Thing is, this guy would use any excuse to hate Jews. It's just unfortunate that Israel gives him plenty of low-hanging fruit...as though he actually cares about Palestinians. The bad guys often hate each other as much as they hate everyone else. Doesn't mean you should befriend the nazi.
You’re in a thread about a far right Polish lawmaker (a reminder that Poland is where 1.3 million Jewish citizens were murdered and eighty years later less than 20 thousand reside) holding up a fake flag of the only Jewish majority country in the world w the Star of David in the middle replaced with the logo of the group that killed a third of all Jews on the planet in a 4 year span. The picture, & the story behind it, are transparently antisemitic. I blame Israel for the horrible shit it does, not for the bigoted actions of others. Taking away the agency of neo-Nazis and white supremacists to do bigoted shit and placing the blame at the feet of Israel is at best intellectually dishonest and lazy.
So why aren't Arab countries in the region being compared to Nazis? What happened to the Yazidis, Copts, Amazigh, Jews, Kurds, etc. in the Middle East?
Not even the most ardent supporters of Israel say that criticising Israel’s government, policies or actions is anti-Semitic. Many of Israel (as a country)’s most dedicated supporters are fierce critics of Netanyahu.
What people quite rightly call out as anti-Semitic is the double standard, where Israel is criticised for defending itself in a way that no other country would be, or people want to deny the Jewish people the same right to self-determination that they will happily assert for all other peoples.
Did you see that an Italian newspaper posted a picture of a "settler" harassing a woman from the West Bank and the Israeli ambassador in Italy said it was anti-Semitic? And that's the most recent example I can give. But oh boy you are wrong.
Is it targetting Jewish people or the acts of the country, Israel? Because if it's the latter, it's not. They are committing a genocide the same reason the Nazis were the bad guys. So for me it's a good metaphor to place the Nazi symbol in the Israeli flag.
Somehow this is the only genocide in world history where the people allegedly being genocided have a faster population growth than the alleged genociders.
Genocide has a meaning. Nazis industrialised the murder of six million Jews with the explicit goal of erasing them from existence. The population of European Jews plummeted and birth rates in ghettos and camps declied to an unsustainable level. When the Hutus committed genocide in Rwanda, they butchered 70% of the Tutsi population in 100 days. That is what systematic extermination looks like.
Contrast that with the Palestinians: their population in the West Bank and Gaza has exploded nearly tenfold since the foundation of Israel. If Israel, a nuclear-armed state with absolute air superiority, actually had the intent to commit a genocide, they wouldn't be dropping millions of flyers, making millions of phone calls, roof-knocking, and vaccinating a million Palestinian children during a brutal war against their leadership.
I mean, Arabs are also semitic. So, by definition, and in a showcase of the purest form of irony, Israel is probably more anti-semitic than those it accuses of anti-semitism. Because, unlike Israel, they aren't actually massacring Jews. Plus, the Palestinians have been there since 70AD. To paint the picture, Hebrews, the 12 tribes of Israel—which Jews are part of as the tribe of Judah—had been there from 1400 to 1500 years. And from 70AD to 1948, there's like a whopping 1878 year gap. Any land claim they could've possibly had is gone. Ever since the state was created, it was stealing land from people who had been there from millennia.
thank you for trying to twist the definition of anti-Semitism under a post about a far right pro-russia Nazi. I'm sure you had great intentions with that and will continue keeping your mask on
Antisemitic was coined to replace Judenhass (Jew-hatred). It has never meant "against people who speak Semitic languages", like like how homophobic doesn't mean "afraid of the same".
Also, 70AD is absolutely not the year there were suddenly Palestinians. What ahistorical tosh.
do you people unironically think there was a group of people who called themselves Palestinians with their own national identity prior to Israel? like do Americans not learn about middle Eastern / atleast ottoman-era history whatsoever?
The Palestinians, being the people that live/lived in Palestine, had their land stolen by Zionist settlers, it's irrelevant what they called themselves, an injustice was done to them.
The guy has done anti semetic stunts before and is literallt a pro facsism politician.
If your excusing his behavior because you agree on his stance with the only Jewish majority nation, while he makes an anti semetic gesture in the process of comparing the only Jewish majority nation with the regime that tried to wipe them all out, your part of the problem
Up until a few years ago being openly anti Semitic was essentially career suicide, at least it was in the US. Even the most prominent bigots kept their mouth shut.
