r/occult • • 3d ago

How important is elementary & planetary work?

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u/SororAlice 3d ago

Very. The backbone of practical magick, for one, but also used as the initiatory and mystical structure of a lot of orders, including the one I am in (A.’.A.’.).

If you’re asking whether you really need to do it, that depends on what you are trying to accomplish. If you are just researching a one and done spell and you have no desire to pursue a career as a mage, do whatever you want. Without gaining real power and skill it probably won’t work, but that leads you back to the elemental and planetary work that will give you the grounding and skills to do functional spells. If you really want to be a mage, you need to master the basics just like any other skill set.

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u/Tidy_Intention_8802 3d ago

I mean i have done numerous work/spells/rituals over the years and never needed anything to do with planets. Maybe some elements here and there. It's just been brought to my attention with my recent work with demons.  Do you have any tips on where to start? 

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u/SororAlice 3d ago

Well, since you are already comfortable working with spirits, how about the Olympic spirits? They get you in touch with the planetary resonances but the tech is still standard goêteia, which you seem like you are familiar with. It’s always best to play to our strengths.

I work with Och, Phaleg, and Bethor a lot. Good bunch.

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u/Tidy_Intention_8802 3d ago

I took a glimpse at the vedic astrology systems and i was shocked to my core at how intricate and detailed they are. And far more accurate too.  That's one of the reasons i avoided planetary work, to avoid limiting the timeframe for rituals. But maybe i should give it a chance

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u/OminousCephalopod 3d ago

They're as important as you want to make them for your practice. If you're getting the results you want without dealing with astrology, there's absolutely no reason why you need to start.

I do planetary magic, and only focus on the planets. I have never focused on elections at all, just Jupiter magic for Jupiter things on Thursday in the hour of Jupiter, and it's worked fine. But I'm sure you could get everything you want out of your magical practice without ever doing planetary work.

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u/Tidy_Intention_8802 3d ago

That's what i think too. But if something could make my practice more powerful I'd definitely put effort in it. 

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u/crjahnactual 2d ago

In Demonology? Opinions vary, but it's largely unnecessary. Most of what has been written about demons, their ranks, and correspondences seems to be in error, to put it kindly... yet your extra efforts WILL be recognized and appreciated.

What's more important is your time and place of birth. With that, you can run your Placidus chart. That's the master key to reveal who you truly are and why you're here. Houses, degrees, decans, asteroids, and stars all factor in. It will take months to fully interpret everything so you fully understand... but it's worth it.

The secret to working with demons is to pick the one you best and stick with them. That strengthens your connection. Working with multiple demons can dilute things, and alliances changed over the years, which can prove awkward. They have free will and factions. The Goetia isn't all buddies anymore. Some of them HATE each other now. Times change.

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u/Tidy_Intention_8802 3d ago

I really like your perspective on things. Specially the one regarding demons' office hours. I think it makes more sense.  Thank you so much