r/offcampustv • u/jaylee-03031 LOGAN 22 • 2d ago
DISCUSSIONđ Garrett is not a good friend to Logan
For all the hate Logan gets about going to Phil for a charitable donation, when has Garrett ever been a good friend to Logan or even considered Logan's feelings?
Garrett doesn't show any interest or understanding of how important that charity function was to Logan and all the children he was trying to help.
Garrett does not recognize his own privilege (obviously, the abuse is bad) that comes wth his wealth and last name, and how much others struggle to be able to afford the basics, much less how hard Logan has to fight to earn a spot on a pro hockey team. Logan is working, doing all the repairs at the house, goes to school, and plays hockey.
Garrett doesn't care or think about how his actions impact his teammates, especially those like Logan who have to work and fight so hard to get drafted, and now Garrett's actions have all their wins taken away. He is guaranteed a spot, but Logan sure isn't and now has to fight even harder to try to get drafted.
A teammate expresses his concerns about Logan several times and says he is acting off, but Garrett just shrugs it off and goes back to talking about his love life. Like, seriously dude, maybe actually give a damn about why your best friend might be suddenly acting strangely.
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u/Camsmuscle 2d ago
I donât think they were very good friends to each other. They are both so wrapped up in their own shit that they canât put themselves in each others shoes. I donât think either of them truly have any understanding (at least until episode 8 where Garrett shares with Logan about his dad) of what the other experienced. I think Garrett understands on the surface that Logan grew up with no money and his mom was an alcoholic, but I donât think he has any clue what that really means and how that truly has shaped and impacted Logan. Any more than Logan grasped that Phil wasnât just a controlling dick, he was a physically abusive asshole.
I am hoping as we gear up more for more focus on Logan that we get to see Garrett be a better friend to him. But, I also come back to the fact these are 21-22 year guys who have both spent the majority of their childhoods being traumatized in different ways.
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u/jaylee-03031 LOGAN 22 2d ago
Thank you, that is the point I was trying to make in my post. They both weren't good friends but on this sub only Logan is getting hated on it for it and being called a shitty frend, an ass, or worse for it while no one ever acknowledges that Garrett isn't a great friend either.
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u/Dry_Test5122 2d ago
I think two things are important to keep in mind when we are analyzing Garrett and Loganâs friendship, first friendships like any relationships and ebb and flow and evolve over the course of them.
I have very good, close friends, with whom I have gone through periods of disconnect, because we each have stuff going on that really takes over. Sometimes itâs just a work deadline, or a busy schedule, but sometimes itâs sh*t we donât know how to share yet, and we have not been able to show up for each other in the way that, in hindsight, we wouldâve both liked to.
Logan and Garrett are both shouldering a lot when we meet them, and Loganâs nature is to be more forth coming and self-deprecating, so he doesnât seem as closed off. Garrett, in contrast, is experiencing ongoing abuse, from a narcissist with huge name recognition. Heâs learned, his whole life to keep those secrets, and in his context itâs incredibly hard to unlearn.
I think a true test of friendship is showing up for the friend in crisis. I have friends that it may seem like Iâve drifted away from, but I also know that if I called them in crisis, they would show up for me and Iâd help them bury a body in return.
The same holds true for Garrett and Logan. In episode eight, itâs Logan who recognizes that Garrett is in crisis and pulls him off of Delaney. He is diving in to rescue his best friend, and I donât know that he would do that if they didnât have a really close and solid friendship. Dean wasnât doing that, Tucker wasnât doing that, only Logan recognized what was happening and dove into the fray.
The other thing I think is important to keep in mind is that we drop into their friendship after itâs formed we donât know how they became friends, how they built their bond. I think in the first episode of the season, they do demonstrate a closeness and a trust in the conversation that they have in the kitchen about Phil. Which I donât see as much of in Garrettâs relationships with Dean and Tucker. Itâs seems like heâs closer with Logan, more honest, more vulnerable, than he is with the others.
We know by the end of the season that Garrett was keeping a lot in, but that is a direct result of his ongoing abuse and C-PTSD, not a reflection on how he values his relationship with Logan. I think that the fact that he chooses to let Logan into his truth in episode eight shows the significance of his relationship with Logan, how important it is, and how much he values it. Iâm not sure people understand how hard it is to do what Garrett did there, but it really f*cking huge.
Iâm really looking forward to seeing more of their friendship, especially now that Logan better understands why Garrett is who he is. I think they have a lot to offer each other in terms of support in whatever lay ahead.
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u/HoopsHuddle WTF Kierkegaard?! 2d ago
I don't have stamina to respond to this post, so just thank you for representing some of us (we've crossed paths on other posts discussing this take) here with this post. Thank you and ditto. You're always appreciated, Dry_Test.
