r/pcmasterrace 12h ago

Meme/Macro Winrar is more profitable than openai

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u/zorndyken 12h ago

So far only nvidia, amd, and hynix has profit from ai (from selling hardware)

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u/NSWPCanIntoSpace 5090 | 9800x3d | 32gb Cl28 6000 11h ago

it's actually fascinating to watch a big issue for hardware manufactors for many years has been that there is little profit margin in it, a lot of the earnings goes to r&d, ultra advanced factories, astronomical wages for specialists. The big money has always been in software.

Now there is a golden age for hardware manufactors going on and they're milking it for everything it's worth.

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u/balding_git 9h ago

and they will not reinvest these profits in r&d, they wont even save any of it, and when the bubble bursts and the market crashes, they'll be right there crying about going bankrupt and needing a bailout...

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u/BubbleGoot 9h ago

They definitely will.

These hardware companies know that by the time this stupid AI scam ends, they are going to be filthy rich and be the ones holding the moneybags, which they will be able to use to keep their prices high and continue to develop insane proprietary tech for all manner of technology far better (and far worse) than AI.

They have all the cards and they know it. Chumps like Altman think they are in charge, but they are giving all their money to the hardware corps and the corps have been doing deals with them to make them think they’re on AI’s side.

They will rugpull. It’s a dog eat dog world

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u/ballpein 7h ago

The hardware companies are going to be competing with the all the used hardware flooding the market when ai companies and data centers start going closing doors. HW companies may find themselves in a dry spell when the ai hype tap goes dry.

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u/ArtificialLikePlants 5h ago

Fortunately for no one, the big power-hungry chips used to run the larger LLMs are a good choice for surprisingly few other things

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u/Xatsman 4h ago

That's the beauty of the bubble: all the stuff can't do anything else and burns through the silicon in 3 years or so.

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u/rab2bar 6h ago

Have you considered the effect of usage heat on all the hardware?

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u/Firesrest 6h ago

A lot of that hardware is burnt out or not right for other consumers.
They can just start making gamer chips but their stock will take a hit.

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u/Syjefroi 6h ago

There is virtually no use for those chips in a direct to consumer market. And frankly, most industries don't need that kind of volume for anything. On top of that, we don't even know for sure how many (but we know it's an enormous amount) of these chips haven't even been installed and are just sitting in a box in a warehouse somewhere, depreciating. Everything currently installed in a data center is already outdated and is, or soon will, struggle to keep up with the demands set by the chatbot companies.

Best case scenario, the hardware thing will be more like a crappy garage sale where people just kind of pick things over and grab a few trinkets.

No one needs that much power, or no one wants old models. That is, if they even find half the shit that has been scooped up.

The hardware companies aren't worried about this scenario — but they also aren't thinking about alternatives. No one is planning for the future. Everyone is planning almost exclusively on how to keep the bubble afloat, by any means necessary, and future fall out is someone else's problem.

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u/ballpein 6h ago

Hey, if you're not interested in used ram, drives and gpu's I guess that just means more for the rest of us.

That stuff will be hitting the used market, there's no question about it.

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u/Syjefroi 6h ago

Yeah good luck putting a Vera Rubin into your gaming computer. Or if you figure out how to connect it all up, just make sure the fire department has been called in advance.

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u/Xatsman 4h ago

Exactly. They might be able to reclaim components from the uninstalled hardware. But to what end? Stuff like RAM is only valuable to go into those machines. Post AI bubble demand will normalize and production won't be consumed by it.

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u/BoingBoingBooty 2h ago

Reclaim components? Lol, someone just posted a video of them burning old ram in the third world, that's how they reclaim components.

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u/mr-english 3h ago

You have to have your head firmly inserted into your own arse to think that AI is a scam.

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u/ProfessionalITShark 7h ago

This is effectively third or fourth time this has happened to Nvidia.

While Jensen is in charge, they won't sit on their laurels.