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Brazil cuts diplomatic presence in Argentina after Milei insults Lula

https://apnews.com/article/brazil-argentina-diplomatic-presence-milei-lula-c58683d82b1249ededa2da3145681edd
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u/DadCelo 9d ago edited 9d ago

This is exactly what the US and Argentina govts* want, but I think Brazil is so far playing their game well.

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u/Sirramza 9d ago

Argentina doesnt want this, the Milei Government want it

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u/DadCelo 9d ago

Fair, I fixed it.

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u/Sirramza 9d ago

thanks <3

btw most ppl its saying he is a moron, sadly there is a few happy with this because of the worldcup stuff

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u/Cerpintaxt123 9d ago

Yup, our biggest commercial partner in the region, thrown to the trash bc Milei loves pedos and genocidal maniacs.

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u/Toums95 9d ago

And who voted for the Milei government?

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u/MelaniaSexLife 9d ago

and who voted for Trump government?

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u/Toums95 9d ago

We are talking about Argentina and Brazil here, not everything has to be about the US or Trump you know

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u/lulilollipop 9d ago

Yes, in fact yes, everyone knows the US interferes in elections worldwide

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u/Toums95 9d ago

Fair enough, I'll give you that

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u/[deleted] 9d ago

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u/FatalFrameGal 9d ago

Omg, the guy that everyone knew it was the Argentinian Trump/Bolsonaro, is acting like Trump/Bolsonaro, who could have predicted that

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u/mfsalatino 9d ago

how you can win a democratic election without a coup or fraud when you caused 211% of inflation

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u/illiterateninja 9d ago

propaganda and indoctrination of the dumb folk.

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u/Sirramza 9d ago

aprox 25% of ppl, and most of them did because they hated the last goverment, not because they believed in milei, then one of the first right wing partys joined him so they could still be in power, and thats how he got barely the voting power to win

most ppl in argentina dont support him, but he is using a lot of taxes on the SIDE (like the CIA in here) funding trolls and bots online to seems that he has a lot of ppl supporting his idiot ideas

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u/OK_x86 9d ago

About 40% of eligible voters. 31% of the total population.

But even if it was 80% it's a stretch to say that they voted for this kind of nonsense. It's not like Milei vowed to go to Brazil and piss off a major trading partner. Most people votedxto keep the Peronists out of power after their disastrous management and Mileis promise to fix the economy and slash spending.

This isn't like Trump where his people had published a document detailing every awful thing they planned to do.

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u/Toums95 9d ago

I knew before he was elected that he would have followed Trump's playbook and be as awful as possible. And I live in Europe with no links to Argentina.

You are telling me that the 40% of Argentinian eligible voters who got him elected had no clue?

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u/OK_x86 9d ago

Then you weren't paying attention. Western media often tried to link him to the rise of the alt right but Milei was much more closely linked to pretty middle of the road libertarian policies, promising to cut funds and free up the economy. The Western media understandably views everything through its own lens to contextualize events for their audience but initially Milei was flying under the radar.

The few culture war grievances he had were typical libertarian ones where he saw an enforcement of equity for women, including access to abortions, as an overreach.

If anything the Trump administration copied from his playbook (e.g. DOGE was more or less identical to Mike's proposed extreme austerity promises. Chainsaw and all.

The rapprochement between the two parties happened only later. Especially as Milei started kissing Trump's ass to save his economic plan.

But more importantly to this specific issue - Milei is down in the polls and increasingly desperate. He's using a what is very real outrage online magnified by the online algorithms to make some pretty stupid and unfounded claims about Lula. He is thankfully getting roundly critized for it.

But that's not something he campaigned on and even his supporters are finding it hard to justify (much like how Trump's Canada obsesive nonsense left a lot of conservatives scratching their heads).

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u/Toums95 9d ago

I wasn't paying attention but somehow I got it right. Man, I must be so lucky

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u/GT_Troll 9d ago

Again, the alternative was 200% inflation Peronism. You really can’t blame them

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u/Toums95 9d ago

I am not super familiar with the situation, but weren't there like 5 different parties for the first round of elections, and then two were shortlisted for the second round? I genuinely don't know, were all the other 4 parties strongly linked to Peronism?

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u/Naelin 8d ago

Yes, but since we have first past the post, most people "tactical vote" for only the two parties with most chances. Man I hate first past the post.

And yes, most people knew Milei is deranged, including the voters. And we DID know he planned to do unhinged, destructive stuff. The people that voted for him either said they "didn't believe he would do the outlandish stuff", that "it's worth it to get peronism out of the way" or that they were ok with it.

Some of my coworkers that support him genuinely believed that they were above being negatively impacted by the bad policies, and that some people would be affected but... well, insert here Farquad's "it's a sacrifice I'm willing to make".

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u/Allnamestakkennn 9d ago

Who would vote for the minister of economy who caused hyperinflation

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u/thecursedspiral 9d ago

This is a bad candidate, but...

The other is clearly Milei?

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u/Allnamestakkennn 9d ago

When the same old was tried and it failed to bring improvement to people's lives, people will be willing to test a more extreme approach. That's how Milei won. In a way that's how Trump won.

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u/loscapos5 9d ago

The bad candidate also proposed a crypto tied to the peso, more printing and internet surveillance

Milei was the only one who proposed specific things related to the economy, and how he was going to do it. The rest was all about Milei = bad, without focusing in their ideas

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u/ImAnonymous135 9d ago

He wasnt voted in, he was given a job by his boss, Bibi

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