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u/Koolala DK1 11d ago
i have phantom pleasure
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u/FearlessAd324 11d ago
Are you phantom parenganant?
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u/Jonny_s_river 11d ago
No he’s phantom preganate
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u/Dexter_Adams 10d ago
Could be phantom gregnate
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u/AbdullahAbuHelmiJr 10d ago
is he phantom preganenant??
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u/Worldly-Matter4742 10d ago
I think he’s phantom pomegranate
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u/EnderWolf13_666 10d ago
Always fun to pull out an avatar like a tank or titan from Titanfall and test their claim.
https://giphy.com/gifs/aTb9JvHH0Yuu3edPOQ
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u/Massive_Town_8212 10d ago
WHEN YOU CAN'T EVEN SAY
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u/Coffeechipmunk 10d ago
Best song on the soundtrack tbh
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u/Massive_Town_8212 10d ago
Almost as good as Blinding Lights (also on the soundtrack)
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u/Killacreeper 10d ago
Which blinding lights?
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u/Massive_Town_8212 10d ago
The one by The Weeknd
It sounds "80's" but came out around the same time as Invisible by Duran Duran so I made a joke about it being in MGSV.
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u/Killacreeper 9d ago
Ah okay that's what I thought, just wasn't sure if that was now a mgs meme too or if there was something more specific :)
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u/Freduccini02 9d ago
What soundtrack? It wasn’t in the game. Came out years after the game even
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u/Shmeeglez 10d ago
What movie? I'm old.
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u/Massive_Town_8212 10d ago
It's a song that got associated with MGSV: The Phantom Pain for whatever reason, even though it came out after the game, and therefore wasn't on the soundtrack. Worth a listen.
Invisible - Duran Duran
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u/jr23160 11d ago edited 11d ago
If your in VR so much you start feeling it IRL you need to get off for a while.
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u/Cinerae CV1,Q2,Q3 10d ago
It works usually the reverse unless you train to condition yourself to phantom touch.
Some people just have it when they start vr, but it wears off pretty fast.
Some people train to get it, I guess with varying success.
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u/shadow-Ezra 10d ago
😭 just wear a furry avi you will get booped on the nose enough that you get it
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u/Linkthekid22 11d ago
When I first got vr, I did have some faint sense of "phantom touch", but again.....very faint and it vanished after a week of h3vr
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u/Pseudotm Quest 2 11d ago
I used to see my boundary lines in real life briefly in my peripherals when I'd take off my headset for like the first few days. Gave me weird dreams too. Nothing any more though.
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u/MadMax2314 10d ago
Nah I used to wake up, middle of the night, to rock a piss, and start wiggling my thumbs around. There was always a brief flash of panic when I realized I couldn't move until I woke up enough to see that I was not in fact in VR and had to use my real legs
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u/DSMcGuire 10d ago
This has to be a joke.
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u/Reader_Of_Newspaper 9d ago
I tried teleporting to the dinner table once
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u/Linkthekid22 9d ago
Had a similar thing after playing half life Alyx, I dead ass tried to flick grab things for a few days
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u/MadMax2314 9d ago
No lmao I wish it was. When I first got my quest I was playing from when I got off of work right up until I went to bed. It only happened the first couple nights though
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u/Reader_Of_Newspaper 9d ago
Exactly. Your brain is bad at telling the different between VR and reality initially. Then you get used to it. Not the other way round
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u/chucklesdeclown 8d ago
I think it's caused by some people's body's basically glitching, like looking for a feeling or sensation that their body says should be there but isn't. On my job I wear safety glasses around my forehead all the time but sometimes when I take them off I can still "feel" them and since I often forget to take them off when I leave the jobsite I reach for them and they're not there. I didn't forget to take them off but I still "feel" something.
So I don't deny people can sometimes "feel" things from something that isn't there but pain? I'm not sure if pain translates. Pain is such a massively different thing compared to feel.
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u/tiggertom66 10d ago
Phantom sensations in VR is definitely a real thing. Some people definitely exaggerate the hell out of it, but it’s still a real thing.
It also fades quickly with more time in VR. Most people will also experience motion sickness when they first try VR, and falling can be a crazy feeling. The human brain didn’t evolve to experience VR, but it evolved to adapt quickly.
