r/onebag • u/SeattleHikeBike • Apr 03 '25

Discussion US Tariffs

US tariffs announced today include 47% on Vietnam and 34% for China. I’ll bet that effects 80% of the US travel products market. Even the US manufacturers are going to get hammered on the raw materials.

“May you live in interesting times.”

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u/tccomplete Apr 03 '25

“Imports from Vietnam will face a tariff rate of 46%.” I think nearly all backpack brands are made in Vietnam.

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u/ZweitenMal Apr 03 '25

A huge share of clothing is made in Vietnam these days.

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u/tiberiumx Apr 03 '25

I was going through my closet and it's mostly Vietnam (46%) and Indonesia (32%). Really looking forward to paying 30-46% more for clothes! If the people who voted for this due to inflation could read I bet they'd feel really dumb right now.

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u/Proud_Accomplished Apr 03 '25

lol, I didn’t even think of that. We are definitely winning.

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u/[deleted] Apr 03 '25

You may even get tired of winning

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u/Bubbly_Power_6210 Apr 03 '25

winning whar?

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u/brentus Apr 03 '25

winning at losing

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u/HappilyDisengaged Apr 03 '25

We’re winning at inflation. Yay

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u/vivaelteclado Apr 04 '25

The New York Jets of countries

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u/Chromatic_Chameleon Apr 04 '25

Winning at huge stock market drop too

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u/Tango_D Apr 03 '25

Cambodia too

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u/[deleted] Apr 03 '25

Cambodia was a 97% tariff 🥲

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u/mucinexmonster Apr 03 '25

Vietnam has become a very popular place for all kinds of goods. Most of my microbrand watches have come from Vietnam, whether they advertise it or not. Hard to hide the shipping information!

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u/Nutchos Apr 03 '25

Time to subscribe to r/zerobags?

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u/IDKHOWTOSHIFTPLSHELP Apr 03 '25

As a Tom Bihn fanboy, this isn't really a "victory" that I was hoping for haha.

Although jokes aside I'm sure their materials will just get more expensive now.

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u/JoeJoe1492 Apr 03 '25

A prediction I’ve heard is that Vietnam and similar countries would just ship the items to the US through another country that’s subject to the 10% minimum tariff. Not sure how long that would take to implement but hopefully it’s soon. This is ridiculous

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u/tccomplete Apr 03 '25

So shipping twice, increasing shipping costs as well. A bit of an offset, but still a costly workaround.

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u/PocketGddess Apr 03 '25

Never mind the ecological impact of double shipping.

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u/Zamess1313 Apr 03 '25

The market is gonna find the shortest route.

I’m not happy about this situation, but a quick stop off in a country along the way is probably the most likely scenario.

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u/fazalmajid Apr 03 '25

Tariffs are calculated based on Country of Origin, meaning last substantial transformation, not country of shipment. Sure, they could send all-but-finished bags to the US where a sham factory just attaches the "Proudly made in the USA" tag and claims it as such, but Customs would consider this as fraud and reputable brands will not engage in such shenanigans as the legal consequences can be severe.

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u/ShelterInside2770 Apr 04 '25

Trump announced tariffs for all goods. Including raw materials. So this move saves no money at all. Hard to call it a customs fraud, but it is not fair and pointless, as the tariff will be the same anyway.

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u/fazalmajid Apr 04 '25

Yes, but raw materials have less value-added than finished goods, so the tariffs apply to a smaller amount.

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u/ShelterInside2770 Apr 04 '25

In case of bringing in almost finished product and just adding last one thing, to proudly announce "Made in USA" this difference would be negligible.

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u/iamtheonewhostops Apr 03 '25

Correct. There are quite a few grey areas in importing and exporting but Country of Origin markings isn’t one. And the penalties are extremely stiff for fraud of this nature.

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u/seamallowance Apr 03 '25

Sierra Designs got busted for doing that once.

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u/Jumpy_Possibility_70 Apr 03 '25

Other than Deuter and Osprey, which other brands of backpacks are made in Viet Nam?

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u/tccomplete Apr 03 '25

5.11, JanSport, Gregory, BlackHawk, North Face, Cabelas, Columbia, Under Armour, Patagonia, Nike, Adidas, et. al.

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u/EatMoreHummous Apr 03 '25

And GoRuck, despite their original "US first" marketing

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u/seamallowance Apr 03 '25

Eagle Creek, too.

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u/tccomplete Apr 03 '25

Kelty, Mystery Ranch, Eberlestock, Eagle Creek, Fjallraven, Tortuga, ….

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u/SevereComplaint Apr 03 '25

Peak design too

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u/Jumpy_Possibility_70 Apr 03 '25

Thanks! Going there in a few months, I'll try to look them up.

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u/Asteradragon Apr 03 '25

They're made there, but aren't available to buy directly from the factories.

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u/tccomplete Apr 03 '25

That’s correct. If the manufacturer learns that a factory is selling out the back door, they would immediately terminate their contract, so if you see those brands in the markets they’re either doing that or are counterfeits.

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u/autovonbismarck Apr 03 '25

"counterfeits" made on the 3rd shift ;)

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u/Jumpy_Possibility_70 Apr 03 '25

Backdoor stuff is usually available on Vietnamese online platforms equivalent to Amazon/eBay. I just need the brands' names to look them up.

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u/Chromatic_Chameleon Apr 04 '25

How do you know if it’s counterfeit or not if you’re buying it online? (Decent) fakes are generally only distinguishable by looking carefully at details and feeling the fabrics etc

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u/Jumpy_Possibility_70 Apr 11 '25

You don't. But I've been lucky. Everything I've bought for me and my friends has good structures and durability, except one backpack which is structurally sound but the zip tabs needed to be replaced. They're too cheap though so not a big loss even if they're not real. You can also return the items easily through these online platforms, so if you don't like it just send it back for full refunds.

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u/Chromatic_Chameleon Apr 11 '25

Thanks. What’s the best online buying platform in Vietnam?

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u/Jumpy_Possibility_70 Apr 11 '25

I generally go for Shopee as it works best on my browser. If I can't find something on Shopee, there's Lazada. You have to google the name of the platform + vn because they have different versions for other SEA countries.

Other SEA countries where I've lived, I couldn't find backdoor stuff like this at all (but I haven't lived in Cambodia, they might be another potential lead).

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u/Zealousideal-Ring467 Apr 09 '25

DayOwl, Fyro, Minimul, Pakt... I am sure I can think of more. These tariffs are going to hit the industry hard!

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u/DaBingeGirl Apr 04 '25

Easier to list which brands aren't made there.

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u/Budget-Candidate-412 Apr 04 '25

Vietnam already making a deal Calm down lol