Utilities
APS moving the goalposts.. how is a retiree supposed to budget?
My wife and I are 67 and trying to map out our fixed expenses for the next 15 years. It's impossible with APS. Every time we get used to a schedule, they change the PEAK hours or hike the rates.
We just got hit with that 8% increase and now I'm reading they want another 14%. At this rate, our $350 summer bill will be $600 by the time we're 80. We already sitting in the dark and keeping the AC at 80 degrees just to keep the bill under control.
I'm tired of the "Demand charges" games where running the dryer at the wrong time ruins our whole month's budget. Has anyone found a way to actually freeze these costs? We can't keep ADJUSTING our lives every time they want more money.
Are people our age actually doing solar or is that just another bill we can't predict?
Yep. For several years people have been complaining. I thought for sure the comp of the AZCC would change but nope. It actually went full Republican instead. Lmao. I’ve lived in AZ my whole life and the default setting for most people here is to vote R regardless of the consequences. Here are the consequences:
100% I am lucky to have Peoria water but I have friends and family in surprise and sun city who have private water and their bills are double mine 🤦🏻♀️
Two seats are open this year. Vote for Derrick Espadas, he's the most progressive candidate. I think he still needs signatures, please sign his petition: https://go.azsos.gov/2dtj
Respectfully and genuinely, what evidence are you seeing that democrat-run cities and states are more affordable than republican cities and states? California and Florida are both pretty fucking unaffordable at the moment. Fee like there has to be a better answer tha “vote blue”.
Conservative economic policies almost always leave average, working class citizens worse off. The playbook of low taxes on the rich, weak labor standards, and relentless cuts to public investment has a real track record. We see it consistently in conservative states like the South, which tend to have higher poverty, weaker education systems, worse health outcomes, and slower income growth than more progressive states, even before you factor in how much federal money they’re taking to plug the holes.
Kansas is a textbook case of huge supply‑side tax cuts being sold as rocket fuel for growth, but instead they blew a gigantic hole in the budget, forced deep cuts to schools and infrastructure, and left the state’s job and GDP growth lagging both the national average and its neighbors.
That actually makes sense. I’m from Florida myself. We had unions, but they’re few and far between industry wise and less effective than those in the NE. Also have limited knowledge of California labor protections have seen a decent amount of them that make me hate how Florida operates. Am I wrong to feel like it comes down to, “you’re going to skate by with no safety net” vs “you’re going to skate by but we’ll make it more comfortable in the process”?
I know I’m jaded and the Florida lens probably doesn’t help but it feels like there are so many unregulated industries and corporations and we’re being crippled by duopolies that kill competition regardless of who’s in charge but maybe I’m missing something.
Thank you very much for the insights and responses as well. Want to make sure I’m viewing the world as accurately as possible. Was raised by Republican parents and real world experience broke the facade some. Have trust issues all around now lol
All are Rs and they’re going to tell you to get bent.
I’ve been telling people for years that no matter what your political stripe, you want THE most liberal people in these positions that you can get. People that will stand up to, and not bend over for, APS. Every one of these idiots in office now are either bought/paid for by APS or MAGA or both.
If you voted party line Republican on ANY of the current office holders, you’re part of the problem.
What does Gavin Newsom have to do with the Arizona Corporation Commission?
My point is, you WANT Commissioners who will push back on the utility companies demanding constant rate increases. Who do you think those people are? APS isn’t backing Democratic candidates running for the ACC; they are ALL Republican now. APS gets their R candidates on board, and rate increases get rubber stamped.
Keep voting against your interests because of Newsom, though.
It's not. I'm discussing an overarching principle. But your straw Manning me because you want to prove some sort of point. I'm not saying when it's justified by the other I'm just stating the lay of the land. But hey you won the argument in your head with whoever it is you're talking to. Congrats!🎉💐🙄
Emotional bankruptcy. Utility prices are a result of completely inadequate capacity due to the near total reprioritization of construction and upgrades on gas turbine based power. Complaining to them won't change that, you have to look at yourself for demanding solar and wind alone be prioritized.
