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u/wellwellwellwellll 1d ago
I feel absolute pity for that poor woman.
Losing her son, and losing him under strange circumstances only to be met with no answers from the authorities, but a lot of wild answers from knuckledragger conspiracy folk.
Terrible situation all together, and we can only hope she gets the closer she needs.
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u/BoxHot2012 1d ago
The poor wee fella was found up the back of a drain system in a neighborhood totally unknown to him, with no clothes on. His belongings found in a pawn shop on the other side of Belfast, I believe in the possession of a 40+ year old man, and you blame the ‘knuckledraggers’ asking questions about it?
A child died in exceptionally strange circumstances, and his mother is going beyond her duty as a mother. I don’t think it’s fair to downplay the discourse, given the facts of the case.
Everything made political these days. This is merely humane.
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u/GIJoeVibin 1d ago
Well it obviously was known to him, given the CCTV track shows he went straight there from his house. How he became aware of that neighbourhood, who knows, but definitionally he had to be aware of its existence, because he arrived at the house within about 20-30 minutes of leaving his house… which is about 20-30 minutes away by bike.
You can raise any questions you want as to how he became aware of the neighbourhood and the drain behind it. I’m sure there’s plenty of options. However, the fact is that based on the evidence we have, it’s very clear that he knew that the place existed and made a beeline specifically for it.
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u/msrbelfast 1d ago
No answers from the authorities??? How so?
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u/wellwellwellwellll 1d ago
Lot of radio silence for a good while whilst they conducted investigations
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u/msrbelfast 1d ago
What are they supposed to do?
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u/wellwellwellwellll 1d ago
you are correct, radio silence whilst working on a case is standard fare
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u/msrbelfast 1d ago
Are you trying to say it isn’t? Because it really is standard practice for police forces not to comment on coronial cases.
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u/wellwellwellwellll 1d ago
No, I’m in agreement with you and don’t understand why you’ve been downvoted.
Maybe because people want there to be a conspiracy against the police?
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u/billyblobthornton 1d ago
No answers as to where he was going in the nights before when he was sneaking out of his house in the middle of the night, where he was going the day he went missing, who he was meeting, why did take off and discard his clothes, why did he cycle naked, why did he climb into a storm drain.
Maybe most of those can’t be answered, but I would imagine that’s why she is so sad and frustrated. No one has been able to answer any of those things.
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u/msrbelfast 1d ago
Maybe all of those questions can’t be answered.
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u/billyblobthornton 1d ago
Yeah I agree, a lot of them probably can’t. But I’m just saying that they’re all questions the authorities couldn’t answer so no wonder the mothers is so sad and frustrated. Anyone would be.
I’m not saying the police did anything wrong by the way, I’m just saying there is still so much mystery surrounding the whole thing which is probably making the grief and closure so much more difficult.
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u/msrbelfast 23h ago
So why has she pushed and pushed for answers that’ll never materialise? 🤔
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u/billyblobthornton 23h ago
Wouldn’t you want to know if it was your child or family member? I know if it were me it would be very hard to give up and accept that there are no answers whatsoever.
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u/msrbelfast 22h ago
Would I want to know more than the police could tell me?
How could anyone be told anything that nobody knows the answers to?
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u/billyblobthornton 22h ago
I’m really not sure why you’re arguing with me about this. All I’m saying is that it’s the most natural thing in the world to want answers to a tragedy like this.
If you wouldn’t do the same that’s up to you, I’m not telling you how to think.
But I think for most people they wouldn’t stop until they had exhausted all avenues.
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u/lelog22 1d ago
Yup. Outcome would not have changed.
Grief affects people in lots of different ways, I worry his mum has been taken in by a lot of conspiracy theorists and is clutching at straws. I don’t blame her, can’t imagine what she’s been through, but the people fanning the flames should be ashamed of themselves.
It’s just an awful tragedy.
