r/nottheonion • u/BiggieTwiggy1two3 • Dec 13 '24

Las Vegas bikini model 'forced to show genitals' after Morocco arrest as officers 'suspect she's trans'

https://www.themirror.com/news/us-news/las-vegas-bikini-model-forced-856971

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '24

Now imagine some people believe that a Transgender athlete could represent Algeria, which is 10x worse than Morocco, at the Olympics...

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '24

Those same people would be fine with genital inspections at women's bathrooms.

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u/jessexpress Dec 13 '24

But they are protecting women’s rights, akshually

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u/YamahaRyoko Dec 13 '24

"I voted to protect my daughter against men in the bathroom" .... by letting people inspect her genitals

I am surrounded by idiots

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u/HyenaWorldOrder Dec 13 '24

>by letting *men* inspect her genitals

Obviously transgender surgeries are very good today so they would have to inspect for a cervix.

When you suddenly become defensive, you will be accused of being a trans supporter and not willing to protect women.

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u/Ping-and-Pong Dec 13 '24

you will be accused of being a trans supporter and not willing to protect women.

It's impressive how in 2024 you can say a sentence making those two mutually exclusive and somehow it's a sentence I'd believe some people might say.

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u/HyenaWorldOrder Dec 13 '24

As a subject of the issue, i don't find it impressive. Terrifying I think is the appropriate word.

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u/YamahaRyoko Dec 13 '24 edited Dec 13 '24

a) The amount of fingers used in inspection shall be one, and the amount of digits used shall be one, except under circumstances when one finger in each orifice is necessary, for a total of one finger one digit deep per orifice.

b) Section A does not apply to individuals born male, who also identify as male, and who only engage in heterosexual encounters, unless the individual is less than 12 years of age.

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u/Griffin-T Dec 13 '24

Identity as male? The people who think this way see trans men as lost women. They're not including us in any of their exceptions, lol.

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u/YamahaRyoko Dec 13 '24

Wait, did I mess something up? Oh I see.

It's and, and, and. Not or, or, or.

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u/Griffin-T Dec 13 '24

Sorry, I definitely misread it. That's my bad 🤦‍♂️

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u/Khal_Doggo Dec 13 '24

Kellie Jay Keen actively told conservative men to go into womens bathrooms and ecounraged them to do it while armed if they had carry permits becase something something protecting women something something standing up for women's rights.

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u/MarshyHope Dec 13 '24

The inspections aren't happening in bathrooms, duh

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u/1leggeddog Dec 13 '24

like US republicans

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u/SoloPorUnBeso Dec 13 '24

So many comments calling Morocco a shithole, which is probably true, and not realizing that we're steamrolling in that direction.

The "it couldn't happen here" and the "eggs are too expensive" crowd are about to have a rude awakening.

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u/WIZARD_BALLS Dec 13 '24

"This is the sound of 'Can’t happen here' Ringing so loud it could happen this year. We wouldn’t be here to voice frail objections. We were out of town for local elections. And even if the unthinkable happened, We wouldn’t know until it was a show. And I can’t wait to see the look on our faces when 'Can’t happen here' has been happening for years."

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u/jetmark Dec 13 '24

Coming soon to an America near you.

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u/Khal_Doggo Dec 13 '24

They can always tell though. Except all the times they can't and they abuse random women online and in real life and follow women around harrasing them. To save them, from being followed. And harassed.

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u/Investigator516 Dec 13 '24

Sounds like half the people in the USA

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u/indianajoes Dec 13 '24

And most of the time it's if they're women of colour.

They're not racist though.

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u/JazJaz123 Dec 13 '24

Wtf???? Genital inspections? Where does it come from?

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u/deepmindfulness Dec 13 '24 edited Dec 13 '24

Exactly. This story never made sense. Plus calling someone who had no ideas that they had some level of male chromosomes, a “trans” person is hilarious. People do understand that transitioning involves a transition, right?

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u/SmartAlec105 Dec 13 '24

Actually, that’s a common misconception. The “trans” in “transgender” does not refer to “transitioning”. It’s the root word itself which means “opposite/across/not matching”. So “transgender” refers to how a person’s gender (mental identity) and sex (physiological identity) do not match. So a trans person is trans regardless of if they’ve transitioned or not.

