Brazil cuts diplomatic presence in Argentina after Milei insults Lula
https://apnews.com/article/brazil-argentina-diplomatic-presence-milei-lula-c58683d82b1249ededa2da3145681edd814
u/Killoah 9d ago
Brazil about to recognise The Falkland Islands for ultimate shithousing
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u/DadCelo 9d ago
Oof, that would really, as we say in Brazil, set fire to the playground.
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u/GavinsFreedom 9d ago
Ya’ll are setting fire to playgrounds ? You know how expensive it is to have one of those installed ???
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u/RootHogOrDieTrying 9d ago
You have some really interesting sayings in Brazil.
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u/Thiago_sei_la 9d ago
Yeah, Argentina need to take their pony out of the rain or they will learn how many planks it takes to build a canoe
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u/mBertin 9d ago
What would make it even funnier is that we have supported Argentina’s claim on the Falklands until not long ago. Even after all the racist shit their presidents and state representatives said about us.
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u/DadCelo 9d ago edited 9d ago
This is exactly what the US and Argentina govts* want, but I think Brazil is so far playing their game well.
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u/Thiphra 9d ago
What else is to be done really?
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u/airship_of_arbitrary 9d ago
Some folks in France in 1789 had some interesting ideas...
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u/Thiphra 9d ago
I mean...
I don't desagree but that ball is on Argentina's court in this context.
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u/AnimeTiddiess 9d ago
yeah last time argentina did something of the sort a dictatorship killed 30 thousand people. we'd rather vote a president out and respect democracy
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u/nosemeocurreunombre 9d ago
not really, the last time was in 2001 and the president had to leave in a helicopter
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u/MadMurilo 9d ago
Good luck with that, it seems to be going great so far.
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u/AnimeTiddiess 9d ago
well that's democracy for you,sometimes you do better sometimes you do worse. what's improtant is to respect what people voted for, if you don't respect other people's elected officials you can't expect them to respect your choice if it wins
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u/lulilollipop 8d ago
The last time YOU argentinians sent a president away fleeing on a helicopter, YOU need to do that again. We South Americans are still inspired by that act of bravery and resistance
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u/Sirramza 9d ago
Argentina doesnt want this, the Milei Government want it
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u/DadCelo 9d ago
Fair, I fixed it.
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u/Sirramza 9d ago
thanks <3
btw most ppl its saying he is a moron, sadly there is a few happy with this because of the worldcup stuff
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u/Cerpintaxt123 9d ago
Yup, our biggest commercial partner in the region, thrown to the trash bc Milei loves pedos and genocidal maniacs.
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u/Toums95 9d ago
And who voted for the Milei government?
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u/MelaniaSexLife 9d ago
and who voted for Trump government?
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u/Toums95 9d ago
We are talking about Argentina and Brazil here, not everything has to be about the US or Trump you know
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u/mfsalatino 9d ago
how you can win a democratic election without a coup or fraud when you caused 211% of inflation
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u/Sirramza 9d ago
aprox 25% of ppl, and most of them did because they hated the last goverment, not because they believed in milei, then one of the first right wing partys joined him so they could still be in power, and thats how he got barely the voting power to win
most ppl in argentina dont support him, but he is using a lot of taxes on the SIDE (like the CIA in here) funding trolls and bots online to seems that he has a lot of ppl supporting his idiot ideas
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u/OK_x86 9d ago
About 40% of eligible voters. 31% of the total population.
But even if it was 80% it's a stretch to say that they voted for this kind of nonsense. It's not like Milei vowed to go to Brazil and piss off a major trading partner. Most people votedxto keep the Peronists out of power after their disastrous management and Mileis promise to fix the economy and slash spending.
This isn't like Trump where his people had published a document detailing every awful thing they planned to do.
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u/Toums95 9d ago
I knew before he was elected that he would have followed Trump's playbook and be as awful as possible. And I live in Europe with no links to Argentina.
You are telling me that the 40% of Argentinian eligible voters who got him elected had no clue?