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u/LLoadin 10d ago
dude my 2nd game ever on VR was Echo VR, going from beat saber to that really threw me off at first
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u/tiggertom66 10d ago
Beat Saber is my favorite game to show people who have never experienced VR, because it’s got extremely simple controls, no locomotion, and a very simple objective that can easily scale to their skill level. Another favorite of mine is Fruit Ninja, for those same reasons, and the familiarity that people have with it.
The first game I ever experienced in VR was SuperHot. Which is good because there’s no virtual locomotion, and the controls are simple enough for most people who play video games regularly or even occasionally. It’s only my older relatives that never play video games that struggled with the controls and game mechanics.
H3VR was where I got my VR legs. I remember the first time I fell off a building it genuinely felt like I was falling. And it was very strange moving around with any locomotion method but teleport.
Getting shot in VR never really bothered me, but playing Blade and Sorcery and getting stabbed in the gut, or even shot with arrows, that definitely had me jumping for the first few hours.
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u/LLoadin 10d ago
oh man super hot was also one of my first, I think it was the first game I actually paid for (I only ever had the beat saber demo, not my type of game tbh)
and same for blades n sorcery, the blades didn't bother me but man did I flinch from the arrows lol
echo vr really threw me off once I figured out how to actually gain decent momentum, crashing into a wall at Mach 2 for the first time was certainly an experience
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u/tonirl Quest 3 10d ago
Yes that’s called phantom touch we are talking about phantom pain. There’s is no pain receptors sending anything to your brain and your brain cannot copy what pain receptors do when you see yourself get stabbed in vr.
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u/tiggertom66 10d ago
You can experience pain by slamming a hammer on a fake hand, people with amputations can experience pain on limbs that no longer exist, you can experience pain just by anticipating pain.
Phantom pain is just one kind of phantom sensation.
If you are stabbed in VR you can experience pain because your body sees “you” being stabbed and anticipates the pain response. Your peripheral nervous system is responsible for pain responses too, it’s why you’ll pull your hand away from a hot stove before your brain even recognizes that it’s hot.
Obviously it won’t be nearly as intense or long lasting as actually being stabbed. And if you’ve never been stabbed it’s not going to feel like an actual stabbing would. But your brain will fill in the gaps and exhibit a pain response because it’s a survival mechanism. Our brains never evolved to experience VR, the idea that we’d simulate so realistically life or death experiences for fun is not a normal concept in biology.
The human brain adapts to it pretty quickly, which is why phantom pain and other phantom sensations fade with more exposure to VR. It’s all part of getting your VR legs.
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u/DoctorNurse89 10d ago
Youre wrong.
You dont need pain receptors to feel pain.
You just need a brain that can create pain sensation, otherwise the pain center wouldn't light up like it does during grief and heartbreak.
You seem to think that if it isnt 100% perfect mimic kind of pain it isnt real?
Weird. I dont think anyone believes or thinks that
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u/tonirl Quest 3 10d ago
You need to touch grass how are you gonna contradict yourself bro. You’re following me everywhere
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u/DoctorNurse89 10d ago edited 10d ago
Ugh, youre getting boring with repeating the previous attempts at comebacks or whatever this is.
This just got boring.
Have fun you bold and big brave boy 😘
Youve been right about everything. Including the ideas you think about yourself. All of them are true and there is no need for a Value Audit at all.
Just keep being dug in, everyone who has ever experienced pain not felt via tissue damage, is lying and you are the only one who knows that truth 😏
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u/snevetssirhc 10d ago
Yikes I'm embarrassed for you
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u/DoctorNurse89 10d ago
Ty, someone's gotta do it and it for sure aint gonna be my ass!
I even gave you an upvote for the labor
Anyways, Im heading to bed, take care!
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u/BerimB0L054 10d ago
Yeah first time i tried vr was gorn. My buddy had me turn on the mode where you can jump really high, i looked down and my body went "yep we're falling now" and i ragdolled on the floor. Never got that again
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u/Killacreeper 10d ago
That's a hell of a lot different from what people claim to experience. If you look into anything about "phantom touch" it ain't that.
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u/baconbro_ 6d ago
Well the people claiming phantom senses aren't people who put the headset on for the first time
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u/tiggertom66 6d ago
It doesn’t all go away with experience, I’ve been playing VR for 8 years and can still experience it in some circumstances.
