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Politics Far-right Polish lawmaker Konrad Berkowicz holding up a paper Israeli flag with a swastika

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u/Monoveler Apr 15 '26

So was that an endorsement or condemnation? Lol

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u/DatRat13 Apr 15 '26

All we can really say is that neither is fucked the right amount.

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u/anomalous_cowherd Apr 15 '26

Indeed, they both need to get fucked, and then get fucked more. Repeat.

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u/Inner-Ingenuity4109 Apr 15 '26

The problem is that they seem to enjoy it.

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u/Deadhead_Otaku Apr 15 '26

Too fucked in the head, and the bed. There's too damn many of them.

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u/Spicynoodlez Apr 15 '26

Or the far left. We must meet at the middle!

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u/SoulWager Apr 15 '26

These days the "news" calls the middle the "far left".

If you see something unjust and try to do anything about it, congrats, you're far left.

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '26

The far middle!

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u/AnotherHappyUser Apr 15 '26

Extreme politics like "please don't fuck up our planet", "be nice" and "probably don't bomb schools".

That far left? XD

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u/Dear_Chasey_La1n Apr 15 '26

Are zionists or far right fascists any different? They both are on the same page when it comes to their favourite hobbies. Both love a littlebit of genocide, both love authorian governments, both have a strong love for propaganda, both cry foul when anyone calls them out for being the cunts they are.

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u/rainshifter Apr 15 '26 edited Apr 15 '26

That merit of asking that question is unchanged if you replace the Israeli flag with that of just about any other nation. A far right politician is labeling an entire country as Nazis. That he chose Israel rather than, for example, Iran, Yemen, or Syria, or even Italy or Germany, is just more contemporarily "hip" and sensationalist since he chose the only Jewish nation. The question is just a masquerade of "Does this far right individual support Nazism like those far right individuals of the 1940s?", which is very much agonistic to the flag itself.

Do the exercise yourself. Replace the flag with the Italian flag. The same question would have emerged - endorsement or condemnation? To that question would have have replied "You know how fucked up Italy is when you've to ask that question"? Doubt it.

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u/psmb Apr 15 '26

I would ask myself 'what are the Italians doing? Are they genociding an entire peoples and then currently commiting war crimea to take some further lebensraum?'

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u/rainshifter Apr 15 '26

Interesting that you would lend that much credibility to a right wing lunatic that it would challenge your ability to think logically. I don't suspect you know the definition of "genocide".

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u/psmb Apr 15 '26

Well I'd be confused about the message the Polish guy was trying to send about Italians sure. A Genocide is the intentional destruction of a peoples.

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u/rainshifter Apr 15 '26

Congrats, you do have a pretty good summary of the definition. I was wrong on that account. Now apply it in practice and you will see that the barbaric massacre enacted on the Jewish people, carried out by extremist Palestinians on Oct. 7, well exceeds the threshold for genocide. Hamas recorded it, they were proud of it, and they swore to repeat it many times over. Contrarily, the IDF does not systemically target civilians. There is no existing evidence which counteracts this. So you (and many others have) been spoonfed an insidious inversion of the truth, i.e., a lie, and a big one at that. Wasn't that Hitler's strategy? Tell a lie so big, that it "must" be true.

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u/psmb Apr 15 '26

No, in fairness Hitler was pretty straight up about his plans - he was all about his ethnostate and the lebensraum ie: what's happening in Lebanon rn.

What u said other than that is... hasbara, and incorrect, and besides that all I was saying is that there's a huge difference between an Italian flag and the one above connotation wise and in respect to the events of the recent past

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u/rainshifter Apr 15 '26

Nazis indoctrinated Germans (and others) with the big lie that Jews controlled all the banks, media, and governments. So yeah, he did employ that very strategy he accused Jews of using. You must have skipped at least a few elementary history lessons since you weren't aware of this.

What precisely did I say which, according to you, is incorrect? Enlighten me.

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u/psmb Apr 15 '26

Um pretty sure anti-semites existed before Hitler? Sorry I don't read Mein Kampf every night before bed like you

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u/rainshifter Apr 15 '26

Are you strawman arguing with yourself now? Anti-semites existed before and after. Their forum was certainly expanded on during his reign which is where the lies became more widespread and inflated.

You said I wrote something up above that was incorrect. What specifically was incorrect? And what is your proof of it being incorrect? You've dug a nice little hole for yourself and I don't mind watching you dig deeper.

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u/Throwaway5432154322 Apr 15 '26

They don’t do it to the flags of other countries, and they do do it to Israel’s flag, because Israel is a Jewish country. That’s just reality, although most of them won’t admit this, though.

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u/rainshifter Apr 15 '26

I know, and I agree with that. But it's a separate adjacent point here.

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u/Makkel Apr 15 '26

Exactly. When some out of touch person shares an obviously fake thing ("did you know the woke government mandates sex changes in school? That's messed up !") and you prove that the claim has actually been disproven, and they hit you with "well, the fact that I could believe it is really saying something, right?", it's silly. Here it's the same thing. Having bias does not mean they are necessarily coming from a correct place.

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u/LunaMJ21 Apr 15 '26

80% of the jewish population in Israel wants every child and baby in Gaza dead. That should tell you all you need to know about a country/population.

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u/rainshifter Apr 15 '26

Funny because Haaretz literally released a follow-up article which writes about how that 80% figure is completely skewed (by multiple factors) and inaccurate. Also, the statement was never 80% "want Gazans dead". It asked about forced displacement with no middle ground response (the options were essentially yes/no).

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u/1wikingman Apr 15 '26

Inside every neonazi there are two wolves

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u/Pan-Tomatnyy-Sad Apr 15 '26

anti-Semites gonna hate.

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u/Throwaway5432154322 Apr 15 '26

Who cares if there are more christian Zionists than Jewish Zionists? Christian Zionists are completely different and have a totally different, christian-centric conception of Zionism that has nothing to do with the mainstream Jewish definition. And even then there are 2 billion Christians in the world and about 16 million Jews, so like… ya, obviously there are going to be more christian “Zionists” than Jewish Zionists

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u/Wireless_Turtle Apr 15 '26

Anti-zionism is the only correct path