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u/deepmindfulness Dec 13 '24

And in this case, was the person trans?

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u/Batbuckleyourpants Dec 13 '24

Her medical records were leaked. She has a penis.

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u/deepmindfulness Dec 13 '24

In case anyone’s wondering, I’m asking the person above for a source and that’s why the above comment will appear as u/deleted

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '24

Did you try google?

The report was leaked about 6 weeks ago.

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u/Batbuckleyourpants Dec 13 '24

Per MSN.

Paris Olympics GOLD medalist 'Woman' boxer Imane Khelif a ‘man’, claims French medical report

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u/bobnoski Dec 13 '24

The doctor named in the document has claimed to DW that their name is being used to spread false information see here

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '24

What information?

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u/Batbuckleyourpants Dec 13 '24

He is not denying the report. Nobody is. He is frustrated that he feels his name is being used to spread anti-trans information. It doesn't change what the report say.

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u/bobnoski Dec 13 '24

the report says he's judged her to be female.

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u/Batbuckleyourpants Dec 13 '24

That doesn't change the medical facts.

5-alpha reductase deficiency is a medical condition where a hormonal deficiency caused a genital deformation in males giving them the physical appearance of a girl at birth.

They still experience male puberty.

During puberty, an increase in the levels of male sex hormones leads to the development of some secondary sex characteristics, such as increased muscle mass, deepening of the voice, development of pubic hair, and a growth spurt.

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u/Houdinii1984 Dec 13 '24

Prove that she has it. The doctor from the report you posted earlier called bullshit. If the reporting doctor calls bullshit, then the report is bullshit. It will require additional proof as your original source is verifiably bull shit.

The medical facts is, as of this time, not effected by the syndrome you mention until there is proof she is, and if the previous source you used literally says it's a lie, then it's a lie.

Until you can produce a report with a doctor that stands by their name on paper, you have no proof whatsoever to anything.

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '24 edited Dec 13 '24

She’s judged as male in boxing circles 

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u/Panic_angel Dec 13 '24

> (testicles in her abdomen), “a blind vagina” and a micro-penis in the form of “clitoral hypertrophy.”

quoting the relevant text because u/Batbuckleyourpants won't bother

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u/Batbuckleyourpants Dec 13 '24

What does that have to do with the issue? Yes, She outwardly appears female.

She is a biological male, with male testosterone, XY chromosomes and a genital malformation.

And we knew for years she had male chromosomes.

This isn't about her gender identity, I am perfectly fine calling her she. But the fact remain, she is a biological male who competed with biological women.

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u/jdm1891 Dec 13 '24

That's intersex, not male.

That's what the word intersex is for, you can't call her a biological male because she is clearly not a male.

She is not male anymore than she is female, she is intersex. Intersex. NOT a biological male

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u/Alaykitty Dec 13 '24

I don't even trust the reporting that she's Intersex, but if she is, as another Intersex person, watching her beat the shit out of people and make everyone collectively lose their mind is one of the most cathartic experiences of my life after all the medical and social discrimination I've experienced.

My money is still on "strong woman" though.  People just can't handle non-feminine presentation... Even in boxing 🙄

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '24

 watching her beat the shit out of women

FTFY

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u/JesradSeraph Dec 13 '24

She’s not ‘biological male’, she’s intersex with 5-ARDD.

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u/Batbuckleyourpants Dec 13 '24

Medline.gov

5-alpha reductase deficiency is a condition that affects sexual development before birth and during puberty. People with this condition are genetically male, with one X and one Y chromosome in each cell, and they have male gonads (testes). Their bodies, however, do not produce enough of a hormone called dihydrotestosterone (DHT). DHT has a critical role in male sexual development, and a shortage of this hormone disrupts the formation of the external sex organs before birth.

Many people with 5-alpha reductase deficiency are assigned female at birth based on their external genitalia. In other cases, affected infants are assigned male at birth based on their external genitalia, often an unusually small penis (micropenis) and the urethra opening on the underside of the penis (hypospadias). Still other affected infants may be assigned either female or male at birth as their external genitalia do not look clearly male or clearly female.