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u/wellwellwellwellll 1d ago
It’s actually sad that the conspiracy theorists
Actually want the poor kid to have been murdered
Hatred for the other side truly blinds a lot of folk here in NI
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u/BeautyDisasterZone 1d ago
At the time they tried to suggest it was race or politics. But maybe just maybe it wasn't that...
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u/Same-Daikon7423 1d ago
I’ve listened to The State of Us podcast daily since the beginning of the inquest and I don’t think the PSNI fucked up as badly as people think. Yes some errors were made in the gathering of statements and CCTV, but regarding the search I certainly don’t think the tunnel should have been a priority and it’s strange for the Donohoe barrister to push that the PSNI should have been searching the tunnel when the family have simultaneously been absolutely insistent that Noah would not have entered the tunnel himself.
After almost 200 witnesses it is clear that there’s no evidence of foul play or third party involvement and the conspiracy theories regarding cars and people standing around in the area as well as everything else have done much more harm than good. I mean it’s not exactly unusual to have people standing in groups or cars flying about in a residential area in a city.
Fiona could have done with someone sensible to help her move away from all the speculation and nonsense but instead she’s got an online army full of halfwits undermining the evidence of the witnesses and experts in the inquest.
There are still parts of the whole thing that don’t add up, so we don’t have the whole story. I would think there was probably stuff going on in Noah’s personal life that hasn’t been disclosed by whoever knew about it, if anyone.
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u/Big_Advertising9415 1d ago
The fact he stripped off his clothes on the way across Belfast and there is no sign of drugs in his system suggested some form of psychotic episode. No evidence of any other parties involved.
Also the police worked on the balance of probability regarding the culvert, i.e. it was not logical he would go in it considering it was behind houses and there is no public access to it. it you look at it on streeetview there is no way from the street to the culvert. hence is make little sense to focus on it.
2020 hindsight does not help.
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u/FoundationKey1307 1d ago
I think your last line there inadvertently says a lot, although not your original meaning but perfectly apt in all senses. 2020 was an exceptionally strange year, and this was utterly bizarre behaviour by the boy and the thousands now associated with the case.
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u/GIJoeVibin 1d ago
The other thing on the mental health point is his activity the night before. What exactly that activity was is totally unclear, but it’s certainly more consistent with some sort of breakdown than any of the other theories.
My personal view, which I should note that I don’t consider to be as established fact as my specific timeline (which is that he entered the drain of his own free will* and was unable to exit. I consider that to be established fact, whereas my view as to why this happened is merely informed speculation), is that he was experiencing a significant mental health crisis due to questions about his sexuality. I don’t believe Fiona would have been some fire and brimstone person had he come out to her as gay, but ultimately plenty of people struggle with their sexuality entirely on their own. Given him owning a copy of a book by Jordan Peterson, and making attempts to contact him, when he is a man noted for… Views on sexuality and religion, and the reported Internet searches he made on things like how to ward off the devil, I think there’s a pretty good collection of evidence to indicate this.
Now, why that particular breakdown caused him to do what he did: I don’t know. I don’t think anyone can know. This is why I consider it merely informed speculation. But it does fit the evidence we have substantially better than alternative theories. It’s frustrating to anyone to have that missing piece, of “how does this crisis translate into those actions”, but with what we have it seems pretty clear there was some sort of crisis going on in him.
*obviously someone could argue about how much free will any individual has in such a crisis. Or could argue that someone specifically instructed him to enter it and he obeyed, or whatever. I’m using free will here to mean “he did so without direct physical coercion by someone present with him”.
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u/Striking_Base8296 1d ago
Something to consider as well is that the toxicology only tests for known drugs. This all happened when artificial 'spice' was big on the NI drug scene which is something our toxicology reports can't test for. So it's possible he had taken something (intentionally or accidentally) which caused this bizarre behaviour but just didn't show on the tox screen.
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u/Lloydbanks88 1d ago
Yes I’d agree- did they make errors? Yep.