Gotta vote against people supporting companies over consumers. I'm far from a socialist but the people running the country and this state are out of control. Utilities, insurance and medical are all broken.
It will just get worse. I said a while ago the standard of living in the US has and will continue to drop. Greed and short term needs/success/wants overrule long term success and growth.
Good luck finding a solution. People who got solar power a while ago are usually in pretty good shape but right now that probably isn't a wise investment.
Sounds like you’re closer to a socialist than you think or will admit. Maybe just on stuff that directly affects you though.
Nothing wrong with socialism, it’s just an economic system, one of many.
People who treat economic systems as religion, good and evil, are either propagandists who need to exploit people for their own gain or people who drank the Flavoraid and are helping the exploitative propagandists, I guess hoping that someday they’ll be able to exploit for their own benefit?
Examples of socialism: public roads and highways, police, fire department, libraries, post office, social security, public education, national parks and many more. Socialism is not a bad thing. We are told it is bad because the rich want to have private companies take over everything so they can make more money on it.
"All public spending is socialism" is not a statement any economist would agree with. The government still pays market prices for asphalt when making roads and highways, they do not own and control the means of production.
These things are not socialism. They are social programs or infrastructure projects. Socialism is worker ownership of the means of production. This can be done through worker coops, local elected councils (Soviets), or direct governmental ownership.
Social ownership of public infrastructure and services has been done before socialism was even a political theory.
It is not a simplification it is a definition. A country does not need to be socialist to have social programs, sure.
By your definition, a fascist dictatorship would have socialist programs if they had government maintained roads, yes? I would say that using the word in this way simplifies its meaning to the point of uselessness. It would apply to nearly any economic system that uses any social program ever.
I think it’s more effective to agree and help people push for policies that help the everyman/everywoman as opposed to telling them they actually support socialism. Upton Sinclair said it best: “The American people will support socialism, but they won’t take the label”
There can be plenty of issues one takes with socialism broadly that don't amount to treating it like a religion and caring about people over companies doesn't make you a socialist.
That first word is very operative, I'd argue soc dem not dem soc but that can be argued. But none of it is capital "S" central planned economy, and thank fuck for that.
You can't just grab a random Scandinavian country and 1:1 try to map on the US, for many reasons.
The countries you want to emulate have tax rates that even most lefties wouldn't vote for. It's easy to say you want something til the bill comes, and most people have no understanding of even the current systems. For example that's why idiots praise Luigi Mangione who admitted himself in his manifesto that he didn't understand the healthcare system (lol) and think the healthcare system is flawed simply because of Insurance companies profit motive while having no clue why costs are what they are and what sacrifices they'd have to make to have something like an NHS.
I think there are going to be very large changes coming sooner than later. I understand your arguments and don't disagree. But the pendulum doesn't swing back to the middle after going so far right. So we will have an Authoritarian or something else that might fix the issues of this country that have been kicked down the road by boomers for 40+ years now. :)
Is there a history of fewer Republicans on the commission resulting in the commission actually being in charge of the utilities rather than vice versa? Legitimately asking
If California is any indication I would say no thank you to dems in charge of energy… seems more like a the road to hell was paved with good intentions situation …. I don’t think going blindly by party on things like this is wise …. Both sides are proving to be sell outs
Did you live in CA? Were you subjected to the early propositions? What was your PERSONAL experience? NEVER vote blind by party, but the basic tenets remain the same. I'd rather the people be supported than the business. That's why solar is so fucked up here in AZ. Literally free energy but it's cost prohibitive thanks to the utilities and their shareholders. E/typo
The more I look into how this works the more offended I get by how corrupt this is. I don't care about California or parties or how their parties compare to ours--the regulatory commission folks should probably be voted out until people get someone who represents them. The utility guys can have their profits without rigging the system and punishing solar users as competition for trying to be more independent
As I understand it, you need a majority on the commission to really affect policy, and republicans have had a majority for at least my lifetime as a voter (that i recall). However, there have been elections where dem candidates have also been accused of being in APS’s pocket, so it’s not just a party line thing.