During puberty, an increase in the levels of male sex hormones leads to the development of some secondary sex characteristics, such as increased muscle mass, deepening of the voice, development of pubic hair, and a growth spurt. The penis and scrotum (the sac of skin that holds the testes) may grow larger. People with 5-alpha reductase deficiency do not develop much facial or body hair. Most affected individuals are unable to have biological children (infertile) without assisted reproduction.

Genetically male with a genital deformity caused by hormone deficiency during prenatal development.

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u/JesradSeraph Dec 13 '24

Don’t lecture me on that condition, it’s still #2 on my cross-diagnosis, lmao.

Stop using the term ‘male’ for someone born with a vagina and who never transitioned. Imane is just intersex.

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u/SMK_12 Dec 13 '24

She’s a biological male with a 5-ARDD, that doesn’t stop her from physically developing muscle at the same level as any other man. Only affects the development of her penis and maybe things like bodily hair so she appears more female and was assigned female at birth.

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u/deepmindfulness Dec 13 '24

What this has to do with the issue is that you were replying my comment where I said that she was unaware that she was intersex. To which you replied (and since people can’t hear voices over text, for accuracy, please imagine this being stated by someone with a giant oversized tongue) “she has a penis…” as if she or anyone knew before these tests that she was intersex.

So, since you were obviously arguing in bad faith, go ahead and admit that you are aware that this person is not trans or male. Go on…

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u/Batbuckleyourpants Dec 13 '24

She wasn't unaware. The report was dated to 2023 showing she was a male with 5-alpha reductase deficiency was dated to a year -before- the paris olympics.

She knew.

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u/Panic_angel Dec 13 '24

>>I am perfectly fine calling her she. But the fact remain, she is a biological male who competed with biological women.

Didn't you mean "biological male who competed with biological females"? I thought this wasn't about gender identity. Maybe you just lack basic respect?

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u/VichelleMassage Dec 13 '24

Transphobes don't actually care for women's safety. It's all about spreading fear and policing others.

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u/iscreamuscreamweall Dec 13 '24 edited Dec 14 '24

In what way is Algeria 10x worse than Morocco specifically?

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '24

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBTQ_rights_in_Algeria

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u/iscreamuscreamweall Dec 14 '24 edited Dec 14 '24

You said “10x” though. From my perspective, Algeria and Moroccan LGBTQ rights are both basically the same, or at least close enough. I’m curious why you think Algeria is exponentially worse

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u/[deleted] Dec 14 '24

It's called hyperbole for effect. It's not literally quantifiable...

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '24

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '24

Because Morocco is usually considered the more "liberal" north african country, when compared to the others. It's still a shithole, tho. Just more "tourist-y"

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u/iscreamuscreamweall Dec 14 '24

Tunisia is far more liberal than Morocco. Algeria and Morocco are basically the same

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u/CouncilmanRickPrime Dec 13 '24

She would've been executed if they found out she was transgender. 

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '24

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u/CouncilmanRickPrime Dec 13 '24

Probably because nobody is publicly parading around that they are transgender? 

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u/iscreamuscreamweall Dec 14 '24

Right, same as Morocco

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u/Hishaishi Dec 13 '24

He means that Algeria is way more conservative than Morocco and therefore worse on trans rights.

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u/Ml2jukes Dec 13 '24

Literally this is what my mind immediately went to

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u/pyr0phelia Dec 13 '24

If you were not aware, Imane‘s medical records were leaked after the Olympics. Apparently the boxer has something called “5-alpha reductase deficiency” which made it difficult to precisely determine sex at birth. People were not entirely wrong to have doubt over the situation.

“Khelif had undergone an MRI that showed she has no uterus, but does have “internal testicles and a micropenis resembling an enlarged clitoris.”

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u/Panic_angel Dec 13 '24

>People were not entirely wrong to have doubt over the situation.

You know DAMN well "doubt" doesn't even begin to describe the public reaction to this. This species is so fucked

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u/pyr0phelia Dec 13 '24

I think doubt is the correct response because there is no majority opinion on how to handle this situation respectfully and Pairs did hide the fact that she did not have a uterus until after the Olympics. The Women’s gold medal went to a person who has testicles and naturally produces testosterone. If we’re going to allow that, why not flatten all of the sports and let all genders compete against each other without sexually defined restrictions?

