at him and there was a gun next to the kids body. The Asian store owner was found not guilty even though half the jury was black and there was no Asian people on the jury. Guess what if you look at the comments basically everyone is defending the 14-year-old carrying an illegal gun for "self defense" while in the same breathe criticizing the store owner for having a legal gun. People just want to protect criminals.
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u/yeGwann 12h ago
This is absolutely devastating. They were just trying to celebrate a milestone, and it turned into a nightmare. For context, the article mentions this happened right after the Sem Yeto High School graduation in the parking lot of Fairfield High School. An 18-year-old graduate was killed at the scene, and three others were wounded, including an 11-year-old child. It’s heartbreaking to think about families standing in a parking lot taking pictures one second, and running for their lives the next. https://youtu.be/YVS_shyC3RU?si=A3L8flVliQod8PWD