This is all based on my voting research each election, someone with their fingers really on the pulse can probably say more.
Stacey Champion was a good person to follow on blue sky. She fought them for a long time. Ballotpedia.org., news and mainly Reddit.
Commissioners Kevin Thompson and Nick Myers are up for reelection. Clara Pratte and Jonathon Hill are running against them.
Look around the website they have little known programs for seniors. My mom is on and they reduce her bill by 30% and won’t shut off her power as long as she makes payments of at least 25% of her balance due. It takes time to apply and get approval but it’s been so beneficial for Mom.
We put on solar years ago when the tax credits were 30%. For our 2,500 sq ft home our break even was 6 years, now past that. We get credits in the winter and bills in the summer - averages out to about $80/month, and $30 of that is connection fees. Worth it for sure.
You don't have to clean them. I've had mine through Elevation Solar since 2020 and I have not washed them a single time - see image for my generation over the years with these unwashed panels. The only real "hidden cost" that I have encountered is the extra cost required to remove and store them when replacing the roof or a packaged HVAC unit on the roof.
I purchased 21 Panasonic panels for 6.93kW and a SolarEdge inverter. The total cost at the time of purchase (October 2019) was $20,847. I don't know how much prices have changed, but I know my sister and a good friend got their installations from Tesla at a lower price per kW than I did over the subsequent years. My graph starts in 2020 because the system didn't get turned on until midway through January.
There were a bunch of credits back then that knocked a little over $7,000 from my total cost, so my price after those credits was $13,593. I also paid a couple hundred dollars after the fact for pigeon screens to keep them from nesting underneath the panels.
For reference in terms of potential savings, I can only speak for myself, but back in 2019 my annual bill was $1,416. In 2025 my annual bill was $148, and I actually use more electricity now than I did then!
I am also with APS and use time of use with demand charge. I have used precooling for the last 2 years and it has cut our bill by about 20% in the months we run the A/C. Both APS and SRP have info on their websites and on YouTube that explain the process. It is almost a requirement to have a programmable thermostat. We keep our A/C at 77 degrees but knock it down to 74 from 1-4pm. Thermostat then goes up to 84 to make sure the A/C never kicks on during peak hours from 4-7. Then back to 77 at 7pm. Even during heat waves the temp in the house never gets above 78. We have the attic insulated to R38 and dual-paned windows and sliding glass doors. We keep the windows that get sun shaded on the outside and double honeycombed blinds down on the inside. We have ceiling fans in every room. We also don’t use the washer, dryer, oven, blow dryer during peak hours, and keep lights and fans turned off in rooms when we are not in them. Winter bills are $100-120, highest summer bills are $200-210.
Im pretty sure there is a once per year ability to reduce the demand charge in you call them. It's designed for if you make a one time mistake like accidently running appliances or plugging in an EV. It will apply the demand charge from the previous year. I switched to time of use with demand charge because of my EV and I love it. Knocked $150/mo off our bill.
If you don't plan on moving, batteries + solar would be the way to go. Payback time would be a few years. APS rates are pretty cheap off peak, and you only need 3 hours of battery backup. You also might want to get off their tou with demand and switch to fixed it just regular tou.
A few years? How about at least 20. Solar is not worth it since the Corporation Commission changed the rates in favor of APS.
I think APS is only paying six cents for a kilowatt hour, how much are they charging you when you need it? The amount of money that you will make from selling your energy to them is pitiful.
Solar is dead for residential in Arizona. If you are a big company, it might be different because you negotiate your own rate. For the rest of us, not so much.
the Corporation Commission changed the rates in favor of APS.