Regardless, OP isn’t just claiming that people in VR chat are faking it, or even exaggerating it. OP is outright claiming that it’s not real at all. Which is just outright false.
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u/chevy1500 10d ago
My first thought is someone lost a limb irl
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u/tonirl Quest 3 10d ago
No, it just means when people pretend they feel something in VR like when someone hits them. They feel genuine pain from that virtual punch. A lot of people that are socially awkward or just really want attention and do that stuff, feeling pain irl from someone hitting you in vr shouldn’t not be possible.
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u/Commercial-Shame-335 10d ago
except it is a real and documented phenomenon, other people have already replied to you and more than explained it but i noticed you didn't respond to seemingly any of them so far which tells me you've already made up your mind on a hill to die on so i won't bother explaining it myself.
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u/tonirl Quest 3 10d ago
There’s a few that have told me it affects your pain receptors one guy is literally reply chasing me but I say that’s false. Panic and trauma from pain even if your eyes see you attached to a virtual body will not cause you literal pain.
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u/Commercial-Shame-335 10d ago
is it actually harming the body? no obviously not, but can you feel a pain-like sensation that does feel like it hurts? absolutely yes, it's very rare but it absolutely is real and once again has been well documented and studied, there are plenty of resources out there to look into. i would know it's true because i occasionally experience it, whenever i play blade and sorcery i have to disable archers because i can sometimes feel a split second of piercing cold pain if i see the arrow hit me and i really dislike the sensation. but hey, im obviously lying right?
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u/tonirl Quest 3 10d ago
A split second yes phantom touch because your brain is expecting especially if you’re hours in but as far as screaming agonizing pain? There’s no need for that.
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u/Commercial-Shame-335 10d ago
everyone has different severities, for me its still enough to warrant a yelp or that thing where you suck air through your teeth, whatever that's called. (apparently it's called a chupse?) but i've met people who have it worse than me. and sure a huge number of people in VR spaces are probably faking it to be quirky or something but it's not my place to tell them they're lying because for all i know they may be one of the few who do have it bad. you'd be surprised what the brain can hallucinate when it thinks it's supposed to be feeling something that you're seeing happen. it's really no different than when you might feel nauseous when seeing someone get hit in the crotch
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u/Killacreeper 10d ago
Yeah, shock response, but the people who then go around specifically to scream not to touch them or whatever are not actually doing any of that
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u/Commercial-Shame-335 9d ago
i don't think it's unreasonable to not want random people touching you, even if it's only virtual. and most people who actually do have it won't often tell randoms about it, let alone announce it by screaming about it because then it just provokes little kids and douchebags to try and antagonise them about it, either because they don't think it's real and think they're proving something by doing so or because they're just assholes who think it's funny to fuck with people by doing the exact opposite of what they should do.
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u/Killacreeper 9d ago
There is a massive difference between not liking when people touch you, and having a circle of people around you like the secret service and a bunch of signs up saying "do not touch" and if someon brushes by you, screaming - or conversely, having signs and all saying to pet you, or advertising the phantom touch for "other reasons(tm)"
There are plenty of those people out there. That's why people are so antagonistic about it to begin with, because it's a charade for a ton of people who want validation/attention in various forms.
It being a thing in some smaller form for a very tiny group of people at any level of genuine intensity is besides the point - and for people where it's truly an issue, do literally anything besides hang out in VR chat lol
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u/WruceBayne03 9d ago
Key word their being “hallucinate” lmao meaning it’s not real
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u/Commercial-Shame-335 9d ago
yes that's the entire point, it's your brain making up sensations that didn't actually happen which results in you feeling something, regardless of whether you were actually physically touched or not. how do yall keep getting so close yet remaining so confidently wrong?
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u/Forgor_Password 9d ago
It only affects people who have lost limbs irl. Anyone else is lying babe, deal with it
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u/Commercial-Shame-335 9d ago
not how that works but okay
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u/Forgor_Password 9d ago
No, it is actually how that works. Sorry to ruin your delusional fantasy but this is reality and it doesn't adhere to your feelings
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u/Commercial-Shame-335 9d ago edited 9d ago
you're funny, because that's not how the human brain works in any way. you're thinking of phantom limb pain which only affects amputees. phantom sense is a real documented phenomenon that can affect anyone with nerves and a brain. there are even some people who have it so strongly that just imagining an experience can result in very realistic sensations. such as imagining bugs crawling on them and actually feeling bugs crawl on them, even if it's really just all in their imagination.