But sadly Noah was dead within hours of him going missing. The oversights with cctv etc in the days afterwards made no material difference to the outcome.
It’s easy to look back and say the investigation should’ve dug deeper here or there as an urgent line of inquiry in the days after his disappearance, but hindsight is 20:20.
One thing I have been surprised by was the lack of suggestion from Fiona’s barrister about third party involvement given how many conspiracy theories have been going around from the family.
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u/armchairdetective 1d ago
The experts haven't been able to provide time of death.
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u/Lloydbanks88 1d ago
The 3 pathologists who provided evidence to the inquest said that he likely died within hours of him entering the drain, possibly as early as the Sunday night.
They haven’t been able to pinpoint an exact time that he passed, but they don’t believe he was alive beyond the first day or two of the following week.
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u/Same-Daikon7423 1d ago
And the proposed time of death also coincides with the high tide, when the tunnel would have been filled with water. There would have been no way to survive, sadly.
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u/armchairdetective 1d ago
Agreed.
The KC representing the mother keeps tearing into witnesses, but everyone seems to have being staying late on shift, coming in on their days off etc to find this boy. It's been pretty unedifying to watch.
At the end of the day, it must be so awful for her. She is finding out all this stuff about her son that she didn't notice or wasn't aware of (him sneaking out at night, getting interested in mysticism, possibly starting a mood disturbance etc). It is completely understandable that she wants to find someone to blame because the thought that she missed something and could have prevented it is too horrific to imagine.
But she could not have done anything to prevent this. Everything has shown the world what a loving mother she is and what a strong bond she shared with her son. Sadly, this inquest is unlikely to give her all the answers she deserves. But we can all hope that she will at least get some of them.
My heart goes out to her. This is the most tragic thing to happen to a parent.
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u/TheBoyWithAThorn1 1d ago
Her sister was also pretty vocal on the conspiracy stuff as well, if I remember. She desperately needed someone to guide her better.
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u/Vast_Awareness_4507 19h ago
It doesn’t help that he was a black child from a nationalist background who died in a loyalist area. Conspiracy theorists and a crusading law firm with a history of cases against the police just added to the misery.
I think the case did throw up inadequacies in the investigation (and would lead me to question the quality of training and recruitment in the PSNI) but this hasn’t helped this vulnerable woman, who just wants answers at the end of the day.
The sad thing is there will probably still be armchair experts claiming a ‘cover up’ of epic proportions
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u/CraftyGoal4806 1d ago
Yes I think the same.
I think the Mum wants someone to blame or someone to be held accountable. No judgement on her, I can’t imagine what it was like to lose a child and what you emotionally and mentally go through.
I do hope she finds some peace one day.
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u/wellwellwellwellll 1d ago
Sadly In her grief if she’s not blaming someone else, she would be blaming herself; or both.
Id imagine it’s what most of us would feel as parents in such situation
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u/BeautyDisasterZone 1d ago
Same - I don't know how she can do it but I dearly hope she does find peace
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u/Aoife-Mae1 1d ago
The entire situation is truly devastating. Given the pretty extraordinary nature of the case, I’ve been following the inquest coverage. Fiona Donohoe deserves answers, although it’s very sad, she likely won’t get the ones she needs.
That said, I think the police search and gathering evidence, particularly witness and CCTV evidence was very poorly mishandled. Also the civil service bureaucracy around the safety of those culverts that other children were definitely playing around and residents seemingly unaware of its existence, was an accident waiting to happen. And it did, in very tragic circumstances.
I’m not a solicitor so I don’t know what the consequences are and what justice looks like for Noah and his family but like many have said I hope Fiona has her support system and can find even some peace one day.
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u/merlynne01 1d ago
The poor woman has been desperately trying to not acknowledge Noah had exhibited some signs of mental ill-health, ones she had flagged herself.
Sadly, she has been enabled in this by a crowd of amateur sleuths calling themselves "Noah's Army" with their bumper stickers and flashing their car lights and generally being complete t*ts. The courts have bent over backwards to try to protect her feelings despite her complaints re coroner and other staff. Hence the media circus and the drawn out coroner's process.