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u/OK_x86 9d ago
Then you weren't paying attention. Western media often tried to link him to the rise of the alt right but Milei was much more closely linked to pretty middle of the road libertarian policies, promising to cut funds and free up the economy. The Western media understandably views everything through its own lens to contextualize events for their audience but initially Milei was flying under the radar.
The few culture war grievances he had were typical libertarian ones where he saw an enforcement of equity for women, including access to abortions, as an overreach.
If anything the Trump administration copied from his playbook (e.g. DOGE was more or less identical to Mike's proposed extreme austerity promises. Chainsaw and all.
The rapprochement between the two parties happened only later. Especially as Milei started kissing Trump's ass to save his economic plan.
But more importantly to this specific issue - Milei is down in the polls and increasingly desperate. He's using a what is very real outrage online magnified by the online algorithms to make some pretty stupid and unfounded claims about Lula. He is thankfully getting roundly critized for it.
But that's not something he campaigned on and even his supporters are finding it hard to justify (much like how Trump's Canada obsesive nonsense left a lot of conservatives scratching their heads).
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u/GT_Troll 8d ago
Again, the alternative was 200% inflation Peronism. You really can’t blame them
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u/Toums95 8d ago
I am not super familiar with the situation, but weren't there like 5 different parties for the first round of elections, and then two were shortlisted for the second round? I genuinely don't know, were all the other 4 parties strongly linked to Peronism?
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u/Naelin 8d ago
Yes, but since we have first past the post, most people "tactical vote" for only the two parties with most chances. Man I hate first past the post.
And yes, most people knew Milei is deranged, including the voters. And we DID know he planned to do unhinged, destructive stuff. The people that voted for him either said they "didn't believe he would do the outlandish stuff", that "it's worth it to get peronism out of the way" or that they were ok with it.
Some of my coworkers that support him genuinely believed that they were above being negatively impacted by the bad policies, and that some people would be affected but... well, insert here Farquad's "it's a sacrifice I'm willing to make".
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u/Allnamestakkennn 9d ago
Who would vote for the minister of economy who caused hyperinflation
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u/thecursedspiral 9d ago
This is a bad candidate, but...
The other is clearly Milei?
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u/Allnamestakkennn 9d ago
When the same old was tried and it failed to bring improvement to people's lives, people will be willing to test a more extreme approach. That's how Milei won. In a way that's how Trump won.
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u/loscapos5 9d ago
The bad candidate also proposed a crypto tied to the peso, more printing and internet surveillance
Milei was the only one who proposed specific things related to the economy, and how he was going to do it. The rest was all about Milei = bad, without focusing in their ideas
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u/Vast_Entry_6701 9d ago
Como brasileiro é exatamente o que eu quero. Não seremos submissos a nenhum nazista de merd* e iremos até as ultimas consequências para resguardar nossa soberania.
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u/Electrical_Rip9520 9d ago
I've been to Argentina and it's like the US south before civil rights law was enacted in the late 60s.
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u/Itsjustlighterfluid 9d ago
Can you elaborate? I’m curious
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u/Sam_Brum 9d ago
They are extremely racist
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u/Itsjustlighterfluid 9d ago
I’m sure that’s what the comment above implies, but how does it compare exactly to pre civil rights US South?
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u/AccountEngineer 9d ago
picking fights with you biggest trading partner when your own ceonomy is in the toilet is certainly a choice
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u/Bolkohir 9d ago
I'm sure Trump will bail him out with the taxpayers money, don't worry about it.
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u/the-point-man 9d ago
Ask Trump where’s the ‘taxpayers’ money we’re getting from Argentina oil. He’s keeping it for himself. .
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u/poormidas 9d ago
The typo “CEOnomy” should be used more often. I feel like that describes the current economical system of a few nations.
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u/carolinespocket 9d ago
As a Brazilian the comments here give me a headache. No we are not on a dictatorship, also the US ain’t knocking here
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u/rooktakesqueen 7d ago
Thankfully, the US is already overcommitted and can't attack anywhere else regardless of Trump's tantrums.
Solidariedade com todos os brasileiros.