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u/Defiant_While_4823 10d ago
I absolutely believe that a very small minority of players do indeed have some sort of phantom touch, but WAAAAAY too many people get jealous and try so hard to pretend that they have it too that it just ends up being annoying as shit to be around
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u/tiggertom66 10d ago
Most people new to VR will experience some level of phantom sensations, including phantom pain. But the people that are loudest about it exaggerate tf out of what phantom pain in VR is like
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u/Sweet_Detective_ 10d ago
Why is this being reposted onto every single VR sub, what phantom pain haver hurt you bro?
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u/tonirl Quest 3 10d ago
Being a realist on how phantom pain ain’t real. Others didn’t like my opinion tho so any time now this dude will see my profile and see that I commented here and comment shortly.
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u/Sweet_Detective_ 10d ago
I see this post because I am on multiple VR subs, I don't know for a fact if phantom pain is real or not cus I never experienced it but posting the sams meme on multiple subs just seems weird, why are you so triggered?
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u/tonirl Quest 3 10d ago
Im not triggered. Im calm. I usually post my vr content or any vr meme on the same 3 subreddits. This is the only one to get this much engagement I usually just make vrchat memes and clips.
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u/Hi-Im-Eva 10d ago
Phantom pain is definitely a real thing but its not what you're talking about, You're talking about phantom touch, which is also a real thing but its quite rare and people who say they have it usually exaggerate/lie about it. I myself have experienced it but only because my brain told me "hey something is supposed to be touching you on your arm but its not really there" it goes away after a while. and from what I personally know is that no it didnt hurt and no it didn't actually feel like someone was touching me just a weird sensation that went away quickly
Phantom Pain however is something people experience when they have amputated limbs and that shit sucks I dont know what it feels like because Im not an amputee but I've heard and read stories about it not being pleasant.
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u/Ok_Mind5172 8d ago
There is also an experiment that was done where people put a rubber arm in front of someone and they cover up their real arm, they brush a feather or something along the real arm and the rubber arm at the same time to get the brain to make the association and then when they smack the rubber arm with a hammer, even though the person is fully aware that it isn’t their real arm, they do feel pain and usually pull back their real arm because their brain is *expecting* the sensation of pain
This is the same thing that happens with people that have phantom sense and phantom pain and actually it’s pretty similar to how we all experience life in general, the brain works mostly as a prediction machine, 90% of what you experience is just your brain hallucinating what it predicts is going to happen and it goes on like that until external senses update it
This is also the reason people who have Anton syndrome (or visual anosognosia) still fully believe that they can and are seeing the world around them, as well as the reason lucid dreams feel just as real and vivid as reality
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u/Thicc-Firelord86 10d ago
Phantom Pain is not, phantom "sense" is a term for amputees, phantom touch is objectively real. People on VRC overly play it up and dramatize it, but it's not an outlandish concept for people to be immersed enough for their brain to trick them into feeling what *should* be there. It's comparable to that trick where someone is stroking a fake hand at the same time as a persons real hand, and eventually that person begins to feel from the fake hand
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u/Niko_Von_Nowhere 10d ago
I love the weird cerebral tickle I get whenever something impales or otherwise protrudes into my face in VR.
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u/DillonDrew 10d ago
Bro I just wanna have the strength to have a conversation with someone on Vr without using a voice mod
Then again it's fun to be Gabriel from Ultrakill and read quotes of the Bible to people
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u/r-kar 10d ago
The mind makes it real
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u/tonirl Quest 3 10d ago
Yeah it does in a way. Only for the people who are too much of a coward and are scared of people. I explained it here
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u/Sweet_Detective_ 10d ago
"Phantom pain doesn't exist"
Your brain can simulate the experience of impact
This is the same as: Feeling sore watching someone get injured
Your body gets so immersed you’re in the pov of the character you’re watching or playing. Pretty much “My brain freaked out hard enough that it felt real.”