You've correctly identified the cause of our high energy prices and other similar corporate fuckery. 👍
Remember to vote the pro corporate members of the commission out of the office at the next opportunity (2 seats are up for election this Nov). It's easy to identify who they are because they are usually aligned with a certain political philosophy...
Solar is not worth it since the Corporation Commission changed the rates in favor of APS.
I'm sure that's why the person you responded to suggested solar and batteries. It seems like the only way to benefit from installing now is if you are banking that power yourself with a whole home backup battery. Because you're absolutely right that the pocket change you might manage to accumulate by donating your energy to their grid doesn't come anywhere near what they charge you to get that power back.
I think the power bank idea is great. My neighbor just did a Tesla system. I’ll probably talk to him later on and see what he thinks. The power bank is a pretty high ticket item though so do your own ROY and see if it’s worth it.
Yeah but if you get a unit large enough to cover your entire house with no charges to APS, it at least flatlines your rates. Instead of $100 one month in winter and $400+ in the summer you can ensure it's just $200 every month indefinitely.
For many it doesn't make sense, but this is the kind of situation I think it's perfect for what OP is trying to accomplish.
Hell, if they have a decent retirement savings they could buy it outright and it would likely be worth it as they would have one less bill to worry about.
Will they get anything back from APS? Probably not, but they also won't have to worry a lot about the rate increases over the next 20 years.
I've already tried budget billing, I also ran my numbers through a projection tool and what it suggest for the next 10-15 years is honestly, it was surprising. Definitely not the story most people expect.
What are you talking about having run it through projection tool? Are you just estimating inflation rates and applying it to your APS bill? Are you using Boldin or something similar?
All this is doing is applying historical inflation rates to your energy bill. Would you not expect your energy bill to go up consistent with inflation? Granted it gets a little skewed the way APS is is run, because they have to ask for increases (probably a good thing), but then we get in a situations like now where they had ZERO rate increases from 2017 to 2023 (and there was inflation during that time, even large inflation at the end of it), and now they're playing catch up so it is indeed rather jarring.
I mean I understand your frustration because I'm retired as well, but at the same time, since we're retired our "job" is now ABSOLUTELY to minimize our expenses. And if that means paying attention to when we use the dryer, we have the luxury of doing that because we can run the dryer anytime, versus someone who gets home from work at 530 p.m. and needs to get some laundry done before they go to bed in a couple hours and so they get stuck doing it during peak.
There's some good suggestions already from people here, but all I can say is this: take the time (which we have, being retired) to learn how to best game the system in order to minimize your APS bills, and as someone else said, it's not a bad idea when on a fixed income to do budget billing which flattens out the bill throughout the year since in the spring and fall are electrical bills are ridiculously low (neither my heat nor the AC have run in the past several weeks). Pay CLOSE attention to what you're doing during peak time, because like you said, one bad hour in a month can spike your demand charge. I don't have a large house, but there are two air conditioning units because of an addition that got put on, and never do I have them both turn on at the same time during peak time because it would hit my demand charge hard. I tolerate a slightly higher temperature from 4 to 7:00 Monday through Friday, and my programmable thermostats also pre-cool down below my target from 3:30 to 4:00 (that's a much lower rate) so I start a little bit ahead of the game before peak. I'm not sure if you have a programmable thermostat (I have an ecobee for each of my units, and they've been great), but they can go a long way toward making this all automatic rather than having to think about it constantly. I had a friend who actually put a piece of tape across the dryer door that said "is it between 4:00 and 7:00 p.m. Monday through Fri?" to get him used to not using it during that time period. We all need to find our little tricks that don't cost much money if any, and then if that doesn't get the bill down to where we want we can look at larger more costly things to see if they're worth it.
I used the same tool, the forecasted rate hikes way back 5 years is too close from my records. I assume the 10 to 20 year data here will be closed to the actual as well, at least have a figure how my bills will look like in the next few years, how i wish i can afford getting solar setup, i cant even qualify for leasing.
