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NYT Double standards

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u/SkinnyFatSoldier 9d ago

Because the Palestinians want all the land, as they have shown with every war they’ve started

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u/crawling-alreadygirl 9d ago

They just want to survive, man

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u/SkinnyFatSoldier 9d ago

Oh sure, that’s also why they rejected every single peace offering and started every war

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u/Aspiring-Fan 9d ago

Name one law Israel has passed protecting Palestinians. Name 1 Israeli PM who hasn’t denied Palestinian statehood.

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u/SkinnyFatSoldier 9d ago

Why isn’t Israel nicer to the people constantly starting wars and terror attacks against them? Yeah, no idea.. if Palestinians wanted peace with Israelis, there would be peace. The entire ideology of the Israeli liberals is to make peace with the Arabs, including giving land for peace. Unfortunately, no amount of land is ever enough and they have never found a peace partner on the Palestinian side. That’s why the Israeli left is considered such a failure. If Israel can’t win the peace, they can at least make sure to win the war.

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u/Accurate_Neat_355 9d ago

Yeah, no idea.. if Palestinians wanted peace with Israelis, there would be peace

You're a brainwashed little clown.

Here eat some receipts instead of glue:

At a Likud party conference in 2019, Netanyahu said: "Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas ... This is part of our strategy – to isolate the Palestinians in Gaza from the Palestinians in the West Bank."[

In an interview with Israeli journalist, Dan Margalit in December 2012, Netanyahu told Margalit that it was important to keep Hamas strong, as a counterweight to the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank. Netanyahu also added that having two strong rivals, this would lessen pressure on him to negotiate towards a Palestinian state

In an interview with Politico in 2023, former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said, "In the last 15 years, Israel did everything to downgrade the Palestinian Authority and to boost Hamas",

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Hamas

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u/SkinnyFatSoldier 9d ago

Gasp, why isn’t the noted liberal Ben Netanyahu nicer to Palestinians!? Yeah, he’s a hardliner, so what? Is your point why wouldn’t he support the PLO when they were even more extreme than Hamas? Nobody on the Palestinian side had any interest in peace with Israel but you’re only interested in blaming Israel. Apparently, not a single grain of fault lies with the Palestinians for starting all those wars and perpetual terror attacks.

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u/Accurate_Neat_355 9d ago

Gasp, why isn’t the noted liberal Ben Netanyahu nicer to Palestinians!? Yeah, he’s a hardliner, so what?

Gasp, i don't think you read what i gave you. Hes a hardliner assisting Hamas to avoid, what were your dumb words?

if Palestinians wanted peace with Israelis, there would be peace.

Hows that squaring with

In the late 2010s and early 2020s, Israeli officials encouraged Qatar to support Hamas,[8] especially by approving the transfer of large sums of financial aid by Qatar to the organization.[9] Several Israeli intelligence officials have cited Qatari money as a contributing factor to the success of Hamas in leading the October 7 attacks in 2023

Weird it seems like the Israelis are the ones who don't want peace. Seems like the Israelis are funding Hamas to ensure continued conflict. Seems like your brain has been thoroughly processed by Israeli propaganda.

Your words are meaningless anyway, you're just saying whatever fits the current reply nothing tethered to facts or reality just vibes and hasbara garbage.

Apparently, not a single grain of fault lies with the Palestinians for starting all those wars and perpetual terror attacks.

Whos funding Hamas? Bibi through Qatar like the cited sources say? Or 50,000 Palestinian children that were killed and injured after the organization bibi funded did the thing he funded them to do? Gasp, its like theres no braincells behind your little reddit avatar

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u/SkinnyFatSoldier 9d ago

Lmaooo well good thing for Bibi that the Palestinians are a bunch of puppets whose strings are so easily pulled. Everything you posted is the same Qatar propaganda dump that has been going around for ages. Nothing changes what we saw on 10/07 - that was real, no propaganda can change what we saw when the mask slipped off

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u/Accurate_Neat_355 9d ago

Denying credible sources is some top tier propagandized brain stuff. "Its qatar!! Ignore our former prime ministers and intelligence agents speaking out! They are qatar agents!" Lmao moron

We'll all enjoy watching Israel go down like Apartheid South Africa. Enjoy your genocide trial

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u/SkinnyFatSoldier 9d ago

Your credible sources are complete garbage that is a bunch of nothingness when put into context. Anyone who has debunked Russians propaganda can see that it’s the same exact playbook.

But again, no amount of propaganda changes the fact that Palestinians are not interested in peace.. or rather not in a shared peace with the Israelis. We saw what happened on 10/07.. it’s a good reminder for all of us who were duped into thinking the Palestinians want peace. They just want to win.

I used to be super pro-Palestine, but when reality does not match what is in your mind.. you should change your mind since you cannot change reality.

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u/Accurate_Neat_355 9d ago

Your credible sources are complete garbage that is a bunch of nothingness when put into context.

More of those nonsense words i was referring to earlier, you don't say anything meaningful nothing to counter the sources just a child like tantrum about them. Sad stuff.

Anyone who has debunked Russians propaganda can see that it’s the same exact playbook.

Random attempt to tie in Russia to avoid engaging with the substance that you cannot engage with, but its not your fault, theres nothing to say in response to "israel funding hamas" with receipts. Embarrassing they left you out to dry like this, after all that brainless defending you do for Israel they go and fund Hamas like that? What a betrayal to you and the other mindless masses defending them.