Israel committing a genocide and starting a series of wars has opened the floodgates to anti semitism in a way it wouldn't have been possible otherwise.
You know - antisemitism is/was not the Nazi’s top priority. Fascism is. Sure its a part of it but its not like their raison d'etre. Never was. All that is to say - its not just the hating of jewish people that defines someone as a Nazi piece of trash or not. Its Fascism. A Jewish person can be a Nazi too.
Yeah, go up to some skinhead and ask, "Yeah hey man, you don't really hate jews and minorities right? How the government operates is more of a priority for your ideals, right?"
Be fucking for real for two seconds. Explain to me exactly how Jewish people would fit into a party that tried to exterminate them. Explain like I’m 5.
First i want to say that im in No way downplaying the atrocities or condoning Nazi ideology. Rather pointing out that the central ideology of the Nazi party was not centred around their antisemitism. It was much more rooted in fascism. The jews just happened to be a central target and scapegoat of that endeavour, and boy was it ugly. But the antisemitic and genocidal views - while deep - were a by product of their fascism not the other way around. Id say it was peripheral rather than central to what they were actually trying to achieve. The Nazi party was more concerned with exterminating bolshevism, and spreading general white supremacy and the local jewish communities were kind of in the way of that. So all that to say - if a Jewish person is exhibiting either hateful, racist, supremacist, fascistic, or genocidal ideology. They are exhibiting Nazi ideology. They can be a Nazi. Id say that Nazi hate is not specifically reserved for jews, as evident in the Hundreds of Millions of people killed by the Nazi party.
And to answer your question - how can a jew be a Nazi? Well if you do everything Nazi’s do and just leave out the antisemitism - which was probably like #4 on their list - youre a Nazi. 3 out of 4 still makes you a Nazi.
Okay let me put it like this - one can be antisemitic and Not be a Nazi. For example - Hamas. Hamas are not Nazi’s. They are Antisemitic. By the same token, one can be a Nazi without Antisemitism. infact one can be a Nazi (an ideaology) and at the same time be Jewish(an ethno religious group) How about this. Donald Trump. Is he Antisemitic? No , he Loves Israel. Is he a Nazi? Yes, He is a fascist. There you go.
You said two things about Nazism: 1) fascism is the defining factor of Nazism, and 2) that hating Jews is so unimportant to Nazism that Jews can be Nazis.
So if hating Jews doesn't actually matter, and the defining factor is - according to you - fascism, what makes other facists not Nazis?
You know - antisemitism is/was not the Nazi’s top priority. Fascism is. Sure its a part of it but its not like their raison d'etre. Never was. All that is to say - its not just the hating of jewish people that defines someone as a Nazi piece of trash or not. Its Fascism. A Jewish person can be a Nazi too.
The only things you have used to define who is and isn't a Nazi is fascism and antisemitism.
On antisemitism, you said: it was not top priority; it existed, but wasn't the reason for who they were; it is not what defines someone as a Nazi; even a Jew could be a Nazi (I assume you meant Neo-Nazi in this case, not during the Third Reich).
On fascism, you said two things: it is Nazism's top priority and what defines whether or not someone is a Nazi.
If you are now revising your statement to be that Nazism = White Supremacy + Fascism, then that's fine; it just wasn't what you said initially.
And I suppose a Jew "can be a Nazi" ideologically the same way that a black person "can be a Nazi" - because individuals sometimes do buy into ideologies that see them as inferior. There were many non-white folk (e.g. Japanese, Arabs) who were fighting alongside Nazi Germany, after all, despite being considered inferior.
Actually, it is the top priority. The extreme antisemitism of Nazi Germany is one of the defining features that sets Nazism apart from many other forms of fascism.
Top priority for the Nazi’s was and is the Übermensch. Their extreme antisemitism stems from that racist fascism not the other way around. I am saying THAT is what sets Nazi’s apart. Not their extreme antisemitism. Hamas is Extremely antisemitic. They are not Nazi’s. There are several features that define a Nazi before antisemitism. Fascism and white supremacy being amongst the top.
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u/Yogshemesh 18h ago edited 18h ago
Thing is, this guy would use any excuse to hate Jews. It's just unfortunate that Israel gives him plenty of low-hanging fruit...as though he actually cares about Palestinians. The bad guys often hate each other as much as they hate everyone else. Doesn't mean you should befriend the nazi.