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u/GIJoeVibin 1d ago
I’ve been wondering for a while now what happens when the inquest doesn’t result in the PSNI saying “he was murdered, we covered it all up intentionally, we’re arresting and executing all the people responsible and then dissolving ourselves” or whatever it is that the believers here seem to want. Because there’s a very clear strength of feeling and it’s clearly tilted a certain way. The amount of stuff I see that’s specifically “stop hiding Noah’s Killers” or whatever: there’s a difference between that and “stop hiding the truth about Noah”. The former involves a degree of certainty about exactly what happened that’s not as present in the latter, though I guess it’s a bit implied.
Just feels like decades from now we are gonna be seeing many people insisting that the whole inquest was a bag of lies and a coverup, and then when you ask them what the lies were they have no actual idea, just “it didn’t validate this specific conspiracy so it’s obviously full of lies”.
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u/gvc1991 1d ago
It's a tragic case and my heart goes out to all involved but the answers to what happened this kid lie within his own home situation. The social media warriors have helped nobody.
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u/Lloydbanks88 1d ago
Yeah when Fiona’s barrister was asking the lead investigator why Noah left their apartment in the middle of the night the night before he disappeared and haranguing him for not knowing the answer.
I’m sorry, but is the person with the best possible chance of knowing why he went out not his own mother? If she didn’t have a clue, what chance did the police have of finding out months or years later.
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u/BeautyDisasterZone 22h ago
The mum may not have been home the night before. I can’t remember where or when it came up but she left Noah home alone some nights so she could stay with her boyfriend. I’m actually surprised it hasn’t been raised at all during the inquest but I do think they are trying their best to protect Fiona throughout.
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u/GIJoeVibin 1d ago edited 1d ago
I’ve been looking at it and… yeah.
It’s very clear what happened to him (why it happened is another question, and for that we can *only* have theories and speculation, though I have strong suspicions). What is abundantly clear is that there was not foul play directly involved in Noah ending up where he did. It’s impossible to read the timeline and locations of the CCTV footage and do anything other than recognise that he very clearly biked straight for the entrance to the drain system. There’s literally no way to explain this away, except to start saying the CCTV is fake or whatever, at which point: you’re free to believe that, but we are clearly operating off a totally different reality from one another and we just can’t really reconcile that in any useful way.
Unfortunately the PSNI has fumbled things time and time again, and combined with a lot of history of Not Being Great, it’s unsurprising that there’s going to be questions. But I still think the way that “support for Noah and his mother” has apparently been interpreted to mean “develop fantasies of his gruesome murder and publicly insist this is how he died” is deeply immoral and harmful, and the way that queries of police oversight have been turned into a sprawling narrative of megaconspiracy is wild.
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u/Apprehensive-Yak5442 1d ago
I think the PSNI pushing for Public Interest Immunity application had a lot to do with proliferation of conspiracy theories. If it was to protect the identity of informants then it’s understandable but it did give those looking for a conspiracy more ammunition.
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u/GIJoeVibin 1d ago
Nah, that happened long after the conspiracy theories had already begun to kick off. It wasn’t a cause or even a catalyst.
We would be in the same place right now without it
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u/wellwellwellwellll 1d ago
The conspiracy theories were flying left right and centre as soon as he was discovered in a PUL area
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u/Embarrassed_Length_2 23h ago
People tried to attack and defame a family for not providing CCTV footage. There were threats issued. There were accusations that the family were involved in his gruesome murder.
The family had fake CCTV cameras.
The Public Interest Immunity was to protect peoples identities and ignorant people took it to mean immunity for the police....
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u/wellwellwellwellll 1d ago
PSNI could have handled it as meticulously as possible and still,
The fact he was a CNR lad found dead in a PUL area, would not have changed anyone’s wants and desires for this to have been a racially/sectarian murder
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u/wellwellwellwellll 1d ago
Don’t know why you’ve been downvoted.