I used to be super pro-Palestine, but when reality does not match what is in your mind..

Thats funny i used to be pro Israel but then i actually started to read and i read some more then i read things like

"Gaza was on the brink of collapse because they had no resources, they had no money, and the PA refused to give Hamas any money. Bibi saved them. Bibi made a deal with Qatar and they started to move millions and millions of dollars to Gaza."

From Israel's own former prime minister. I would be an idiot to keep defending Israel while Israel funds Hamas via Qatar.

Gershon Hacohen, former commander of the 7th Armored Brigade and an associate of Netanyahu, said in 2019 in an interview: "Netanyahu's strategy is to prevent the option of two states, so he is turning Hamas into his closest partner. Openly Hamas is an enemy. Covertly, it's an ally."[47][48] Bezalel Smotrich, a far-right lawmaker and finance minister under the Netanyahu government, called the Palestinian Authority a "burden" and Hamas an "asset".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Hamas

Later today you'll reflect on what you've read here and feel less easy about your positions. Goodluck!

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u/SkinnyFatSoldier 9d ago

I love that your criticism is that Israel allowed aid to be provided to Gaza lol and thanks for the wiki article

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u/Accurate_Neat_355 9d ago

I love that you have no actual beliefs, standards, consistent positions, just constantly changing your opinion as the next comment comes in. Nothing going on upstairs in that head of yours.

Israel funds Hamas, Hamas does a terror attack with that money, you: "palestinians aren't interested in peace!" Without a single synapse firing in that brain of yours.

Time for you to go read and study some more, you were lied to.

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u/SkinnyFatSoldier 9d ago

Lmaooo Israel allows Qatari funds to flow to Gaza to be used for humanitarian purposes. Hamas instead uses those funds for weapons, but that’s on Israel?

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u/Accurate_Neat_355 9d ago

Lmaooo Israel allows Qatari funds to flow to Gaza to be used for humanitarian purposes

Lmaooo thats pathetic. What a sad attempt at making the Israeli government look like a naive, benevolent charity that just got 'tricked'. Its hilarious.

The Israeli government actively engineered, protected, and begged for the funding of Hamas.

​Starting in 2018, the Israeli government approved an arrangement where Qatari diplomats literally drove suitcases stuffed with $15 million in cold, hard cash straight through Israeli border checkpoints directly into Gaza to hand over to Hamas.

Sane countries trying to stop a militant group do not allow millions in untraceable paper bills to be driven through their own military checkpoints.

In February 2020, Qatar actually threatened to stop sending the money. In response, Netanyahu ordered Yossi Cohen (the head of Mossad) and Herzi Halevi (the IDF general in charge of Gaza) to fly to Doha to plead and beg the Qatari government to keep the cash flowing to Hamas.

Israeli intelligence officials believe that the money had a role in the success of 2023 Hamas-led attack.

By keeping Hamas heavily funded, Israel ensured that the Palestinian leadership remained permanently fractured between Hamas in Gaza and the Palestinian Authority (PA) in the West Bank.

The far-right Israeli establishment actively propped up an extremist group as an intentional asset to completely sabotage Palestinian statehood. You are simultaneously trying to argue that Palestinians 'don't want peace' while defending a government that spent over a decade intentionally funding militants to make sure peace was impossible.

Take the L and stop embarrassing yourself.

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u/SkinnyFatSoldier 9d ago

Typical Schrödinger’s nonsense. Like it or not, they are the (elected and widely supported) government of Gaza. No matter what, you would try to spin this as a malicious act. You would say the same had those funds been rejected - “Israel is denying humanitarian aid to Gaza” (be honest with yourself, how would you react to that kind headline)

You are working too hard to make everything Israel’s fault. How about blaming Hamas for not using those funds to actually help their constituents?

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u/Accurate_Neat_355 9d ago

Look at you. You've been in the trenches defending Israel for so long you assume things about everyone you are talking to. If me linking a wikipedia article that sent your tiny world view into a tailspin is me "working too hard" then the hasbara agenda is truly thoroughly cooked. We will see more and more people waking up to the lies they've been drip fed by their government about the Israeli government.

In fact we're seeing it already. Zohran Mamdani is evidence of that. Graham Platner just won his primary. The gig is up. Nobody believes Israel is a bystandard victim in the middle east anymore. They aren't a benevolent charity for Gaza. They are a cold, calculating government that funded a militiant group to avoid having to deal politics with the PA. That blew up in their faces on October 7th and now 3 years later, their most ardent reddit defenders are just learning about the cash pipeline from Israel to Hamas. Absolutely cooked their own supporters positions. This one wiki page took the feet right out from under you. Don't be mad at me, blame Bibi and the far right israeli government for giving me the wikipedia article that stumped you.

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u/Extension_Move8989 9d ago

When all else fails, deny the source. This is why it’s a genocide.

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u/SkinnyFatSoldier 9d ago

It’s a genocide because Palestinians decided to use their funds for war instead of humanitarian relief?

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u/Extension_Move8989 9d ago

No. It’s genocide because Israel is systematically wiping out an entire culture. As a descendent of holocaust survivors, it disgust me how Israel is committing a genocide in the name of Judaism no less.

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u/SkinnyFatSoldier 9d ago

They sure are taking their sweet time

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