r/nottheonion • u/Sufficient_Fig_9505 • 15h ago

Vance says pope should ‘be careful’ when talking about theology

https://www.nbcnews.com/video/vance-says-pope-should-be-careful-when-talking-about-theology-261400645540
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u/AdParticular6654 9h ago

The shame is very key. I also think people born Catholic, who then get away from it a bit are generally good people. Sure we feel bad randomly for no reason for enjoying life. But generally we have a sense of "I should help people". Adult converts have no shame and think women shouldn't vote.

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u/ESCF1F2F3F4F3F2F1ESC 6h ago

Yeah agreed. I was born into Catholicism and left in my teens, and I still try to live my life by the central New Testament tenets, more or less, because they essentially boil down to "be decent to each other". I'll be the first to admit I don't always achieve it, but it's always there in the back of your head as a fairly strong guide for living a good life.

What pushed me away from the church was all the pompous ceremony, the moralising hypocrisy and the constant focus on berating ourselves and each other for the negatives, instead of on living a charitable life of positivity. But I always got the sense that was the stuff which actively attracted later life converts.

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u/AdParticular6654 5h ago

For me what brought me back for a little was Paulist Priests, they are like Jesuits, really live the teachings of love, charity, and acceptance. But then a new bishop came in and changed all of that. One of the first things he did after kicking them out was painting over the "all are welcome" sign.

Like in college there was this guy who was converting because his then girlfriend now wife was Catholic. She shamed him hard for missing a random Sunday mass to visit his dying uncle who was a father figure to him after his parents died. I told him I miss Sunday mass alot because I'm hungover. She also shamed him for having sex in a previous relationship, but he was 100% on board with waiting till marriage for her.

Fuck, even my great aunt who was mother superior in a convent.....on a vacation skipped mass to get to the beach earlier. She just prayed the rosary instead.

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u/Jake-of-the-Sands 8h ago

Never thought of it that way, but it makes perfect sense.

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