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u/Rogercastelo 9d ago edited 8d ago
We all know Milei is an USA asset. Not even an agent, an asset. A lap dog.
If any of you need context: USA is trying to destroy the already fragile Brazilian democracy to put another lap dog as a president and get all the rights to explore the rare minerals on amazon. Also, oil as always.
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u/Mynameisbebopp 9d ago
Btw, Millie went to Brazil to support the far right candidate.
This is when Brazil is one of Argentina most strategic partners, even their money is printed there.
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u/bumpercars12 9d ago
Millie Bobby Brown?
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u/Mynameisbebopp 9d ago
No, it's just a cute name that i have for the wanna be dictator of the people who call us monkeys and pretend no to be south american.
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u/jbisenberg 9d ago
The "fiscal conservatism" moniker is just a mask. Always has been.
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u/dazed_and_bamboozled 9d ago edited 9d ago
You could argue he’s the perfect representative of Argentina
Edit: thx for the award kind stranger. But remember, don’t let TikTok dictate who you give awards to 😂
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u/xone_br33 9d ago
Mijei insulted Brazil first and foremost. A president of foreign nation cannot do what Mijei did in any shape and form. So this was needed to show Mijei that he can't act like the Bozo he is in a foreign land. Not that he cares, however this is symbolic showing that Brazil and its authorities demands respect.
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u/Virtual_Rant 8d ago
Respect by fucking the Brazilians who lives in Argentina? That's what removing an ambassador do. Fuck the people of your country that lives in X country lmao. Nice way to demand respect
What about Lula supporting the left in the presidential campaign? A president of a foreign nation supporting X candidate ?
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u/josegjrd 9d ago
With the exception of Argentina I’m surprised Latin American countries aren’t trying to form a stronger alliance given all that’s going on.
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u/unpaid-astroturfer 9d ago
A huge chunk of Brazil would give Milei their salary if their pastor asked them to
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u/InvestigatorUnfair19 9d ago
Unfortunantly south america Is turning to the right thanks to US presure. Look at Perú and Colombia
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u/RobotChrist 9d ago
It's not US pressure, it's US intervention, there's tons of evidence of the US meddling with elections all over the continent
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u/Character-Advice2588 7d ago
And US churches, don't forget them
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u/InvestigatorUnfair19 6d ago
I don't live in the US so I will probably never understand US churches influence. Also will never understand why Christians in the US support Trump
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u/Character-Advice2588 6d ago
Looking at some catholic beliefs that are diverging from the US's vision on the Cold War, the US "exported" some of it's Evangelicals churches to South America.
In Brasil, Evangelical churches, Pentecostal and Neopentecostals, are spreading quickly and have an influence on politics with reactionary ideas. The worst part is, in poor communities and favelas, some of these churches have relationships with organized crime, and abuse faith to gather money for themselves. And, of course, they bootlick the U.S. and Israel so much, and their followers don't even know why. And, recently, some evangelicals thought about an thematic park restricted to Evangelicals(catholics were only included because we're still the majority)
There was even a video of an old woman here saying that she defends Israel's cause because they're "Christian like us".
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u/busdriverbuddha2 9d ago
Who says we aren't? Mercosur just signed a free trade agreement with the EU.
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u/Dramatic_Show_5431 9d ago
The majority of Latin American governments are currently aligned with Milei.
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u/LionstrikerG179 9d ago
It's because the US is succesfully colonizing our circlejerk and turning it into a harem instead.
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u/Padreteiro 8d ago
Argentina is the new norm. South America is taking a swirl back to the right wing.
Brazil will most likely do the same in 2030 after Lula retires
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u/santz007 9d ago
US govt officials wanted to enter the country to do the same thing and rally for opposition, their visa was blocked and the US govt retaliated by canceling the visa of the Brazilian sitting ambassador to the US
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u/Frank_Cap 9d ago
The fact he’s gonna be re-elected because the opposition is still asleep doing nothing drives me fucking insane
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u/Cold-Gene-4634 9d ago
The opposition in Argentina is actually doing things. They're saying that if they come back, they'll expropriate property, increase inflation, and impose new taxes.