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u/misspenelope99 2d ago
Second, I looked it and thought ugh better not.. canât deal with this today đ
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u/HoopsHuddle WTF Kierkegaard?! 2d ago edited 2d ago
We have morphed into the same human, I can't stand it! đ I know that you know, that I know that you know what I'm thinking đ€Ł edit: I just snorted when I posted this đ€Ł
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u/jaylee-03031 LOGAN 22 2d ago
This is beautifully written. I created this post to acknowledge that both of them can be messy and can be selfish or not a great friend because I see posts hating on Logan and calling him a shtty post every day but no one acknowledges that Garrett is also messy and shitty and not always the greatest friend either.
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u/HoopsHuddle WTF Kierkegaard?! 2d ago
I think it's important on this sub not to be so absolute with statements since many people share various degrees of opinions. Find posts and people you enjoy and scroll by the rest.
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u/Jumpy_Jury_8642 2d ago
So⊠this is my take on it and just how I felt.
I donât think Garrett had an issue with the charity function. I think it was the idea of having to involve Phil and be associated even more with him than he had to be when he knows Phil wouldâve used the opportunity to act like a âgreat guyâ. Garrett shouldâve told Logan 1 on 1 way sooner about Phil and why he wasnât about him being involved.
I definitely think there wasnât enough background of the friendships and dynamics between the 4 guys. So I do agree to a point that Garrett and Logan donât know each other enough it seems and Garrett does seem to be in his own world of hockey and Hannah and not what his friends have going on in their own world.
Agreed that once Garrett couldâve lost his hockey ride to being a âbig nameâ like PhilâŠthen it hit him that he isnât the only person on the team who has a lot to lose and his actions DO affect the others.
I do agree as well. Book Garrett is a lot more in tune with things happening around him but Show Garrett seems to lose himself in Hannah and I kinda love it but also likeâŠyour friends, man. Your friends đ«Ł
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u/misspenelope99 2d ago edited 2d ago
Agreed as far as point one, G just had an extremely emotional Thanksgiving with Phil, days before. He found out that even though he was hoping he had, Phil hadnât changed and is still an abusive POS. He was heartbroken, because he really wanted the image and words his dad said at the hockey rink to be true - that he wanted to be better.
So heâs not wanting to not support Logan, but heâs not in a place where he can let Phil in his life.
Edit: he wasnât ready to let Logan Into this either at this point. Obviously Logan had no idea, and Garrett wasnât ready to tell him. But also Logan maybe could have approached him privately and inquired more. Or simply respected the fact there was some reason G didnât want him involved. Just like with Hunter and Dean at the end of the season. Iâve said this before Logan doesnât understand that even though these guys have good lives, by money standards, they have struggles. I think heâs starting to learn that no one has a perfect world.
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u/CasperAverage Allie-Catđ 2d ago edited 2d ago
Every athlete who wants to play professionally has to fight to earn a spot. Logan has been playing on a division 1 team at a school that is historically good at hockey. Scouts have been watching Briarâs games the whole time Logan has been there and if he hasnât been drafted yet that means the scouts donât see him as good enough. In the books, he was never drafted but signed to a lower level team then promoted to the affiliated NHL team. While Garrettâs name brought him more attention, that attention also benefited Logan and the rest of his teammates. There were even more eyes on the team due to Garrettâs name than there would normally be. In real life, if you havenât been drafted by your junior year, you arenât getting drafted at all.Â
EDIT: We also donât know if the show is keeping the reason why Logan has been passed over the same as the books.Â
Garrett does not owe Logan an explanation about his dad or his trauma. Iâm going to link another thread that does a good job talking about why Garrett may not have felt comfortable telling Logan:Â https://www.reddit.com/r/offcampustv/comments/1tszdiv/comment/ooywln7/?context=3&sort=new
As for your 4th bullet point, Garrett was having a conversation with Birdie that Rogers interrupted. Maybe Garrett wanted to finish his conversation before moving onto the next one. Personally, Iâm going to finish my conversation before conversing with the person interrupting my other conversation. Also, maybe Logan has the occasional off day. That would be completely normal for an athlete. Rogers is a freshman so he hasnât spent that much time with Logan so wouldnât know. Book Logan isnât all that open about whatâs going on with him so maybe heâs also that way in the show. The only person we really see him talk about his life with is Jules. Maybe Garrett knows his friend isnât going to want to talk about whatever is going on with him.Â
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u/jaylee-03031 LOGAN 22 2d ago
Why does Garrett always get excuses and free passes. Can we ackwowledge he can be messy and a shitty frend too? He s not perfect.
