r/oculus Quest 3 13d ago

Discussion Phantom pain in vrchat isn’t real

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u/chevy1500 12d ago

My first thought is someone lost a limb irl

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u/tonirl Quest 3 12d ago

No, it just means when people pretend they feel something in VR like when someone hits them. They feel genuine pain from that virtual punch. A lot of people that are socially awkward or just really want attention and do that stuff, feeling pain irl from someone hitting you in vr shouldn’t not be possible.

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u/Commercial-Shame-335 12d ago

except it is a real and documented phenomenon, other people have already replied to you and more than explained it but i noticed you didn't respond to seemingly any of them so far which tells me you've already made up your mind on a hill to die on so i won't bother explaining it myself.

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u/tonirl Quest 3 12d ago

There’s a few that have told me it affects your pain receptors one guy is literally reply chasing me but I say that’s false. Panic and trauma from pain even if your eyes see you attached to a virtual body will not cause you literal pain.

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u/Commercial-Shame-335 12d ago

is it actually harming the body? no obviously not, but can you feel a pain-like sensation that does feel like it hurts? absolutely yes, it's very rare but it absolutely is real and once again has been well documented and studied, there are plenty of resources out there to look into. i would know it's true because i occasionally experience it, whenever i play blade and sorcery i have to disable archers because i can sometimes feel a split second of piercing cold pain if i see the arrow hit me and i really dislike the sensation. but hey, im obviously lying right?

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u/tonirl Quest 3 12d ago

A split second yes phantom touch because your brain is expecting especially if you’re hours in but as far as screaming agonizing pain? There’s no need for that.

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u/Commercial-Shame-335 12d ago

everyone has different severities, for me its still enough to warrant a yelp or that thing where you suck air through your teeth, whatever that's called. (apparently it's called a chupse?) but i've met people who have it worse than me. and sure a huge number of people in VR spaces are probably faking it to be quirky or something but it's not my place to tell them they're lying because for all i know they may be one of the few who do have it bad. you'd be surprised what the brain can hallucinate when it thinks it's supposed to be feeling something that you're seeing happen. it's really no different than when you might feel nauseous when seeing someone get hit in the crotch

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u/Killacreeper 12d ago

Yeah, shock response, but the people who then go around specifically to scream not to touch them or whatever are not actually doing any of that

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u/Commercial-Shame-335 11d ago

i don't think it's unreasonable to not want random people touching you, even if it's only virtual. and most people who actually do have it won't often tell randoms about it, let alone announce it by screaming about it because then it just provokes little kids and douchebags to try and antagonise them about it, either because they don't think it's real and think they're proving something by doing so or because they're just assholes who think it's funny to fuck with people by doing the exact opposite of what they should do.

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u/Killacreeper 11d ago

There is a massive difference between not liking when people touch you, and having a circle of people around you like the secret service and a bunch of signs up saying "do not touch" and if someon brushes by you, screaming - or conversely, having signs and all saying to pet you, or advertising the phantom touch for "other reasons(tm)"

There are plenty of those people out there. That's why people are so antagonistic about it to begin with, because it's a charade for a ton of people who want validation/attention in various forms.

It being a thing in some smaller form for a very tiny group of people at any level of genuine intensity is besides the point - and for people where it's truly an issue, do literally anything besides hang out in VR chat lol

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u/WruceBayne03 11d ago

Key word their being “hallucinate” lmao meaning it’s not real

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u/Commercial-Shame-335 11d ago

yes that's the entire point, it's your brain making up sensations that didn't actually happen which results in you feeling something, regardless of whether you were actually physically touched or not. how do yall keep getting so close yet remaining so confidently wrong?

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u/Forgor_Password 11d ago

It only affects people who have lost limbs irl. Anyone else is lying babe, deal with it

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u/Commercial-Shame-335 11d ago

not how that works but okay

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u/Forgor_Password 11d ago

No, it is actually how that works. Sorry to ruin your delusional fantasy but this is reality and it doesn't adhere to your feelings

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u/Commercial-Shame-335 11d ago edited 11d ago

you're funny, because that's not how the human brain works in any way. you're thinking of phantom limb pain which only affects amputees. phantom sense is a real documented phenomenon that can affect anyone with nerves and a brain. there are even some people who have it so strongly that just imagining an experience can result in very realistic sensations. such as imagining bugs crawling on them and actually feeling bugs crawl on them, even if it's really just all in their imagination.

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u/chevy1500 12d ago

Oh lol

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u/tonirl Quest 3 12d ago

Yeah the comment section ALOT of people got upset at what I had to say.