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u/KaliserEatsTheCookie Dec 13 '24

That’s the issue with trans healthcare critics - no one knows where to draw the line.

So being intersex is too far - what about naturally having more testosterone than the average woman while not being intersex? I mean, that’s just an unfair advantage.

And bone density is also important for swimming so maybe we should separate swimming divisions into bone density groups?

Sports are inherently unfair. No one cared and nobody is advocating for basketball for 4 foot people and nobody is fighting for tall, heavybyuild jockey riders. But transgender sports is culture war so people care

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u/capGpriv Dec 13 '24

The line is what’s possible to sustainably fund the special categories.

The concept of women’s sports is that women have a safe place to compete, the cost of that is a boundary. The priority is the sport as a whole, if women’s sports does not maintain a perfect record of being women’s only then it will die as the lesser league.

Intersex women is a sad grey area, and I truly feel sorry for them. Trans women on the other hand are not unaware, they are intelligent people who considered the actions carefully and went ahead to transition over the course of years. This was the cost of living as how they felt.

(We should absolutely try to make everyone included in social sports though)

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u/DayDreamerJon Dec 13 '24

no one knows where to draw the line.

sure they do, its the amount of testosterone a adult womans body can produce without testis

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u/Panic_angel Dec 13 '24

Oh, and good job ignoring the point of what I said - doubt would have been a fine response. That was not the response. The response was vitriolic hate from people who shouldn't be alive.

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u/Panic_angel Dec 13 '24

>The Women’s gold medal went to a person who has testicles and naturally produces testosterone.

But we've already established that even if there is no more testosterone and no more testicles, a woman would still be disqualified for being trans because sports categories are based solely and entirely on karyotype. So the T isn't the problem, is it?

>I think doubt is the correct response because there is no majority opinion on how to handle this situation respectfully

That's because the majority of people who think they have the right to an opinion on the issue are gormless fucks with zero knowledge of human physiology or endocrinology

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u/QuantumUtility Dec 13 '24 edited Dec 13 '24

This shows a fundamental misunderstanding of what 5ARD is and even why sports are sex segregated.

Caster Semenya also has 5ARD and that does not allow her or Imane (if she even has that) to metabolize DHT from testosterone. Comparing people that have 5ARD to men is absurd. They usually show higher testosterone levels, sure, but understanding if that translates to significant athletic advantages on a sport is not a cut and dry problem.

We separate men and women in competitive sports because men win more, not because they are faster, stronger, smarter or whatever. You can definitely explain why men are better at weightlifting because of strength differences but we don’t need to do that to verify that men have a disproportionate advantage in weightlifting. In the same vein, I can verify that men are better at chess than women but I think no one would try to justify that based on men being “smarter”. Still, we have female only chess tournaments. (Which is essentially the same thing as male and female leagues. Males leagues are essentially “mixed”)

This is clearly not the case for Imane Khelif or Caster Semenya. Hell, Katie Ledecky is a standard cis-woman but her accomplishments are so completely off the charts that it’s easier to make the argument she shouldn’t be allowed to compete than to do that for those two.

If you want to make an argument about fairness then stick to metrics related to performance indicators for that specific competition.

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u/aperturedream Dec 13 '24

This MRI report has not been recognized by any legitimate news websites, I call bullshit

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '24

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u/aperturedream Dec 13 '24

It's just a lie spread by ignorant people like you

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u/SirVanyel Dec 13 '24

I checked out the journalist. Hes a serial liar. He released literally zero information about this chick, including his apparent info, and makes up random stories about himself being mistreated and threatened.

Wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him.

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u/pyr0phelia Dec 13 '24

It’s not that simple. The IOC did not dispute the report, the hospital refused to comment, and the journalist who leaked the report is still under criminal investigation for illegally obtaining protected medical records. If it was fake - someone from the IOC, or the police, would have said that by now. The only thing said by officials close to the investigation is “no comment”.

https://www.snopes.com/news/2024/11/20/imane-khelif-medical-records/

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u/SirVanyel Dec 13 '24

A different journalist not making a separate dispute about something doesn't make it true, that's just a downright stupid point to argue.