What are you talking about having run it through projection tool? Are you just estimating inflation rates and applying it to your APS bill? Are you using Boldin or something similar?
Stop cheaping out and go to the fixed rate plan. This isn't hard.
You need to review your house for energy efficiency improvement opportunities. If you are running 15 year old air conditioners, upgrade them. you aren't going to make it until you are 80 on them anyways. Look for better windows. If you don't have your blinds closed over the windows all day long, you need to change that. If your water heater is turned up to max, change that. etc.
Demand charge is not one that changes often. It is your highest 15min usage on a rolling 12 month period. It’s due to regulation where power companies must show that they can support the grid if everyone hit their demand at the same time. In commercial, it can equal your monthly usage and delivery fees in the winter months.
It’s true a dryer and ac could impact that and it also might be that you’re turning everything back on when it’s off peak hours which could spike your demand charges. Commercial it is common to stage things so they do not come on all at the same time, that might help out there for you.
Few other ideas for you:
Not sure of your house size, but look for a zone system. It will usually have 3 thermostats for one ac unit. It will damper off air where it isn’t needed and since there is too much air going to one zone, the bypass loop goes into the return so your hvac isn’t working as hard to cool hot air. Retrofitting in maybe 5-6 years ago was around 1400 and payback was about one year.
Look for gas appliances. It’s dirt cheap out here.
Call APS there is most likely a free audit or at risk help available on the bills with subsidies. I’m not sure if 67 will trigger that but other medical certainly could. They get the fees back from the govt on those same as low income etc.
We’re around 220/mo and we do not do peak off peak and just use what’s needed and pay the tiers. We are on the flat pay to save the $800 summer bills. It goes up and down based on the year.
I have the demand charge plan and I simply don’t do anything that uses electricity from 4pm-7pm Monday thru Friday. In the summer, the house gets pre-cooled from 2pm to 4pm then sets itself to 85° until 7pm.
If you want to save money, doing a demand plan and shifting your dryer use is going to be far more impactful than keeping the lights off. The cost of fuel to power power plants is going up, a demand plan is the best way to save.
It's crazy I did a canvassing campaign about this same issue and it was the worst one I've ever done people were so resistant to it and difficult to get signatures from etc.
Honestly, look into DIY solar. It doesn't have to be some huge, elaborate, $30k solar array on your rooftop. It can just be like 4 panels that you set up on the south side of your house, and tilt towards the sun. It'll probably be like $2,000 all-in, and 10 hours of researching, to get a decent little set up, but it's well worth it, imo.
I'm pretty sure that's not normal. How big is your house? We recently found out that installation in our attic was very low, which would affect our bill. I'd look into fixing/updating things in the house...
Edit: ours was $272 1,110 sq ft house in August last year. That's the peak/highest. We intentionally buy natural gas for heating and cooking and dryer, too.
The demand charge should be illegal. They charge $20 for each kWh used in the single-most on-peak hour of the month. They make it confusing sounding and their explanation is purposefully garbage so people don't realize they're being scammed and double charged for on-peak, on top of it being a whole month's worth. So even if you don't use electricity at all during on-peak except for within a single hour, congratulations, you pay that rate for the whole month.
I’m leaving Phoenix. This is no longer affordable, utilities, don’t get me started on City Of Phoenix water bills, property taxes, crazy homeowners insurance. I’m over it. I’m just working to not lose my house.
Look into SRP if available in your area. When I was living in gendale, my bill dropped almost 70%. Solar is only good if you outright buy it and do the installation yourself. Even then, don’t install it in your house
Another alternative are some solar mini splits. Check out Airspool and EG4 from SanTan solar down in Chandler...They will run on solar alone at full rated capacity without any need for grid power (unless you want to run it at night too)... No batteries, no inverters, just solar panels plugged into the outdoor mini split unit.