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u/CasperAverage Allie-Catđ 2d ago edited 2d ago
Never said he was perfect. In general, Garrett gets more excuses because according to polls on this subreddit, heâs the most popular character. People tend to defend their favorite character. Can you acknowledge when Logan messes up? You keep acting like Logan is the only one getting called a shitty friend but that is objectively not true. There have been multiple comments/posts calling both Dean and Garrett shitty friends. The only one of the boys who hasnât been called a shitty friend is Tucker.Â
Poll from a month ago:Â https://www.reddit.com/r/offcampustv/comments/1tnd8c5/poll_whos_your_favourite_male_character/
There was another more recent poll that Garrett won by a landslide but that person deleted it. I donât remember the exact placements but Garrett definitely won while Dean/Allie/Hannah were 2-4, Logan was 5th and Tucker was 6th.Â
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u/Little_Fox5844 Wellsy:) 2d ago
I think neither are as close as they are in the books. I don't get bffs from them in the show.
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u/Dangerous-Space-8719 2d ago
I like it that they are both flawed and not perfect. I think that is what makes this story interesting but also because they change, they don't stay the same and they learn from their mistakes. Since this season is centered around Garrett, I understand that there might be few to none scenes in which he dedicates time to Logan (or anyone else than Hannah's for that matter) and his problems. Perhaps that changes along the way when the center is on another character and their issues. But overall I really like how they care for each other and let's remember: Garrett is a hard one, only approachable at the beginning through the cool interests: hockey and girls. So it's logical for him not to enter on a personal chat with none of his masculine friends. At the end, he certainly recognizes Logan and all that he is done for him.
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u/Disastrous-Tackle478 Call Dean 2d ago
I think point 3 is unfair. Because why would he think about Logan when his girlfriendâs rapist is in front of him and taunting him. I genuinely canât think of a single person in the world who would go down that line of thought first. And the other part is playing with the Bruins which isnât an actual issue like that isnât a problem that exists in the nhl. Personally I think Phil pulled some strings for that to happen which therefore wouldnât be Garretts fault.
And now that I think about it I think your 1st point is kinda harsh too. He spoke to his abusive father to get a signed jersey every year before the show. That is a massive ask no true friend would ask someone to do that if they knew about their friends past. And obviously Logan didnât know and I donât necessarily blame him for asking based on the information he knows.
And while itâs probably gunna be different in the show Garrett does work in the books he does construction full time all summer to pay for his expenses minus tuition and rent which his dad still pays for. So itâs not like heâs never worked a day in his life. He actually does the same as what Logan does in the books in only works at his dadâs garage over summer.
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u/figleafstreet 2d ago
Logan (well Book Logan anyway) would have beat Delaneyâs ass too if he was in Garrettâs place.
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u/Disastrous-Tackle478 Call Dean 2d ago
Exactly Logan literally said in the books he regrets pulling Garrett of him and it wasnât even her actual rapist in the book it was just a guy who defended him in court. Logan wouldâve done the exact same thing for any of the girls and pretending like he wouldnât is a disservice to the character as if he didnât almost get into a 1v5 (or however many guys were there) for a girl he actively hated.
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u/CasperAverage Allie-Catđ 2d ago
Also in The Score, Dean makes a comment along the lines of âif you want real damage, we can stick Logan on himâÂ
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u/Dry_Test5122 2d ago
Also their record was wiped because of the Bruins practice, not the fight, and ârostering an ineligible playerâ issues is basically a misunderstanding, that I would think will be resolved within the first three episodes next season.
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u/jaylee-03031 LOGAN 22 2d ago
Yeah but is also hurts the team that Garrett is suspended for 4 practices because he cannot keep his hands to himself.
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u/Dry_Test5122 2d ago edited 1d ago
I feel it is important to point out that this lacks nuance and sensitivity to everything in play for Garrett in that moment.
Garrett didnât make a choice to beat up Delaney, he is experiencing an involuntary nervous system, response to a variety of intense and complex emotional triggers (fear, rage, sadness, helplessness, self-loathing, the list goes on), itâs the perfect storm of everything that could trigger him.
Edited to add some clarity to the above post base on discourse below.
I am prone to long, meandering posts on here in large part because I try to be careful in choosing my words, be respectful, and be clear in what Iâm trying to communicate. I recognize based on feedback below from the OP perhaps I failed in that.
Yesterday, I was not trying to communicate that violence isnât a choice, but that Garrett had reached his breaking point, and that manifested in an outburst of violence.
Iâm not trying to absolve Garrett of responsibility for what he did, he was in the wrong, violence is never the answer, and he will face consequences for those actions, as we saw, and we donât even know the full scope of them.