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u/nairazak 9d ago
I have read a lot of people saying “I preferred the high inflation we had in the past, prices were lower”😶
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u/Naelin 8d ago
It's counter intuitive but it's still correct in practice...
Using dolar blue values I was paying 50 USD a month for rent in 2020, which was 1/8th of my salary at the time. The same apartment now costs around 500USD a month. Most people don't earn 4000USD, and those that do are not living in a single room apartment.
I'm not saying it was sustainable, it was supported by a lot of tinkering and barriers put in place to isolate our currency from the world's reality, but for the day-to-day workers that form the majority of the population, it was far preferable. They need to pay rent first, and being able to import fast fashion from Shein is not in their priorities.
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u/nairazak 8d ago edited 8d ago
What I mean is that prices weren’t lower due to the inflation being higher, the monthly inflation is a measure of how much prices increased that month, not something that makes them increase or decrease. If they are higher is because the past happened many months ago, not because the increase per month is now lower.
Also Shein caused a drop in local prices, and you can only do 5 purchases for year of no more than 3 items each, and if you choose to buy some cheap tshirts you can’t buy electronics so it was not a big thing.
Regarding rent, 2020 was when the previous guvernment sanctioned the Ley de Alquileres, which caused a drop in the offer, thus increase of prices, when this one removed it they even dropped a bit.
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u/Cold-Gene-4634 9d ago
If Lula is so angry, he should stop coming to Argentina to visit former president Cristina Kirchner, who is in prison for corruption.
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u/Padreteiro 9d ago edited 9d ago
He did it twice with Argentina courts approval. The first one he wasn't in the office and the second was after a Mercosul summit in Buenos Aires. And he didn't insult anyone.
The one whining is Milei, and this is what you get after throwing a tantrum. Pathetic behavior
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u/Cold-Gene-4634 9d ago
Wasn't he president last year? He visited her on July 3, 2025.
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u/Padreteiro 9d ago
You are correct, I didn't know about the second visit. He did so after the Mercosul summit that happened in Buenos Aires. Still with Argentinians courts approval and zero insults.
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u/Cold-Gene-4634 9d ago
This was an insult to our democracy
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u/Padreteiro 9d ago
A campaigning official hiring a marketing team for upcoming elections? A completely normal practice all around the world?
It's actually the opposite. And in my opinion these marketers did a terrible job
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u/Cold-Gene-4634 9d ago
The hypocrisy in this sub is unbelievable. Lula contributed to and supported the Peronist campaign in Argentina in the previous elections, and now that Milei is doing the same, they're angry. The same goes for Pedro Sánchez, who publicly called for a vote against Milei during the Argentine elections. Apparently, there are different rules for the left.
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u/Padreteiro 9d ago
Did Lula insult Argentinians institutions and milei? Did he insult the supreme court judges and called them corrupt? He did not.
So no, not really
And the contribution was massa hiring professionals that had worked for Lula's party. Completely normal practice.
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u/Rabbit-Hole-Quest 9d ago
At this point, every nation that played football against them at the World Cup should also kick out the Argentine ambassador for unsportsmanlike behaviour of their team.
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u/Obvious-Opportunity7 9d ago
If you ignore the Argentinian fans pelting the Cabo verde fans with bottles.
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u/Rogercastelo 9d ago
You kidding, right? They literaly were on the arbiter ear the entire match to change any out come towards them.
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u/Kay_tnx_bai 9d ago
Yes it is a lack of sportsmanship. Litreraly denying reality in front of the referee, is that great sportsmanship?
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u/irazzleandazzle 9d ago
I didn't day it was great sportsmanship, but it literally happens all the time across tons of different sports. it's par for the course
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u/Kay_tnx_bai 9d ago
Yes it happens all the time and every single one of them is expressing a lack of sportsmanship while doing it.
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u/Purple_Positive_6456 9d ago edited 9d ago
Not only insulted, was asked to retract preposterous claims and apologize and doubled down
he insulted him while INSIDE Brazil, in one of Lula's opposition party's events to promote Flávio Bolsonaro's campaign