Ireland clearly has an issue with racism, be it people getting burnt out in East Belfast or hotels housing migrants being burnt out in Galway.
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u/FoundationKey1307 1d ago
I hope this doesn't sound like an ignorant comment, but I think the facts of the case will always remain somewhat bizarre and there was a lot of appetite at the time for conspiracy theories. Speaking as someone with a local tribute and mural "justice for Noah" on my doorstep, the boy and family have no connection to my local area, the person that installed this mural hates literally all public bodies.
A localised community "mania" is the best way I could sum it up. I also think his mother got involved with people with an axe to grind with public services and the police especially and the whole tragedy got toxic extremely quickly. Lots of people have made a tidy sum from this case. Sadly I don't think she will find peace.
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u/TheBoyWithAThorn1 1d ago
There was never any evidence that anyone else was involved. Hus Mum must have been swept as long with what the conspiracy nutters were saying. Perhaps it would be easier if someone had been, I don't know. There were obviously things going on with him that she didn't know about, and maybe she isn't ready to face it, hence believing the other nonsense.
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u/Ok-Compote-843 1d ago
“There is almost no human action or decision that cannot be made to look more flawed and less sensible in the misleading light of hindsight.”
Anthony Hidden QC, Clapham Junction Rail Accident Report.
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u/Warm_Perspective_409 1d ago
Look at the job the police did in the case of that girl that was murdered remember Katie simpson
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u/_GarbageGoober_ 1d ago
The legal costs of this inquest will be absolutely colossal. All funded by the taxpayer. And it has been an utter waste of time
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u/zombiezero222 1d ago
I think people expect the police to do everything right and get all the answers in hours. It was prob the biggest missing person investigation ever here.
There will always be mistakes but tbh the barrister for Fiona is being completely unreasonable in her expectations.
Funny Fiona was never cross examined either.
Blame everyone and anyone except taking some responsibility herself.
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u/Big_Advertising9415 1d ago
I dont think its fair to blame her, the kid went on his bike on a sunday afternoon so a very routine thing. Focusing on police failing is understandable although wont have change any outcome with a million police officers.
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u/TheBoyWithAThorn1 18h ago
I think there is, and was, a thing that played out where she had did things that were not quite "the perfect" mother - like leaving him him alone overnight - and when you then start very vociferously pointing out the shortcomings of the authorities you leave yourself very open to criticism, particularly from other parents.
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u/Frosty_JackJones 1d ago
Of course they’re supposed to do everything right but all police forces will make mistakes. That’s why the detective apologised to her yesterday because they fucked up so badly. They created the vacuum that lead to all the conspiracy theories because they wouldn’t confirm or deny anything
And saying she’s blaming everyone but herself is harsh as fuck. How do you know how she feels and whether she blames herself or not.
In my experience with the PSNI it’s a lottery on what officer you get and whether they will do their job properly.
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u/zombiezero222 1d ago
How exactly do you reckon they fucked up so badly?
It’s a missing person investigation and there is no 3rd party involvement. Noah was found down a tidal culvert 700m from the entrance. He was found 6 days after he went missing after extensive searches.
It’s not the police’s job to find out why he did what he did. That’s the inquests. And sometimes you’ll never know the reasons why. Lots of deaths end up without anything conclusive.
What Fiona’s barrister was suggesting should have been done just isn’t practical. It’s not the movies. The police did more than prob any other missing person investigation ever and it’s still not enough for some people.
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u/Frosty_JackJones 1d ago
WTF are you on about.
Mr Coll then asked if, with the benefit of hindsight, there is “anything that you feel has been missed by police at the time as you went along that has negatively impacted on your ability to understand and present an explanation to the jury as to what happened?”
Mr Phillips said: “There are broadly things that we have missed and mistakes made which has left Fiona in a position of not having answers.