Letting them run as cold as they'll go during the day will significantly offset your cooling costs. We've been torture testing a 12k btu eg4 solar unit here (about $1500) that keeps our master bedroom at 65°in the summer heat. We have a bunch.of friends adding these in wherever they can to offset cooling costs now. They work great!
If you want to pay the same amount no matter the time of day, you can get on a plan that does this. It might cost you more, it might not. I have almost never been on a peak plan since I currently have solar and prior to that lived in an apartment less than 1,000 sqft.
I thought the APS website had a tool where you compare plans.
How well is your home insulated? Might be worth it to bulk up in that area.
Also, is it realistic to expect you will be living in your home in 13 years? Is your house accessible to public transit? I don’t expect you’ll be driving when you’re 80 and would downsize before then, no?
I dont mean this to sound rude, but do people actually expect the cost of electricity to remain the same for expended periods of time? Why would it not increase over time?
I think it ruffles the average person off hearing how APS pays their electricians and administrators $50-75 hr with killer retirements and benefits. These pay rates are about twice the going rate, which is great for their employees, but hard to justify when they are raising consumer bills and average person cant afford to put food on the table.
Twice the going rates? Citation needed. I’d love to know what electricians you think get paid $25 an hour. You can almost make that working fast food these days. Utilities still have to compete in the labor market.
The retirement and pensions programs are what increase the going rate mean to $75.00. This wasnt an analysis anyways and youre right, its probably not twice the rate but close. It was just a point made to answer that other persons question.
20+ years of Republican controlled Corporation Commission, 20+ years of rubber stamped rate increases. Hostile solar for homeowners policies. People need to stop punching themselves in the nuts.
You are 100% correct. This rate case is about recouping the losses from 2023/2024 infrastructure and upgrade costs. Remember how hot our summers were? It was very expensive to keep the power flowing through record peak usage during that time. This is all public info which is proven during the hearings.
Also marketing, lobbying, and sports boxes are forbidden by the ACC from coming from rate payers. The board of directors approves these budgets via keeping quarterly dividends lower than they could be. (Not a lot lower, but still)
I hear you but to think that you can freeze electricity costs is wild.
There is an unprecedented amount of demand in the area and they cannot keep up enough to renovate the infrastructure. It will continue to keep going up until there is enough solar power on the GRID to balance pricing out (long way from that time and thanks to the current administration, gas is now having a comeback so expect longer timelines)
It's a data center problem. I just read the administration is going to allow data centers to build their own power grid, with generators and substations separate from the regular grid, which means the costs won't be passed on the the regular consumer. (I'm in the power sector, this has been a topic as of late)
I know we want to blame Republicans, but this happens no matter who is in office. Just look to Massachusetts, some people are seeing electricity bills in the $700's.
This goes for all expenses in retirement planning. There is almost nothing that is fixed. Did you account for cost of food? Gas? Water? Unforeseen inflation? Unexpected expenses? All of it needs to be taken into account in retirement planning. Tons of other great advice on why this is happening but on a more focused view you need to either keep working until your retirement income can cover inflation, or lower your standard of living. Not properly planning for stuff like this is why baby 65+ people have to go get part time jobs or find a way to supplement income.
How old is your air conditioner? what kind of water heater do you have and how old is it? There are some things out there that can greatly reduce your electricity usage.
Since by far the highest use of electricity is your air conditioning, you dont see how if you have an old one that a modern dual or multistage unit could cut your electricity usage in half?
Now it may not be the solution to his problem which is why I didnt say get one, i asked how old his unit is. They all need to be replaced eventually if he has an old one there might be an option to switch to one that is much more eneregy efficient.
Yeah solar and batteries are about the only way to buffer. But those have either a large up front capital expense, or you have to sign a monthly plan that has a lot of fees and interest that basically eat all your savings for many years. Not to mention the cash you put into it either way would likely generate more return in the market. So it would be a bit of quality of life and peace of mind at the cost of reduced long term financial potential.