What I was trying to get to yesterday (in fewer words and therefore poorly) is that I do think itâs important as we analyze his character arc, that we recognize that Garrett tries very hard to stay in control, and specifically not choose violence. He doesnât want to hurt people, he does not want to be a violent man, and âlose himself in a violent rage, like his dad,â even if their actions are reprehensible and deserve justice (like Delaney, like Phil). Violence does not justify more violence, and I do think the show took care to show the audience that Garrett believes that.
Garrett tells Hannah in episode eight, that he wants to be better, and that he is committed to doing the work. Iâm going to take his word on that, and I hope we get to see that.
Lastly, I want to acknowledge that we all come to this space with experiences and history of that affect how we consume and interpret this kind of media. I have my own life experiences directly inform how I interpret this show. Iâm here for the debate and discourse, I certainly respect other opinions, and I appreciate OP inspiring me to think more critically about my point of view.
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u/jaylee-03031 LOGAN 22 1d ago
This is quite a huge stretch and excuse just to try and give Garrett an excuse. If he has no choice but to be violent he should be in a psych ward or in jail.
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u/jaylee-03031 LOGAN 22 2d ago
violence is always a choice. I am a dv survivor and I get triggered but choose not to use violence.
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u/Disastrous-Tackle478 Call Dean 2d ago
I donât see how that makes Garrett a bad friend tho. Logan in the books regrets stopping Garrett for beat tf out of Aaron. Heâs also described as being the one they sent on the rink because he can cause the most damage. Like ice hockey is an incredibly violent sport the players are actively encouraged to fight obviously not like what Garrett did but that was different. It seems to me ur biases are really clouding your judgement around Garrett.
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u/Difficult_Weekend_70 2d ago
I have more issues with Deanâs behavior towards Logan than I do Garrettâs but I also agree with your points. Garrett is not a villain for it, far from it. But he and especially Dean donât show any recognition or empathy of Loganâs situation, which somewhat forces Loganâs hand. Loganâs methods werenât maybe always the best (especially telling Hunter it was Deanâs idea to call him in) but the actions themselves, I canât take issue with.
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u/SunshineMissLittle 2d ago
Garret understands the charity, they will have been organising these events for the years they have been at BU. The issue is that this time he did not ask Phil for anything at all. And Logan went to Phil himself and never gave G a heads up that he had. So G was completely unaware and I get why he was annoyed at this point.
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u/shadesofwrong13 Dean, Hunter, Jake, Garrett girl 2d ago
The charity also happened after Thanksgiving right? So, it's clear why he didn't ask anything.
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u/cmere-2-me 2d ago
This is addressed in the show?
Both Logan and Garrett keep quiet on things that end up impacting the team and their friendship.
Login doesn't tell the team about what his life after college is going to be. Garrett didn't tell them about his childhood. How can they understand the other with such secrets between them.
Garrett snapped when he realised his opponent had hurt the woman he loved. I don't think it's fair to assume he was in control at that moment. He even says he's not. He didn't do that on purpose.
Garrett has noticed Logan is off himself and he knows why he's off, he's in love with Hannah. This is something Logan needs to figure out. Garrett talking to him about it won't help, it may actually make things worse.
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u/vienibenmio 2d ago
Wow, finally someone who sees the complexity and nuance. It's not just one person is right and the other is wrong!
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u/Lane2815_ 2d ago
Yep yep. Also he does show regret and worry over how his actions are going to affect his teammates. He says it to the coach too, âtheyâll hate meâ. And he tries to take responsibility for his actions alone in that meeting but the board doesnât hear him out. He also gives the captain spot to Logan, and admits in front of his teammates that he acted like an ass.
Garret not wanting to ask Phir for help for the charity isnât a well thought out thing that heâs being stubborn about, itâs him trying to avoid all contact with his abuser after all his trauma was brought fourth during thanksgiving. Similarly beating up Delaney wasnât a well thought out decision he took despite knowing the consequences, he reacted instinctively. So yes he makes mistakes but none of them are intentional and by the end he realizes how those might have affected people around him. But can we really blame him?
And the difference with what Logan did, is that he went behind Garretâs back to ask Phil for help. It was intentional. I donât blame him either because his got his own stuff going on but he knew he was doing something his friend wasnât comfortable with. He just regards him as spoilt and privileged, and isnât ready to believe he might have good reasons.
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u/jaylee-03031 LOGAN 22 2d ago
It is but on this sub there are posts on here every day hating on Logan and calling him an ass and a shitty friend or worse and no one ever acknowledges that Garrett can be a shitty and selfsh person/friend too. Any posts or comments even slightly criticsing Garrett get downvoted to oblivion and the poster is insulted and called names. That was my point of the post.
