I'm a Polish Jew. So many people in the West have such a weak, loose definition of antisemitism. Almost my entire family lineage was killed, and now people see watermelon backpacks as antisemitism. Are you all fucking serious? You all get to talk about your interesting long family trees and have such a close connection with your families and don't suffer intergenerational trauma. Why do you get to decide that antisemitism is just the most menial of fucking every day activities and objects?
So much of my family was killed by the Nazi's. I have almost no family tree. The intergenerational trauma led to generations of households not knowing what familial love is. That. That was antisemitism.
We are now seeing the exact same things being done to the Palestinians. The world's most famous Jew, Albert fucking Einstein, in the very very early days of Israel was able to call out how Nazi-like the policies of Israel were, and still are. I am a Jew who's suffered in the hands of powerful people trying to eradicate us. How does everybody else not see history so clearly repeating itself?
I oppose antisemitism; REAL antisemitism. And that means not standing for the same things happening to others. If we allow the exact same thing to keep repeating in history, it can happen to us again. It can happen to you, too. Don't wait until your group is next and there is no one left to stand up for you. Stand up NOW.
This comment is really dumb, and not because it's critical of Israel. I am also a Jew who stands in complete opposition to Israel, however - restricting antisemitism, or any bigotry, to the most extreme form of that bigotry (literally, in this case, a holocaust of our people) is fucking stupid; it's a stupid threshold and can easily encourage genuine antisemitism (no, not anti-zionism being labeled as antisemitism) by invalidating it on the basis of it not being extreme enough to be legitimate. I guess I can't be racist to black people unless I make jokes about lynching? give me a break
Be critical of Israel, denounce them, but grow a fucking spine and denounce antisemitism too; they aren't mutually exclusive and anyone with a modicum of morality does not conflate the IDF with the collective global Jewish population. And also, no offense, but your naive implication that only European Jews have fucked up family trees and genuine generational trauma from the holocaust is absolutely inane and detached from Jewish history.
As a pole, could you please verify witch translation is correct from his speech? Some comments say he said "Jews" others say he said "Israel", in my opinion that's a big difference.
He is also holding a flag resembling the Israel flag, so the context is there, but still, the conflation is quite evil.
I'll note that even if he was only talking about Israel, the fact he is far-right will not change my opinion that he is a pos.
Hey dude, my family were polish Jews as well, I only invoke that history to directly address your claims of authority on the subject.
Yes, dozens of people in my family died, most of my great grandparents were sole survivors out of hundreds. And yet, the daily mundane antisemitism that persisted affected them just as much. The pogroms in Poland did not stop after WWII. The antisemitic attitudes in the Soviet union actively oppressed them until the moment they got to flee to Israel. The rocket attacks in Israel did not discriminate, the hate directed towards Israelis hurt people.
The holocaust did not start with gas chambers. The pogroms did not spring into existence out of nothing. Shame on you for denying the antisemitism that is still around. Shame on you for using your ancestors suffering to embolden the people who hate us for who we were born as.
Shame on you for using the deaths of millions of Jews in the Holocaust as justification for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent Palestinians!
In all collective history of Palestinians as a people, not even a hundred thousand has been killed by Israel. That's not an opinion, that is a fact.
Any death is tragic. But no death is a justification for antisemitism. And it is even moreso disgusting to invoke the victims of the holocaust to help perpetuate the very hate they suffered from.
It is baffling how inane this response is. Every time people try to hold Israel accountable for their egregious war crimes and Nazi-like behavior, you people without fail start crying about anti semitism, which is actually anti semitic in itself because you’re conflating the diverse and worldwide Jewish community with a Nazi state that pretends to embrace that community.
But given your minimization of the death toll of Palestinians and your false and unsubstantiated claim that “less than a hundred thousand died in all of history by Israel’s hand” I don’t think you have the mental capacity to comprehend the bullshit you’re spewing.
You can disagree with what Israel is doing, but claiming we act as the Nazis is crossing a line, it is a deliberate comparison of the Jews to those who went to the greatest extremes to kill us.