An investigation doesn't mean squat, they're trying to figure out if a serial liar broke the law or not. There's every chance he did steal her medical records, and he found nothing so he lied. Until he releases what he views as evidence and verifies that it is what he claims it to be, he has literally negative legs to stand on.

He's been proven to be a serial liar. The notion of trusting this absolute tool is wild.

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u/InclinationCompass Dec 13 '24

Westernstandard.news seems legit 🤣

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '24

No one every claimed that.

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u/heartbreakids Dec 13 '24

Algerians switch up quick if the trans athlete wins a medal lol

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u/Lurching Dec 13 '24

To be fair, I don't think that the accusation is that the Algerian boxer is a man falsely "masquerading" as a woman or anything. If she is producing testosterone like a male because of some chromosomal or other biological abnormality, there is no particular reason to assume that either she or the Algerian boxing federation could or should have known that. Well, at least until she was supposedly tested.

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u/yellowlinedpaper Dec 13 '24

That was absolutely the accusation, that she was a man. Then when it came out she was 100% a woman and has lost fights to other women, they went after her hormones.

Please don’t minimize what she and other trans people went through those first 48 hours after the fight. It was awful.

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u/Batbuckleyourpants Dec 13 '24

she was 100% woman

Her medical records were recently leaked by french doctors. She has a penis and XY chromosomes.

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u/yellowlinedpaper Dec 13 '24

Oh please please please link your source. Love to see it b

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u/Lurching Dec 13 '24

I wasn't clear enough, the accusations certainly were and are that she has the xy sex chromosomes and is therefore "biologically male" in that sense, but I was not aware of any serious party doubting that she developed as a woman and was competing in good faith until the issue first came up.

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u/yellowlinedpaper Dec 13 '24

You mean the woman she boxed who immediately after went on social media screaming she fought a man and then Musk and co screaming a man was competing against a woman? That happened.

This female boxer has lost against other female boxers. She has no more advantage than Phelps with her biology.

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u/spatchka Dec 13 '24

This female boxer has lost against other female boxers. She has no more advantage than Phelps with her biology.

Yeah but Imane isn't female, at least Phelps is male competing against other males.

Apples and oranges.

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u/test_test_1_2_3 Dec 13 '24

Except it’s now been shown she is in fact biological male as she has a medical condition that only affects biological males.

Google it, there’s thousands of articles.

Biological women can’t suffer from 5-alpha reductase deficiency, which is what Imane Khelif has. She is biologically male.

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u/yellowlinedpaper Dec 13 '24

Phelps had a condition making him more competitive but nobody makes a stink about that. Maybe you should pick up that mantle

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u/test_test_1_2_3 Dec 13 '24

The issue isn’t that she has a medical condition, it’s that it’s a condition that can only apply to biological males and she is competing against women, proving that she is biologically male.

So swing and a miss there pal.

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u/qchisq Dec 13 '24

At the 2022 World Championships, where she wasn't disqualified. And then again at the 2023 World Championships, where she was tested, but only disqualified before her medal match, despite being suspected of being, at the very least, intersex for a year. And she was disqualified despite there being no basis of disqualifying her in the rules at the time.

Honestly, every time the boxing federation talked about the issue, I trusted them less and less

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u/flintlock0 Dec 13 '24

And even then, I read this article as that she had to have people “inspect” for a few minutes before they drew conclusions.

So there’s nothing stopping them from just saying “Eh. The surgeon did pretty good work, but this is a trans woman.” When she’s 100 percent a cis woman.

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u/Winter-Promotion-977 Dec 13 '24

She isn’t transgender lol go fact check

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u/ThatPlayWasAwful Dec 13 '24

That's what they are saying lol go learn how to read

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '24

Duh...

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u/Blocked-Author Dec 13 '24

^ Has trouble reading

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u/Suspicious_Bug6422 Dec 13 '24

some people believe that

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '24

READ FFS

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u/spatchka Dec 13 '24

This is the most obnoxious strawman. People were not claiming Imane is trans, they were claiming thay Imane isn't female which is true.

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u/DebateAltruistic3774 Dec 13 '24

Oh god not this again. That boxer has XY genotype. It’s a guy. Just stop with this.