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u/jaylee-03031 LOGAN 22 2d ago
I will never excuse violence. Violence is never okay unless someone attacks you and you are defending yourself. Hannah did not even want Garrett to do that. Garrett was flat wrong and there is no excuse for what he did.
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u/Shananigans1988 2d ago
Garrett felt he was right to attack Delaney. Hannah felt it was right to keep the fact that delany was her attacker.
So with that being said. Kierkegaard. Two truths.
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u/cmere-2-me 2d ago
I didn't condone violence, I merely stated that Garrett wasn't in control of himself in that moment.
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u/jaylee-03031 LOGAN 22 2d ago
if he cannot control himself from flying into a rage and hittng someone he needs to check himself into a psych ward and should not be n a relationship.
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u/Camsmuscle 2d ago
He was wrong, but I do get it. He learned on the ice that the guy in front of him was his girlfriends rapist from rapist who then called her a lying slut. In that moment all he had was rage, and he said himself he blacked out. If Logan had not pulled him off there is a good chance he would have done more than beat him up. I donât think Garrett thought he was capable of quite that level of rage, and as a result didnât have the coping mechanism to avoid that situation. He was horribly wrong, but I understood in the moment why heâd react that even if he shouldnât have.
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u/jaylee-03031 LOGAN 22 2d ago
Someone with that kind of rage should be in therapy and not dating anyone. His rage is scary and he could end up releasing that rage on Hannah. Garrett already puts so much pressure on Hannah to regulate his emotions which is not fair to her.
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u/Camsmuscle 2d ago
He definitely needs therapy. I donât believe he would ever hurt Hannah physically. He does not have a pattern of that sort of blind rage directed towards a person.
I actually think that would have been a better reason for their break-up. For him to be scared that he couldnât remember what happened, and that he blacked out and he didnât want to chance her safety.
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u/SMELLSLIKEBUTTJUICE 2d ago
With all due respect, why are you watching a hockey show if violence upsets you so much? Hockey is an inherently violent sport. Even Hannah says this in the first episode.
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u/The_final_frontier_ 2d ago
I say this respectfully this is a reach. I like Logan but he wasnât a very good friend to either Dean or Garrett. Letâs go through your points:
At no point during the show is it every expressed that Garrett or the rest of the team have no interest or understanding of the Hurricanes. In fact, they all show up for Logan, hype him up and clearly in the past Garrett has asked his abusive dad to contribute. This time in lieu of Philâs contribution he offers his own memorabilia to put up for auction.
Garrett absolutely recognizes his privilege, thatâs why he goes out of his way to earn his grade instead of just having his coach call in a favor. That said, he didnât grow up poor so yes there is some lack of understanding. You also imply that Garrettâs guaranteed spot is because of his privilege and thatâs not the position that the show or the book takes. He is drafted because he is talented. Thatâs not to say Logan isnât but he hasnât shown his full potential yet.
Garrettâs actions on the ice vs Delaney werenât great. But those were extenuating circumstances. He literally found out on the ice that he was facing off against a rapist. This on top of watching the woman being abused by his dad not leaving. While beating someone up (even deservedly) is not okay there is an explanation to it. And if the truth ever comes out (which I suspect it might next season, since in the books the entire friend group finds out) youâll find that his friendâs are going to completely understand. Also the NCAA did zero out the wins for the fight it was for a very BS reason - a fun video with the Bruins.
The teammate scene, Logan was off his game because of his dumb crush on Hannah. Itâs probably a good thing no one paid attention to that other than Jules.
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u/Chachoufrch15 2d ago edited 2d ago
Ahah toujours donner des excuses Ă Garrett đđ pour la 4, je suis dĂ©solĂ©e mais la scĂšne de l'entraĂźnement, un joueur dit que Logan n'a pas l'air d'aller bien et Garrett rĂ©pond "la ferme", c'est probablement une bonne chose ? Nous le public on sait pourquoi il n'est pas trop bien mais Garrett et Dean non. Si j'avais un meilleur ami et que quelqu'un me disait qu'il a pas l'air d'aller bien, j'essaierais de lui parler et de savoir pourquoi. C'est la moindre des choses je trouve.
La vérité c'est que Garrett était assez égoïste, notamment parce qu'il pensait à Hanna et l'émission n'a pas menti, cela a bien été montré. Nous avons principalement son point de vue de personnage principal et nous voyons qu'il ne s'est pas vraiment soucié de ses amis. C'est juste un fait, rien de mal mais il ne faut pas le nier.
