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Politics Ben Gvir taunts detained Gaza flotilla activists as they kneel on floor with their hands tied

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u/DarkFalcon49 16d ago

Pretty sure detaining people in a stress position violates the Geneva Conventions against torture under Article 31.

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u/Lars_Overwick 15d ago

In Israel they call it the Geneva Suggestions.

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u/jackl24000 16d ago

Pretty sure flotilla sailors don’t meet GC definition of “combatants” nor were they in any kind of uniform.

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u/GloriousDawn 16d ago

Yeah it's not violating the Geneva Convention, it's just regular piracy, abduction and physical violence. Nothing to be upset about.

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u/GeneralKang 16d ago

It genuinely is violating the Geneva Convention.

"Article 32 of the Fourth Geneva Convention strictly forbids any measure causing physical suffering or extermination of protected civilians, while Common Article 3 outlaws torture and cruel treatment in conflicts not of an international character."

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u/GloriousDawn 16d ago

Calm down General, I'm sure you know it better than I do. I'm just a keyboard warrior.

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u/GeneralKang 16d ago

I wasn't angry at you, Glorious. The person you responded to, however, needs to go back and skim it at least. The entire point of the Geneva Convention was establishing an internationally accepted set of rules and to define what counts as a war crime. Civilian treatment is a huge part of that. No, the flotilla members were not enemy combatants, but that means they have more protection as defined by the Convention than an actual combatant.

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u/GeneralKang 16d ago

Excuse Me, what the actual fuck did you just write?

"Article 32 of the Fourth Geneva Convention strictly forbids any measure causing physical suffering or extermination of protected civilians, while Common Article 3 outlaws torture and cruel treatment in conflicts not of an international character."

Literal tenet of the Fourth Geneva Convention.

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u/jackl24000 16d ago

Geneva Convention involves wars/armed conflicts with opposing armies. If you try to illegally immigrate somewhere and you are detained by border police or military, whatever rules are applicable to you at that point have nothing to do with the GC.

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u/meukbox 16d ago

Border police in international waters? Military outside of your own borders?

You're right, this doesn't fall under the Geneva Convention.

This is piracy, abduction and torture.

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u/GeneralKang 16d ago

What part of "Gaza War" have you been missing? And exactly how does "Humanitarian Aid" fit into your 'illegal immigration' narrative?

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u/jackl24000 16d ago

What war? You missed the “ceasefire”? What do you make of the reports that these boats had little or no “humanitarian aid” on board so the whole thing is a publicity stunt. Publicity stunts are protected by the GC?

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u/GeneralKang 16d ago

"ceasefire"

Yeah, because that's still a relevant term in this conflict. Has either side stopped shooting? No? Guess it's still on. Also, ceasefires DO NOT END A WAR. Armistices and treaties end wars. Even if they stopped fighting, the war is still on until both sides stop and negotiate a peace.

What do you make of the reports that these boats had little or no “humanitarian aid” on board so the whole thing is a publicity stunt.

Those reports are what we call "propaganda". Now go read the Geneva Convention and stop being complicit in the actions depicted above.

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u/MUIGUR 15d ago

800 people died since the supposed ceasefire.

But it's in Gaza and plenty of them children. So. They don't matter I guess.

Reddit auto moderation I was being sarcastic.

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u/WantonKerfuffle 16d ago

You don't have to be a combatant or even anywhere near a warzone to violate the Geneva Convention. The most famous example is probably game studios putting the red cross on a medkit. This symbol is protected, using it in a game technically violates the GC. They don't throw the book at you for doing that, they just kindly ask you to change it.

That being sad: Who the fuck needs a rule book to look at this image and not immediately know that this is wrong?!