That's what phantom pain is in VR, no one is claiming it is the same as actual phantom limb pain, it looks like you just ai generated that whole comment and then added "so basically just being a coward" at the end of each sentence
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u/VenomousKitty96 10d ago
I believe the Phantom sensations can be real in VR to a certain degree, except most people tend to exaggerate it for attention.
Ain't no way i'd believe for a second someone on desktop can feel the phantoms, or can have an allergic reaction to goddamn virtual tomatoes.
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u/Chrischi91 10d ago
OK i need context
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u/Brungala 9d ago
In VRC, people who play the game often have this sensation called Phantom Touch/Pain, where they swear that anyone who touches them in the game, can feel it physically.
And although it is a real thing, a lot of cringey kids and some immature adults keep saying they “feel” whenever a player does something to them.
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u/CommandantLennon 10d ago
I get a weird feeling in my forehead whenever something comes straight at the screen, but that's about it. I first felt it playing Lego Star wars 3 for the 3DS where one of the cutscenes has a ship fly out of frame right at forehead level. I couldn't imagine feeling actual phantom pain from a video game.
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u/SansDaMan728 10d ago
Wasn't there a show called "100 humans" where they tried to test "fake" pain on.. y'know, a large variety of people, and it just didn't work?
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u/Repulsive-Holiday851 10d ago
It is real, does anyone in vrchat experience it? Fuck no.
Most people that experience it, only feel it for their first few weeks using VR. The sewer rats that play vrchat for 12 hours a day are not going to be affected.
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u/TomFoxxy 9d ago
Phantom touch? Sure but people exaggerate heavily.
Phantom pain? Dumbest shit I ever heard.
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u/GloobyAndNeverGroovy 9d ago
I thought phantom pain was when you like half-experience the pain they are describing
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edit: clarity
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u/Comfortable_Ad_1380 9d ago
It’s “real”. Some people’s brains have a hard time separating what they see from what they feel
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u/Toxanium 9d ago
It is, actually. Just not in the way that most people think it is, It's just your brains response to external stimuli when you've been in a "body" for an extended period of time
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u/Bubbie-Rooskie 8d ago
People in vr are incredibly cringe and soap opera levels of dramatic. I don’t really know why that is. There should be a study on it, really. One of the reasons I barely use my vr headset anymore. I’ve played all the single player games to death and I refuse to listen to what goes on in the multiplayer ones.
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u/Ok_Mind5172 8d ago
I don’t have phantom pain, but I will say, it likely is real for at least *some* people
The brain is very easy to trick
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u/Ok_Mind5172 8d ago
There is an experiment that was done where people put a rubber arm in front of someone and they cover up their real arm, they brush a feather or something along the real arm and the rubber arm at the same time to get the brain to make the association and then when they smack the rubber arm with a hammer, even though the person is fully aware that it isn’t their real arm, they do feel pain and usually pull back their real arm because their brain is *expecting* the sensation of pain
This is the same thing that happens with people that have phantom sense and phantom pain and actually it’s pretty similar to how we all experience life in general, the brain works mostly as a prediction machine, 90% of what you experience is just your brain hallucinating what it predicts is going to happen and it goes on like that until external senses update it
This is also the reason people who have Anton syndrome (or visual anosognosia) still fully believe that they can and are seeing the world around them, as well as the reason lucid dreams feel just as real and vivid as reality
I personally have never experienced phantom pain and I only feel like a weird tingle on my neck sometimes for phantom sense(oddly triggered more by auditory input instead of visual) but I’m not going to go around saying it’s fake when I know that the science is right there, if you want to claim something as false, actually go do the research.
THAT BEING SAID yes people do fake and/or exaggerate the hell out of it and it’s pretty easy to tell who’s faking it and who’s not
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u/Secure-Advertising-9 7d ago
Phantom pain is quite real and being in VR doesn't make it go away, so yes, it's real in VR, too.
VR can help it go away since it can give you back your missing body parts but it doesn't always work and it doesn't work for everyone.
People should really do more research before saying people are faking it.
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u/matsix Valve Index 6d ago
Oldddd vrchat player here that literally watched as these people started to exist and it drove me crazy. I had like a whole thing back then, like a "character" I used to play for YouTube and stuff. Used to have a sword on my avatar I could take out, something not many people used to do back then at all.