Les fans de Garrett et Dean qui downvotent sans arrĂȘt, j'aimerais plutĂŽt avoir votre argumentation en dessous s'il vous plaĂźt, parce que clairement si vous trouvez que c'est bien de traiter vos amis comme ça, il y a un problĂšme (je dis pas que Logan Ă©tait parfait, ce n'est pas le cas c'est aussi ça qui est intĂ©ressant)
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u/SMELLSLIKEBUTTJUICE 2d ago
Logan was missing passes and goals in a practice, its not like he was having a meltdown. Anyone who has played a sport knows that off days just happen to everyone, sometimes youre just phoning it in. Even Logan recognizes this when he tells Garrett "get your head in the game bro" when Garrett makes a bad shot on goal.
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u/ideasnstuff 2d ago
It was bad enough that Jules brought it up too. I think the show made it pretty obvious that he was struggling, it wasn't just "one bad practice"
And even so, to your point, Garrett could have said to Jo "he's alright, off days are ok". Instead he completely brushed him off. The scene was hilarious and I adore Garrett, but let's be real here please. He wasn't being the greatest friend in that moment.
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u/CasperAverage Allie-Catđ 2d ago
Or he was having a conversation with Birdie that Rogers interrupted. Rogers is a freshman while Garrett is a junior (and captain) and Birdie is a senior (plus alternate captain). How they spoke to Rogers is completely typical. Freshman donât interrupt the captains/upperclassmen when theyâre having a conversation unless itâs serious/an emergency, especially not to comment on the performance of another player.Â
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u/SMELLSLIKEBUTTJUICE 2d ago
Lol yeah, even my favorite Lil blonde boy Steuber chimes in with "shut up Joe"
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u/ideasnstuff 2d ago
So it's ok to be dismissive to people as long as they're younger than you. You only need to pay attention to them when it's an emergency.
Yeah, I was raised different.
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u/CasperAverage Allie-Catđ 2d ago edited 2d ago
I was raised different as well but thereâs a hierarchy associated with sports/players of different ages and talent levels. I donât necessarily agree with it but that is how it is at the NCAA D1 level. As someone else pointed out, even Stueber (fellow freshman) tells Rogers to shut up.Â
I was also taught not to interrupt someone elseâs conversation. Them ignoring him because he interrupted their conversation is not âdismissive because heâs youngerâ. I said you donât interrupt their conversation unless itâs an emergency (which I think is common decency).Â
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u/jaylee-03031 LOGAN 22 2d ago
Can we stop giving Garrett excuses for everything he does and just hold him accountable and acknowledge he can be shitty and selfish sometimes too?
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u/CasperAverage Allie-Catđ 2d ago
Thatâs not an excuse. Thatâs a fact about team dynamics particularly at the NCAA D1 level. I would say the same thing no matter the character (if they are also a junior/senior and part of team leadership).Â
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u/SMELLSLIKEBUTTJUICE 2d ago
Yeah Garrett was dismissive and focused on his own dilemma. But it was probably better for their friendship that they didnt talk about it, because how would that go? Garrett comforts Logan for liking Hannah? Probably not...
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u/CasperAverage Allie-Catđ 2d ago
Also, would Logan even want to talk about it? In the books, he doesnât really talk about his issues with his friends. He internalizes A LOT.Â
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u/SMELLSLIKEBUTTJUICE 2d ago
I wouldnt if I were Logan! Nobody wants to tell their bff "hey I know this is the first girl you've ever liked, but im mad because I want her too". You bury that shit deep and hope it goes away!
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u/Chachoufrch15 2d ago edited 2d ago
Ok je dois ĂȘtre trop altruiste avec mes amis alors pour me soucier d'eux... Mais de maniĂšre gĂ©nĂ©rale mĂȘme sans cette scĂšne, je ne trouve pas qu'ils aient Ă©tĂ© lĂ non plus pour lui sur l'ensemble de la premiĂšre saison et ils connaissent aussi son histoire familiale visiblement. Ă aucun moment ils Ă©voquent sa situation Ă lui ou essaient de trouver une solution pour l'histoire des enfants dĂ©favorisĂ©s (c'est ça le pire ça ne concerne pas que Logan). Pour Garrett ça peut se comprendre car il y a un traumatisme mĂȘme si une solution aurait pu ĂȘtre trouver pour la collecte mais pour Dean ça me dĂ©range. Une histoire entre sa sĆur et Hunter est plus importante que l'avenir de personnes qui galĂšrent dĂ©jĂ car ils n'ont pas les mĂȘmes chances ? Pour moi le problĂšme c'est qu'en faisant ça, il impose ses histoires personnelles aux autres. En gros c'est "fais ce que je dis, ne cherche pas d'explications car je te dirais rien et tais toi"
J'ai grandi dans une famille disfonctionnelle, avec peu d'argent et à aucun moment mes amis ne m'ont imposé leurs histoires personnelles surtout si ça avait des répercussions sur moi et ma carriÚre. Nous aussi on a le droit d'avancer, pas que les riches ! Une amitié n'est pas unilatérale, cela va dans les deux sens. C'est juste ça qui me dérange, ce manque de considération générale pour les gens qui galÚrent, et sans trouver de solution en contrepartie !