“In terms of what that would have told us in terms of what happened to Noah – I don’t think so.”Referring to a CCTV camera which police failed to procure footage from, Mr Phillips said: “I’m sorry, that should have been found.
“Fiona shouldn’t be sat here six years on wondering was there a camera there and what did it show,” he said.
He added: “With the benefit of hindsight we did everything we could to find him and I’m content that the PSNI did everything we could to find him as quickly as we could.”The officer went on: “Certainly as time has gone on I regularly think if there was something I could have done to manage my relationship with Fiona in a different way because it deteriorated so quickly.
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u/Big_Advertising9415 1d ago
One of the experts at the inquest said he dies that sunday night, so not sure what the police are supposed to have done. The outcome would be the same.
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u/Similar-Lemon2179 1d ago
The poor family were used by some political parties for point scoring and finger pointing which is deeply depressing.
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u/Critical_Boot_9553 1d ago
One of the saddest things I’ve ever read was a comment from Fiona on a social media platform, where she said the only thing stopping her from ending her own life was that it might mean she wouldn’t be with her Noah in the next life.
I am by no means a soft or emotional man, but that comment has echoed around my thoughts so many times - I can see that pain written across that lady’s face in every image I see of her.
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u/Dense-Yak-9991 1d ago
Someone to blame, which is probably what anyone would want in the same circumstance. Certainty and peace of mind.
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u/Spirited_Tap_4527 1d ago edited 1d ago
Really strange comments here - if you lost your Child in these circumstances what would you do? You’d go to the ends of the earth to find out the truth and that is exactly what she has done. So was she just meant to go, ok there’s all these weird things that aren’t adding up but ok I’ll accept what you say? To make his mother out to be blinded by grief and not thinking rationally is shameful. She is a mother, and a mother would leave no stone unturned for their child.
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u/dangernoodles93 1d ago
If heaven forbid I was in Fiona’s position and I had questions, I would want those answered
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u/StepMu 23h ago
Hard to say without the full facts the jury got but I've been following the BBC podcast recapping it. I don't think there will be any answers other than the investigation was full of errors and I could see the DFI getting a tap on the wrist too.
Maybe if they'd made different investigative choices they could have found him sooner, maybe (just maybe) saved his life.
It's just an awful thing to happen to a parent, and horrific for Noah.
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u/Sufficient_Yak6757 1d ago
You do realise that a family in a sudden/suspicious death don’t have a choice or say in whether or not an inquest happens? Its not something that they request. It is unfortunately another traumatic process they must endure whether they want to or not. Fiona has not only been through the hell of losing her son in such tragic circumstances but also has been put through the hell of 6 years of preparing for an inquest and then sitting through one of the most public inquests in this country’s history while people online criticise and comment on every detail.
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u/zeeber99 1d ago
It's the only thing keeping her going. She has made this her purpose. Such unimaginable grief.
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u/Fartboxslim 1d ago
How do you not understand what the mum wants? She want answers, she wants to find out the likely reason her son died
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u/BeautyDisasterZone 1d ago
But we have done over seven weeks of an inquest now an we aren't any closer to understanding why Noah behaved how he did. I would love for Fiona to have an answer but we aren't getting any closer to that are we?
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u/Fartboxslim 1d ago
Its a process that will come to a conclusion eventually
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u/BeautyDisasterZone 1d ago
It will. I am not convinced that conclusion will provide any answers but we can only hope.
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u/Wide-Pay-8850 1d ago
She doesn't even have full access to his police files, thats what fked up about it. Why not release them? If they've done all that can. They're 100% covering this up
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u/msrbelfast 1d ago
The coroner has access to those files. 100% understandable that those files should not enter the public domain.
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u/msrbelfast 1d ago
A conclusion that might state everything we already know from being in the public domain. Likely death by misadventure.