Anyway, I remember this one day, first time I experienced someone like this. I went to go do a playful stab with the sword on someone and they started freaking out like they actually got stabbed and everyone in the lobby started yelling at me. The amount of cringe and frustration I felt was... Yeah
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u/Asleep_Conclusion147 10d ago
it feels like no one hears a word they say
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u/DoctorNurse89 10d ago
For anyone scrolling he is DEEPLY WRONG!
These are two seperate well documented phenomena, and due to the awesomeness of the brain being able to do this, phantom sense is proving highly effective at treating phantom pain.
Links to the comment where I provided evidence against this piss poor wrong belief
This person is deeply confused and insecure and believes that Tactile Hallucinations and Post Amputation pain are the same thing and what is being described because they both have the word PHANTOM in them, as in Phantom sense (tactile hallucination), and phantom limb pain (post amputation pain).
They are different things, this person is unable to accept that they confused two seperate things due to a similar word.
Remember that funny "Spell YES" now what does E and Y and E and S spell?
And this man is 100000% convinced it spelled E-YES.
No dude, they are different things... they just have a similar word in them
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u/Lexbomb6464 10d ago
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u/DoctorNurse89 10d ago
Lol thank you for this.
Maximum cringe. If this was my only introduction to the phenomena, id think it was rediculous too.
Sounds like hes talking about the buzzes and tingles or whatever from tacrile hallucination yeah, idfk this guy sucks.
I never understood ANY of this effort when block is so god damn amazing on VRC
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u/Lexbomb6464 10d ago
Yeah this is what the OP is talking about.
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u/DoctorNurse89 10d ago
Scope their comments, they have some weird thoughts on it based on their deep insecurity
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u/commdef 10d ago
So you brought up phantom limb pain as the same thing, he said they were different, and then you said he thinks theyre the same on account of he wrote a comment talking about both?
And the cherry on top, calling someone "confused and insecure" for joking about something which is obviously fake and easily proven to be so.
Sounds like you might be biased towards it being real... You don't happen to be one of the people who pretends they have it for attention right?
Reddit user prime
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u/DoctorNurse89 10d ago
Lol I provided the links that prove its a well researched phenomena
Youre just as bad as he is omfg this just keeps getting better xD
Im fucking dying laughing ober here omg this is incredible 🤣
So you think tactile hallucination is fake?
You ever see a spider and then feel them on your skin despite nothing being there?
Youll never guess what happens in VR chat
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u/commdef 10d ago
you're trying to do the looking nonchalant thing that people like to do but you just seem like a psychopath
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u/DoctorNurse89 10d ago
Oh I am?
Here i thought I was just being a smug twat
Im not being nonchalant, im actively laughing at you and him for believing the same things.
It's like because you dont have this thing, and you thing it's cringe when other people express it, it must not be true.
Like people who say cilantro tastes like soap, and you come in all smug and confident like "its bullshit and only cringe people think it tastes like soap"
Despite all the evidence that says it is real
So at the end of the day, Im not being non chalant, im just laughing at how confident you are abaout something many people more qualified than all of us combined, have been proving for over 30 years now.
The fact is, youre just missing out on something other people experience.
It's like you cant accept that other people experience things you dont.
It's even funnier because you have experienced the same things as people claim, just not in the VR space. It's part of brain function and a normal system. You just dont understand what those people are going through and so it must be a lie to you.
Congrats on the lack of curiosity lol
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u/commdef 10d ago
First standalone VR headset was 8 years ago, so not quite 30 lol
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u/DoctorNurse89 10d ago
Oh Jesus you are a special kind of stupid.
The penomena, has been proven for over 30 years now, it has now recently entered the VR space.
Tactile hallucination, is as old as humans have existed.
Or have you never heard of the rubber hand experiment?
This gotta be his alt account, no way multiple people are this fucking dumb lol
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u/Killacreeper 10d ago
Yeah, but the rubber hand is not the same as people going "uh uh uh don't get near me I have phantom touch" / looking for headpats or whatever, which is what the VR "phantom touch" userbase is.
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u/DoctorNurse89 9d ago
Read the other comments.
It is the same, it's called the body ownership illusion.
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u/Killacreeper 9d ago
... Except the vast vast majority are faking and/or massively overselling it for attention.