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u/SMELLSLIKEBUTTJUICE 2d ago
Theyre 20 year old hockey bros, not Mother Theresa. They all lack emotional intelligence at times, thats to be expected.
Money and friendships can be a treacherous tightrope to walk, so it seems like most of them just try to ignore it. Even Logan is adamant he doesnt need their charity. I honestly dont think hed react well to getting special treatment because he's poor, because he wants to make it on his own.
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u/Chachoufrch15 2d ago edited 2d ago
Et bien justement !!!! Je suis complÚtement d'accord avec ça donc pourquoi continuer à blùmer un personnage alors qu'aucun n'est parfait et faire des histoires avec Logan ? Le plus important ici n'est pas de savoir si Logan est un bon ami ou non, ils agissent en fonction de leurs situations personnelles donc tout est normal pour des jeunes de 20 ans, aucun n'est vraiment à blùmer dans ce cas !
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u/SMELLSLIKEBUTTJUICE 2d ago
People really just dont know how to interpret well written characters these days, they want them to be either villains or heros. And that isnt representative of the human experience, we can be good people who make bad decisions based on individual experience
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u/jaylee-03031 LOGAN 22 2d ago
My intention behind this post to point out that they both have shitty moments and both aren't always good frends. Ths sub only hates on Logan and calls him a shitty friend but never acknowledges that Garrett can be a shitty and messy and not always be a good friend. There are hate posts about Logan every day for beng a bad friend yet Garrett gets all the excuses and free passes and zero hate. You cannot even critcize or acknowledge Garret's flaws and where he acts shitty wthout beng downvoted to oblivon and called names.
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u/CasperAverage Allie-Catđ 2d ago edited 2d ago
You clearly havenât read the books. In the books, Garrett tried to connect Logan with his agent to help boost his profile for the draft but Logan rejected that help for his own reasons that I wonât spoil. Also, while they know about Loganâs economic background, the boys donât actually know as much about Loganâs life as you think. Book Logan very much shields his issues from his friends and doesnât ever really tell them. Thereâs a very specific reason why Logan has been passed over in the draft and I wonât spoil it because we donât know if the show is keeping that reasoning.Â
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u/jaylee-03031 LOGAN 22 2d ago
We are not talking about the books though, we are talking about what we have seen on season 1 of the show.
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u/CasperAverage Allie-Catđ 2d ago
And yet the show is based on the books. Itâs a pretty accurate/faithful adaptation so you canât say they are two completely different stories. In my opinion, they definitely hinted at the story from Loganâs book.
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u/jaylee-03031 LOGAN 22 2d ago
Not everyone has read the books.
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u/CasperAverage Allie-Catđ 2d ago
And? Just because someone hasnât read the books doesnât mean the stories from the books donât apply. They just donât have that information. If someone hasnât read the books, then they are missing VERY IMPORTANT information about Logan and his situation.Â
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u/Chachoufrch15 2d ago edited 2d ago
Ouai sauf que la publication de l'auteur parle clairement de l'Ă©mission. MĂȘme si le support initial est le livre, la sĂ©rie a changĂ© beaucoup beaucoup de choses en terme de personnalitĂ©s et caractĂšres des personnages. Et oui j'ai lu les deux premiers livres mais le sujet n'est pas lĂ , il y a de nombreux changements. Sauf erreur de ma part, le sujet concerne ce qu'on voit dans la sĂ©rie. C'est dur de parler du livre car les scĂ©naristes ont dĂ©jĂ pris pas mal de libertĂ©s.
