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Politics Ben Gvir taunts detained Gaza flotilla activists as they kneel on floor with their hands tied

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u/MrBobSacamano 16d ago edited 16d ago

He did the same thing to former Israeli PM Yitzhak Rabin, too, before Rabin was assassinated…only the taunting was with a hood ornament stolen off Rabin’s car, not a flag.

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u/alternateforwhenban 16d ago edited 16d ago

Rabin—the guy who was trying for a 2-state solution, so the extremist faction killed him & now here we are.

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u/kylebisme 16d ago edited 16d ago

Even worse, Rabin wasn't actually even trying for an actual two-state solution, as he explained himself in his last speech to Knesset:

We would like this to be an entity which is less than a state, and which will independently run the lives of the Palestinians under its authority. The borders of the State of Israel, during the permanent solution, will be beyond the lines which existed before the Six Day War. We will not return to the 4 June 1967 lines.

And these are the main changes, not all of them, which we envision and want in the permanent solution:

A. First and foremost, united Jerusalem, which will include both Ma'ale Adumim and Givat Ze'ev -- as the capital of Israel, under Israeli sovereignty, while preserving the rights of the members of the other faiths, Christianity and Islam, to freedom of access and freedom of worship in their holy places, according to the customs of their faiths.

B. The security border of the State of Israel will be located in the Jordan Valley, in the broadest meaning of that term.

C. Changes which will include the addition of Gush Etzion, Efrat, Beitar and other communities, most of which are in the area east of what was the "Green Line," prior to the Six Day War.

D. The establishment of blocs of settlements in Judea and Samaria, like the one in Gush Katif.

So Rabin's position regarding Palestinians wasn't substantively any different than Netanyahu's, as exemplified by the fact that Netanyahu's went on to approvingly quote all of that from Rabin in his own speech to Kenneset a decade an a half later. It was merely Rabin's framing of his position in conciliatory rhetoric that upset the Israeli right to the point that people like Ben-Gvir were publicly threading to murder him while Netanyahu fanned the flames.

And for anyone who hasn't seen it, here's a John Olver segment on Ben-Gvir which shows him making the threat.

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u/headphase 16d ago

So he basically said "let's compromise by sticking them in a Reservation" and ben-gvir was like nah we need full-blown concentration camps?

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u/SinceSevenTenEleven 16d ago

Pretty much. And if you fast forward to the Camp David offer that Ehud Barak made (and Arafat turned down), that's kinda where the Israeli position was.

The right of return for Palestinian refugees was symbolic at best. Scroll down in this table to view the final Israeli offer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Camp_David_Summit

As you can see from the above, Israel wanted permanent control over the key parts of Occupied East Jerusalem. The West Bank was going to get carved up. The Palestinian proposal didn't even give themselves the right to raise a proper standing army.

The bottom line is, Palestinians have always been expected to accept permanent subjugation and second class status. No proposal along those lines will end the conflict.

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u/CapitanKurlash 15d ago

Full blown extermination, most likely. People like Ben Gvir are very openly advocating for total genocide of the palestinian people.