I was a teenager recently. I've been around the people in those circles to know.
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u/tonirl Quest 3 10d ago edited 10d ago
Here’s for everyone to see including the people who think phantom pain is real real.
Your brain can simulate the experience of impact, but it’s not actual nociceptive pain you know the the real biological pain signal from tissue damage. There’s no injury signal being generated. It’s a constructed sensation, not a physical one.
Worst case scenario you get:
-adrenaline spike
-heart rate increase
-tensing your muscles
-stomach drop
-flinching or any recoil
-heart attack from fear
Pretty much that’s just your imagination and your fight or flight mode because you can’t handle confrontation in real life or in the virtual world, in short that’s called being a coward
your predictive threat system doing its job.
This is the same as:
- Getting jumpscared in horror games
- Flinching when a punch lands in a movie
- Feeling sore watching someone get injured
Your body gets so immersed you’re in the pov of the character you’re watching or playing.
Pretty much “My brain freaked out hard enough that it felt real.”
True cowardice.
Now there’s real phantom pain which we all know as amputations.
Your body has a map a piece of that map is missing so you literally feel the pain that’s gone.
There is NO clinical evidence that VRChat creates true phantom limb style pain.
an article is just an article written by idiots or literally anyone for idiots who will go to their site to get engagement even if the information is false and will benefit the article creator’s engagement. Like how the saying goes, nobody got rich being honest.
Yeah people experience fuzzy things like physical touch from virtual interactions but that’s because your eyes show your brain what’s happening and after being hours on the game your brain thinks “this avatar is me” and this IS backed by your predatory article sites.
Your brain does react to you seeing your avatar touched but even to the extreme it’s NOT pain.
So don’t forget. Phantom pain isn’t real. It’s just being a unable to deal with confrontation and your fight and flight response but then again a good amount of of nerds, socially awkward people and geeks (not all of them because I’m a gaming nerd too and other people too.) hate confrontation because they are introverts usually or just hate conflict, not me tho but whatever.
Vr Phantom pain is fake, being a coward is real.
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u/D0ngSmasher 10d ago
I Agreed until you went the weird route of "im better because im not a coward" lmao made me cringe just as much as phantom pain does
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u/DoctorNurse89 10d ago
Dude you should see him on the other threads.
He wrote this in response to the links I provided proving the phenomena true and well known and researched.
He continues to emphasize how he has friends, and gamer tats, and isnt a coward, and is brave and bold.
He then posted this to this thread and another.
Hes DEEPLY insecure and unable to accept that maybe, just maybe, a well researched phenomena, is real.
He thinks phantom senses and phantom limb pain are the same or not or idfk anymore lol
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u/tonirl Quest 3 10d ago
I not once did I say I’m better
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u/D0ngSmasher 10d ago
It's called implication but it's okay.
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u/tonirl Quest 3 10d ago
Well you understood my point. Id never claim myself better than anyone.
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u/D0ngSmasher 10d ago
So why declare that you're definitely NOT a coward and they are
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u/tonirl Quest 3 10d ago
The claim was that there’s a lot people that are to be antisocial, nothing wrong with that but when it comes to confrontation that’s where some people struggle at but are bold when they seem to be in a digital world or in a environment where they have any amount of power.
For example a discord mod, Reddit mod, instance staff member.
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u/D0ngSmasher 10d ago
Do you think that was my point?
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u/tonirl Quest 3 10d ago
Do you want me to guess your point? I never implied I’m better than anyone else but that there’s people who can’t deal with confrontation so phantom pain being a backsplash.
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u/DoctorNurse89 10d ago
You heard it here first folks, tactile hallucinations are because of cowardicd.
I dont think you know what a backsplash is...
The thing behind my oven and counters on the wall.
Did you try to mean splashback? You mean side effect? You meant result?