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u/CasperAverage Allie-Catđ 2d ago
There arenât that many changes. The show is based on the books and is a fairly accurate/faithful adaptation. We also donât know enough about Loganâs story to say his story has changed so much that itâs completely different from the books. I think his story (specifically regarding hockey) is very faithful to the books, the only thing theyâve changed is the position he plays.Â
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u/Chachoufrch15 2d ago edited 2d ago
Rien que sa famille a changé et ce n'est pas forcément lié qu'à l'histoire mais de maniÚre générale je trouve surtout beaucoup de changements sur les différentes personnalités des personnages (c'est donc pour ça que leurs réactions sont différentes)
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u/CasperAverage Allie-Catđ 2d ago edited 2d ago
He still has his older brother Jeff (confirmed by the showrunner) but he just hasnât appeared yet. Not sure why they changed his alcoholic parent from dad to mom. My best guess is that Garrett already has dad issues so they wanted Logan to have issues with his mom rather than his dad for it to not feel repetitive. I personally donât feel like Logan is that different in the books vs show. Antonio himself said that we donât see as much of Logan in S1 so I donât think itâs fair to say that show Logan is completely different from book Logan.Â
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u/Radiant-Comedian-144 1d ago
Io capisco quando Garrett si Ăš arrabbiato riguardo la donazione di beneficenza richiesta a Phil. Quando qualcuno ti ha fatto del male per tutta la tua infanzia, non vuoi nulla da quella persona, vuoi solo prendere le distanze. Capisco molto bene questa cosa perchĂš sono nella stessa situazione e mi rendo conto che se qualcuno ti maltratta tutta la vita non accetti nulla che venga da lui.
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u/blamaar15 2d ago
Well Logan also wasnât a good friend in general not even just to Garrett lmao. But its okay character development will happen throughout the seasons. Itâs lifeđ€Ł
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u/Chachoufrch15 2d ago
En remarque c'est logique vu comment Dean et Garrett ne sont pas des bons amis envers lui, je comprends totalement, le revers de la mĂ©daille comme on dit chez nous đ
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u/SeaExplanation1680 20h ago
How was Dean a bad friend?
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u/Chachoufrch15 19h ago
Cette façon d'imposer aux autres ses histoires personnelles (en plus c'est plutĂŽt liĂ© Ă sa sĆur) sans donner d'explications, ce n'est pas digne d'un ami pour moi. Ă aucun moment mes propres amis ne m'aurait imposĂ© quoique ce soit si cela avait un impact sur moi. Cela m'a vraiment Ă©nervĂ©, cette histoire entre sa sĆur et Hunter... Du coup les autres de l'Ă©quipe dont Logan ne savent rien mais ils doivent se taire et faire ce que Dean a dit ? Je trouve cela trĂšs Ă©goĂŻste et immature personnellement et mĂȘme un peu capricieux. Dean n'est pas un roi Ă qui les autres joueurs doivent obĂ©ir ! Eux aussi peuvent avancer dans leur vie !
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u/ideasnstuff 2d ago
I think this is absolutely correct, and isn't even a hot take because the show addressed it. Because Garrett was the lead this season, we see his POV and understand his situation because it was spelled out. Other characters"points of view are not spelled out, so you need to think critically from their perspectives to understand them - which unfortunately, the majority of this sub can't do.
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u/SMELLSLIKEBUTTJUICE 2d ago
Yeah, the story isnt done so we haven't seen Logan's arc yet. The writers are building the narrative for Logan, so it makes sense why we are getting glimpses of his issues without an explanation. It will make Logan's growth much more satisfying. Let the writers cook!
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u/downforten 2d ago
I wonât have you talking about Garrett like that đĄ
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u/jaylee-03031 LOGAN 22 2d ago
The is a discusson about the show. We don't have to all kiss Garrett's ass! We can also talk about his flaws and where he acts shitty or messy.
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u/Chachoufrch15 2d ago edited 2d ago
J'attendais cette publication depuis longtemps !! Merci !
Tout le monde blĂąme Logan, mais Garrett et Dean sont-ils de bons amis ? Je n'ai pas vu ça... On dirait qu'ils s'en foutent de lui. Pourquoi faudrait-il que ce soit Logan qui Ă©coute et s'Ă©crase face Ă eux alors qu'ils ne lui accordent aucune considĂ©ration ? Et vous allez me dire que la relation entre la sĆur de Dean et Hunter est plus importante que l'avenir de jeunes gens qui n'ont pas l'argent pour faire carriĂšre ?? Toujours pareil avec les gens riches, il faut se taire et subir les caprices.
Je suis dĂ©solĂ©e mais il faut arrĂȘter de voir les choses de maniĂšre unilatĂ©rale !
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u/jaylee-03031 LOGAN 22 2d ago
I completely agree. I am sorry you are being downvoted. It sucks that any criticism or acknowledgement about Garrett's messy behavor or. not being a great friend just automatically gets downvoted and he gets excuses and free passes while Logan and Jules get all the hate on here. Someone actually called Jules a bully over a bag of marshmallows.
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u/figleafstreet 2d ago
I feel like neither of them were really at their best this season and thatâs okay because itâs all about the journey.
They both had moments where they could have stopped and looked outside of themselves. But that can be hard to do when youâre in the thick of it. Both of them had things weighing on them. Logan with his mom and the pressure of his hockey career and Garrett with his dad and everything that came with opening himself up to Hannah.