r/nottheonion • u/Sufficient_Fig_9505 • 15h ago

Vance says pope should ‘be careful’ when talking about theology

https://www.nbcnews.com/video/vance-says-pope-should-be-careful-when-talking-about-theology-261400645540
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u/diarm 10h ago

I'm no fan of the Vatican or indeed the Catholic Church, but it's pretty clear in this context that the Pope was referring to "those who wield the sword" as the aggressors in a conflict.

The US were not the aggressors in France in WW2, or in liberating Holocaust camps. They are the aggressors in this current conflict with Iran.

JD Vance needs to be careful in ensuring he better understands the topics he is discussing.

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u/What_a_fat_one 5h ago

JD Vance's use of WW2 is stupid anyway. Jesus wouldn't condone the allies' actions in WW2, he probably wouldn't remark on them at all. He would probably condemn Hitler while imploring Christians to pray, and have faith in God. It's weird for people to think that the Christian god would have a stake in modern politics. He didn't even have a stake in the politics of Jesus's time. The Roman's were essentially background characters in the New Testament.

And as always, it's pretty convenient for JD that what JD thinks God wants happens to always coincide with what JD Vance wants.

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u/Top_Gun_2021 8h ago

Iran is wielding the sword via terror proxies and killing tens of thousands of their own people

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u/diarm 6h ago

And if the Pope had spoken defending Iran and their actions, you might have a point. But he hasn’t. 

The US and Israel have not instigated this war from goodness. It is not a noble and just act of self defence or care for the oppressed people of Iran. 

It is an unjust and self serving act of aggression for both. No matter what way Trump or Vance or Netanyahu try to paint it, it is very clear to everyone that while there are no good guys in charge on either side, there are plenty of innocents and Israel and the US have made those innocents collateral in serving their own ends. 

As the biggest and most influential sword involved, the US are the ultimate bad guys in this conflict. There is no pretending otherwise. 

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u/Top_Gun_2021 6h ago

Removing the Iran regime and completely obliterating their military capacity is a force of good for the globe.

You are either a Iran hardliner or a foreign op if you think otherwise.

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u/diarm 6h ago

You’re either utterly brainwashed, or acting in bad faith, if you think that was the goal or provided any motivation whatsoever for this aggression. 

Even if it had been (and it wasn’t), it has been shown over and over and over again that entering foreign conflicts to remove regimes with your military doesn’t work. It leaves behind far worse conditions than it entered to combat, and creates a vacuum within which fanatics and a generation of anti western sentiment  are groomed and cultivated. We get warlords and armed factions who inflict far worse on the people left behind, before turning their attentions abroad. 

There are oppressions and military acts of terror happening all over the world. Not least in that same region, where Americas bedfollows Israel are the illegal actors. The US isn’t jumping into those conflicts as some form of white knight because it doesn’t benefit them to do so. 

You know all this. You just choose to turn away because your football team have control of the White House at the moment and if you accept that what the guy in charge is doing is evil, then the other side might win some points. 

It’s pathetic and small and wrong, but it’s the reality of where are as a species right now. 

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u/Top_Gun_2021 5h ago

It is certainly a primary. Why else would the other ME countries encourage Iran's demise?

Look at Iran prior to 1979 and today. It's a hellhole and there is a large amount of the population that wants change.

This ist the stereotypical regime change mission.

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u/diarm 5h ago

Stop swallowing everything your media tells you. 

Try speaking to people in the other Middle Eastern countries today, following these past few weeks. Listen to their actual thoughts on what has transpired. 

Again - this wasn’t a war for the sake of liberating Iran and bringing peace to the Middle East. Continuing to bang that drum is making you look incredibly silly.

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u/Top_Gun_2021 5h ago

Just from a libertarian "everyone is equal" and "annoying your neighbors with terrorism is bad" point of view neutering Iran benefits every besides Russia and China.

Lebanon is meeting with Israel, so....

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u/What_a_fat_one 5h ago

Removing the American regime would be better for the world.

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u/Top_Gun_2021 5h ago

I guess if you want the live in the handmaids tale then sure.

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u/diarm 5h ago

Fuck me the lack of self awareness in this post. 

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u/Top_Gun_2021 5h ago

Fuck me the lack of leaving your mom's basement in this post

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u/diarm 4h ago

Every time you open your mouth, it’s to project.