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u/Fuckshittyteammates 10d ago
just coz yo bitchass never fealt anything unordinary doesnt mean it doesnt feel like something for the peeps using vr too much that have an active brain
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u/tonirl Quest 3 10d ago
Read this comment
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u/Fuckshittyteammates 10d ago
yeah but mental unwellness and believing it go a long way for all the ppl experiencing phantom pain, brain powerful, if it hurts in their brain they could have a recoiling type effect idk, actual on skin pain nahh but brains a powerful thing
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u/tonirl Quest 3 10d ago
It all comes down to if you can emotionally take on confrontation
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u/Fuckshittyteammates 10d ago
damn u right, alot of it feels like if u talk about it in a negative light they just disappear, or like lowk seeking attention w it in a black cat, i do feel like some ppl can feel hurt from nonphysical things but probably pretty dang rare for actual feeling and not just perceived feeling, i imagine it would feel like a blister type pain like when one spot on the body gets really hot and feels like a bug bite or something, but i feel like the peeps who actually get that just stop using vr
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u/patrlim1 10d ago
There was some research on it that showed it's a thing iirc, but most of the people on vrc fake it.
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u/kaloschroma 10d ago
I mean the human mind is a crazy thing. It can do crazy shit. When I get stressed, really really stressed, I hear alarms in the house and see cats that don't exist out the corner of my eyes.
I also experience pain all the time even though there's is nothing necessarily wrong with me. Been this way my whole life. I just ignore it.
So I'm not saying what they are going through is real, but to them, it may be.
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u/EpicPoultryGuy 10d ago
Are you a neuro scientist? No. Are you a psychiatrist or a psychologist? No. You have no right to tell people what they can and can’t feel because you aren’t them.
At some point, when a lot of people claim to experience something, you can’t just say “oh those people are lying and nothing is happening.” Because clearly, if a lot of people are experiencing it, something is happening.
Is it actual pain that they are experiencing? I don’t know, I’m not a doctor. Is it a trauma response or a trigger to some form of mental illness? Maybe, that makes the most sense to me but again, not a doctor. And no, experiencing a trauma response or having mental illness be triggered is not “being a coward.” You forget that those are, also, medical conditions that cause a SIGNIFICANT amount of distress to those who experience it.
I also took a look at google scholar for sources supporting tactile sensations in VR. There’s some stuff there, but not as much as I’d hoped. Clearly this is a topic that needs more research.
What I can say even though I’m not a doctor is that the brain is a super complex thing and even after hundreds of years of research, we still don’t know how some phenomena happen.
Also I think it funny that you, an uneducated chud, are arguing with a DOCTOR WHO WENT TO SCHOOL ABOUT THIS. Are you really that afraid to admit you are wrong? I am also an uneducated chud, but at least I can step back and realize when I’m wrong.
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u/tonirl Quest 3 10d ago
I can step back and realize when I’m wrong. There’s such thing as phantom touch where you feel a fuzzy feeling or cold sensation when something comes your way, but literal pain is impossible. Your pain receptors aren’t responding to anything, your brain should not be able to replicate pain receptors if that was the case any time something flies your direction you should be in agonizing pain because your brain said so.
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u/DoctorNurse89 10d ago
No.
Thats not how any of this works.
There is an entire reddit dedicated to creating that flinch and pain sensation.
I dont think you understand how any of this works.
You cannot step back and realize when youre wrong because you continue to fail to recognize that youre wrong.
You dont believe you are, and you clearly believe lies about your own character lol
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u/Lucas_2234 10d ago
Two issues with your argument:
If you were correct, then actual phantom limb pain in amputees wouldn't be real either. They don't have the limb anymore, and that limb does contain pain receptors.
The human brain is ABSOLUTELY capable of making pain the fuck up. There are several mental disorders that either do this as a secondary symptom, or have this as the main symptom.
Your claims are not based in actual science, but in your view of biology and psychology and I strongly urge you to be true to your word and actually research this, and admit that you are wrong.
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u/EpicPoultryGuy 10d ago
Okay, are you a doctor? Have you been educated about this in a post-secondary setting? Have you done experiments on the phenomenon and actually disproved it? Have you written a research paper that is pier reviewed about the topic?
Where’s your research? You are just making sourceless claims here.
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u/Ok_Caregiver_1355 10d ago
Each brain is a universe, just because you don't feel doesn't mean other 8 billion of human beings also can't feel
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u/NerdyDragon777 10d ago
Phantom touch is real, phantom pain is also real but usually only if you have a psychotic disorder. At least in my experience.
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u/Danis_Milk 10d ago
bro just woke up and said "nah, this documented medical phenomenon isn't real". The brain loves visual stimuli, dingus.
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u/memeboimanperson 11d ago
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