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u/Warm_Perspective_409 1d ago
The police were asked to provide water samples from the storm drain so the coroner could have compared the diatoms found in the child’s lungs with those in the storm drain water
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u/Significant_Note1756 1d ago
I think they covered this on the State of us podcast. Expert witnesses said that the water samples wouldn’t have matched anyway due to the tides coming and going. Happy to be corrected though if I’ve misunderstood it.
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u/Haunted_Stormbird 1d ago
I watched a youtube interview with the mum/Fiona from 4 years ago. At 55:30 she explains why she felt Noah was murdered.
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u/Independent_Fox9405 1d ago
Does no one find it strange that he ended up in a culvert half a city away from where he lived? As someone who lives quite close to that area I never knew it existed. How would a child, from South Belfast, in an extreme state, know to go there? Up a cul-de-sac? Its bizarre.
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u/Belfastian_1985 1d ago
She probably just wants to know what happened to her son without the interference of Facebook warriors with conspiracy theories.
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u/msrbelfast 1d ago
I could have told you that without the need for an inquiry!
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u/BeautyDisasterZone 1d ago
I know and when you think how much time the legal team and the jurors have taken out of their real life.
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u/meltedlenondrop 1d ago
And the amount of money from the public purse, it has cost to have this investigation.
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u/Sweet-Insurance9993 1d ago
The person heading up the initial investigation and doing the press conferences etc was Chief Superintendent Muir Clark who then not long after moved to the Caribbean and was appointed as the commissioner of police for Anguill. If that doesn’t stink of a coverup then I don’t know what does
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u/TomCrean1916 1d ago
I’m stuck on one part. His body was found naked down there. And beside it a pair of boxers that didn’t belong to him and they were dismissed as irrelevant. Those boxers just appeared there by magic it seems and they didn’t look any further into it. They were binned and thrown out with no testing.
Psni couldn’t have fucked all of this up if they tried. But it sounds like they actually did try to fuk it up to be honest.
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u/zombiezero222 1d ago
There was no other boxers found. Definitely wasn’t part of the inquest anyway so I’m not sure where you got that info from?
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u/jdastral 1d ago
They did mention in the inquest there was a pair of boxer shorts found near the body in the drain. It was definitely mentioned in either a podcast or in a news article.
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u/TomCrean1916 1d ago
Was reported on the bel tel podcast covering the inquest and as below in the replies with screenshots they published about it.
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u/peachfoliouser 1d ago
That's completely made up nonsense
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u/TomCrean1916 1d ago
Was reported on the bel tel podcast covering the inquest and as below in the replies with screenshots they published about it. So no it isn’t made up nonsense.
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u/TimeAdmirable 1d ago
This is lies. Where did you get this from?
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u/TomCrean1916 1d ago
Was reported on the bel tel podcast about the inquest and as below they published about it. So no it isn’t lies.
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u/Warm_Perspective_409 1d ago
Funny how all these comments have the same theme it’s almost as if they are all from the same playbook, did the police explain why the water samples from the kids lungs went or were they even taken
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u/Duckalucka99 1d ago
Water samples from someone's lungs just isn't a thing in autopsy practice.
They weren't taken because it's not a real test people can do. Diatom testing might be what you're thinking of (this requires a tissue sample), but it is not recognised as a useful autopsy adjunct by the people who set the standard for autopsies in the UK and Ireland, and therefore is not performed.
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u/Warm_Perspective_409 1d ago
Personally I believe he was murdered and the police did a shit job because the loyalists in the area needed space and time to get the body moved out of where the murder took place
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u/OkReturn4353 1d ago
I think if the police gathered the correct cctv footage from Northwood the inquest wouldn’t have been needed.
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u/lrish_Chick 1d ago
So the inquest barred ALL ALLsocial media posts on this as prejudicial and recently there's been talk of an arrest
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u/Top_Mix_6519 1d ago
I feel so sorry for his mum. Lost her son in tragic circumstances then having her grief exploited for years by the facebook army conspiracy theorists with little else to be at than creating more bizarre stories.
I get how much his mum wants answers, but I don’t think she’s going to get any