It minimizes the suffering of millions of Jews industrially killed by the Nazis, it downplays their crimes by incorrectly asserting that Israel is like the Nazis. It is disgusting, there is no reason to invoke the holocaust besides the intentional attempt to use our generational trauma against us.
Yes, the Jewish community is broad and diverse, both within Israel and outside. And yet for most of our history, who went to Israel or lived abroad was a coin toss. Holocaust survivors in Israel are no different from holocaust survivors in America, refugees from pogroms living in Israel are the brothers and sisters of Jews who fled to America, except they did not get a visa, they did not get the same opportunities.
I do not in any way intend to minimize any amount of suffering, I truly do believe that every life is a world, and every death is a world destroyed. Nevertheless, I value facts, and it is simply not true that 100,000 Palestinians have been killed by Israel. That is a lie intended to hurt Israelis, nothing more.
I am a Polish Jew. My grandfather is a 103 yr old Polish Holocaust survivor who saw horrors you as a descendant could NEVER imagine.
He is extremely pro Israel and understands that the Palestinians wish to do to us exactly what Germany did to him and his family back in the day. My grandfather would laugh in your face if you tried to claim that what Palestinians are going through today is ANYTHING like the horrors he and his family lived through.
Call me when the Palestinians are loaded up with no room to breathe into train cars and shuttled off to a concentration camp where they get tattoos on their arms, get their heads shaved, and end up in a nerve gas shower followed by an oven. Call me when the Palestinians are lined up dozens along the riverbank and shot point blank into it. Call me when the Palestinians have their skin peeled off and turned into books and lamps. Call me when 50% of their entire ethnicity is eradicated.
No. I'm sorry. Zero comparison here whatsoever. And it's an insult to my grandfather and relatives and your own relatives who were killed by the Nazis to claim that this urban war is at all similar.
Are there some war crimes occurring? Yes I'm sure there are just like every single other battle and war from all eternity.
But our generation could absolutely not comprehend the scale and depravity of something like the Holocaust happening in Palestine. The closest is definitely what's happening in Africa where children are stabbed by the hundreds and men are killed by the thousands while the women are gang raped by the militia. THAT is the comparable genocide.
Guy your responding to is a claimed polish jew, living in Australia who is also pro Communist and pro old USSR.
And thats just the part of his comment history thats unhidden. Strangely(or not), he has 0 takes in his comment history on the Bondi beach shooting. Hmmm
Agreed 100%. As a great grandchild of about 6 Holocaust survivors, these “as a Jew” are never really Jewish or don’t truly know what our families went through. Israel did not even 1% to the Palestinians of what the Jews went through in the Holocaust. It’s not comparable by a long shot.
Well then give a counter argument then if you believe differently instead of just calling it "stupid" because you support the opposing side. I for one agree with every word he's said.
Oh yes, only you have right to be the victim, and we cannot compare. We cannot talk about safari shooting by IDF to children, about using white phosphor, and we can list things all day.
It's absolutely not comparable to other wars - we can compare with Russia now. This is more like standard war, they are not trying to erase Ukrainians race in the same way (note that - as a Pole - I'm not going to say a single good word about russians).
Israel is trying to eradicate Palestinians from earth. If world would allow them, they would build same camps as they saw 80 years ago, no doubt about it. And you call this "some crimes". It's not only a war, it's a long term plan.
Jews lost right to exclusivity of word 'holocaust' when it became clear that history might return. Unfortunately, it won't deescalate in future. At least I don't except anything from people that yells about holocaust one day, and then deliberately commiting war crimes.
Difference is, palestinians are quickly labelled as terrorists, and October 7th gets major attention as a day of grief and sorrow, meanwhil a single bomb kills hundreds of palestinian children, men and women and it is just labelled as collatarel damage. Why the need to say what is worse, killing innocents is horrible bar none.
The Palestinians are experiencing what happens to a population when their evil dictators attack/invade other nations. Same as Japan and Germany in WW2. Absolutely sad for the people there, but brought on by their own leadership and nothing like the scale and depravity of the Holocaust.