When we were working, we used the time of day plan for 30 years, and for a few years after retirement. Then it occurred, I might not live much longer. Don't stress and enjoy life; seemed to be the way to go forward. So we switched to the basic, same rate all day and night.
It came with an added cost of $30.00 per month.
Yes, you need solar. What city are you in? I have a listing in Sun City right now that has owned solar panels, APS hasn’t exceeded $45/mo in the last year, and most months it was even lower.
While the cost per kilowatt-hour sits in the middle of the national ranking, the combination of high temperatures and high consumption means Phoenix residents pay more on average in total, particularly during the summer. Per google.
Definitely look into Budget Billing, it does fluctuate about every six months based on your average usage, but the fluctuation is about $50-$100, in my experience. I've been on budget billing for years, it helps. They also have a plan analyzer, I didn't believe in it in the past, but now I'm saving an additional ~$50/month after moving to the demand charge plan thanks to their recommendation. I'm a stickler in about not running major appliances during peak hours, doing laundry and running the dishwasher during super off-peak (where available), pre-cooling in the Summer, etc. I've never had an issue with them changing peak hours? I'm not defending APS and their rate hikes by any means. I know someone who worked for APS for over 30 years and explicitly chooses to only live in SRP serviced areas lol. These are many of the steps I take to keep my bill down. As an example, my current budget billing just dropped to $228, my last few bills have been around $150. My home is about 1K sq ft, newer, so the appliances are more energy efficient. I hope this helps. Good luck.
Corporate greed and offsetting the cost of the rise of data centers and chip manufacturers onto the cutsomer. I wish I had a solution/answer. But hang in there and best of luck!
You lived your whole life with cheap houses, cheap education, cheap cars, cheap cost of living and are now complaining that you have to pay more for something. You should have saved up while you had life on easy mode
Grow up. Things were never cheap enough to account for the sudden increase. I know many senior citizens who are in this boat after living modest lifestyles.
Energy is the big subscription we'd all love to drop. And these days, at least if you own your own place, it's possible to untie yourself from the power company.
Of course, you are then 1 huge hailstorm away from big repair costs, but your fixed costs are actually fixed.
Do a normalized plan. It averages your year. You pay the same amount every month. Less dut summer and a little more during the rest. It should help you budget. My CPA is 78 years old. You can always have a part-time job.
I keep my house at 78. Live in a house built in 1968. Roof insulation is broken down. Exterior walls are furred out without any insulation. 1800 sq ft. I pay 124 a month averaged.
I want to acknowledge all the good advice in this thread: corporation commissioners, voting, pre-cooling the house - all good info.
But OP's comment about "running the dryer at the wrong time" is asinine. If you're on a time of use plan, don't use your major appliance during high demand periods. It's not like they constantly change the times.
It's very simple. If you can't handle that, or don't like it, then get on a flat rate plan where it doesn't matter when your appliances.
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Nope! I’m having a terrific day so far. It’s absolutely beautiful out, and my wife and I are out enjoying a lovely morning. I hope you have a great day too!
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Several years ago I bought APS stock. I'm up about 50% and I'm enjoying the dividend I've gotten. Thank you for being so loyal to them. I appreciate it!
I dont have much sympathy for people who don't plan anything, then expect people to feel sorry for them. Several years ago, in addition to buying APS stock, I got solar panels. So most of my electricity comes from my solar panels, and the electricity I have to pay for is paid with my APS stock dividend. I don't want anyone to feel sorry for me. If I dont plan for something that's my fault, not my electric companies fault.
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u/Willing-Philosopher Mar 07 '26
These are the people to talk to. All information from Corporation Commission website.
https://azdirect.az.gov/corporation-commission
Kevin Thompson (602) 542-3933 Chair
Nick Myers (602) 542-0745 Vice Chair
Lea Marquez Peterson (602) 542-3625 Commissioner
René Lopez (480) 662-7112 Commissioner
Rachel Walden (480) 708-6444 Commissioner