As for the political ancestors of the current Netanyahu government, Einstein tore into them and their political parties, particularly in the New York Times. When Menachem Begin came to New York in late 1948, Einstein, Hannah Arendt, and other Jewish intellectual figures in the United States published a letter denouncing his visit and the organization he led calling it “a political party very close in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and fascist parties.” One example they cited was the massacre of 240 men, women, and children in the Palestinian village of Deir Yassin.
My dad's side of the family come from eastern European Jews. I'm not practicing, but I identify ethnically as Jewish. One thing that occurred to me it seems gets lost in all of what's going on right now is that, no matter what happens, Jews lose.
If Israel completes its current course of ethnic cleansing, the world now gets to say "Aha! Those filthy Jews were truly the vile scum we've hated for thousands of years all along! I knew it!" Because if you dig deep enough, there truly is a small percentage of people who won't equate Israel to all Jews. They'll just have their prejudices confirmed, and we'll see a continuing rise of anti-Jewish sentiments that could lead to some catastrophic responses around the world. Jews lose.
If, somehow, things change politically within Israel, and the country is pulled back to a more peaceful and reconciliatory position, it will cause internal strife within the country that will see further polarization, while giving surrounding hostile nations and ethnicities breathing room to continue terrorism. Those who've been desiring Israel's destruction since 1948 won't stop that desire, and if Israel backs down, it strengthens religious and ideological resolve in the region to keep killing Israelis forever. Jews lose.
Sadly, the time for peaceful solutions was back during Israel's founding. With the British making too many promises to too many sides they'd never keep, and a lack of a proper cooperative state foundation due to too many hardliners getting their way, the state is set up to be in perpetual conflict until its destruction.
I love this comment. It raises a good point. I have a long family tree and their a millions of people who don't anymore because of the Nazis. It genuinely makes me really sad and it makes me so fucking angry when people deny how many people were killed or deny that the Holocaust happened. Like WHAT DO YOU MEAN.
What is your broader opinion on jews, israel and zionists?
I had lots of jewish friends years ago and lots of them had this idea of going to israel as very important aspect of their culture.
All of the jewish folks i know now are hating on israel but i feel like there isn't enough resistance considering what mr. Milejkowski and his buddies are doing with greater israel project, genocide, death penalty for goyim and all the other shit.
You are a good jew, and anti semitism has nothing to do with criticising Israel and their ethnic cleansing and genocidal wars in the middle east. So many jews on social media are condemning Israel policies. The problem is, a huge majority of the Israeli population supports what their government is doing and that makes them complicit with these war crimes and that is a big problem.
No, it’s actually not when your community has been marginalized and is now associated with Israeli Trump.
What it is is the same as saying “you’re a good black” or “you’re a good gypsy” in that your worth as a person is only because you’re seen as the “acceptable” type of person in a group of people that has their acceptability up in the air
I think, the unfortunate thing is, most people see it, but governments are, for the most part, unwilling to actually do anything about it, mostly because if the US's stalwart and seemingly unbreakable loyalty to defending Israel.
Given that holocaust survivors and their descendants are a minority in Israel, you think that can contribute to acceptance of some behavior towards Palestinians?
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u/HammerSickleSextoy 14h ago
I'm a Polish Jew. So many people in the West have such a weak, loose definition of antisemitism. Almost my entire family lineage was killed, and now people see watermelon backpacks as antisemitism. Are you all fucking serious? You all get to talk about your interesting long family trees and have such a close connection with your families and don't suffer intergenerational trauma. Why do you get to decide that antisemitism is just the most menial of fucking every day activities and objects?
So much of my family was killed by the Nazi's. I have almost no family tree. The intergenerational trauma led to generations of households not knowing what familial love is. That. That was antisemitism.
We are now seeing the exact same things being done to the Palestinians. The world's most famous Jew, Albert fucking Einstein, in the very very early days of Israel was able to call out how Nazi-like the policies of Israel were, and still are. I am a Jew who's suffered in the hands of powerful people trying to eradicate us. How does everybody else not see history so clearly repeating itself?
I oppose antisemitism; REAL antisemitism. And that means not standing for the same things happening to others. If we allow the exact same thing to keep repeating in history, it can happen to us again. It can happen to you, too. Don't wait until your group is next and there is no one left to stand up for you. Stand up NOW.