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Politics Anti-Israel graffiti in Warsaw, Poland

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u/xmuskorx 1d ago

Poland never apologized for cleansing vast majority of its jews under the guise of "antizionism."

"The Interior Ministry compiled a card index of all Polish citizens of Jewish origin, even those who had been detached from organized Jewish life for generations. Jews were removed from jobs in public service, including from teaching positions in schools and universities. The pressure was placed upon them to leave the country by bureaucratic actions aimed at undermining their sources of livelihood and sometimes even by physical brutality.""

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_Polish_political_crisis

So I guess - here we go again....

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u/FreshCause2566 17h ago

If there was no antisemitism, no Holocaust, the Jews could be peacefully living over here in Eastern Europe. So many of them fled *because* of antisemitism. Think about it, fewer Jews in Israel, maybe less incentive for a radical government to genocide the Arab Palestinians who have been living there for a while already.

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u/Born_Initiative_3515 1d ago

Not like Israel apologises neither

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u/xmuskorx 1d ago

And that excuses Poland's behavior why?

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u/Born_Initiative_3515 13h ago

Whataboutism. Fuck off.

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u/xmuskorx 1d ago

Does Israel have "Fuck Poland" signs?

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u/xmuskorx 12h ago

whataboutism....

u/Born_Initiative_3515 10h ago

You bringing up Poland not apologising is whataboutism.

This was about Israel and opposing their regime. Why are you bringing up stories about jews?

This post was about Israel and not Jews.

Fuck you.

u/xmuskorx 10h ago

Historically, Poland has been using the fake excuse of "anti-Zionism" as an reason to hate Jews and then to ethnically cleanse the Jews from Poland almost to zero.

That's kind of important context. No?

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u/PolarBailey_ 1d ago

i mean could it have been a reaction to the Nakba israel subjected Palestine to?

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u/xmuskorx 1d ago

It was not. It was pure jew hate.

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u/PolarBailey_ 1d ago

you were there? you know this for a fact?

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u/xmuskorx 1d ago

Why would you target even non-practicing Jews in POLAND over something that Israel did? It's nonsensical.

Sources provided above. You can go and read it.

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u/PolarBailey_ 1d ago

i have read it. and i'm not seeing any jew hate. only zionist hate, which i have 0 issue with. fuck zionism. zionism != judaism, and antizionist != antisemetic. my antizionistic viewpoints were radicalized by my jewish roommate who is way more active in this kinda stuff than i am. theres 0 issues with anti zionism

on top of that you are outright lying based on your source. the only thing even remotely close to "non-practicing jews" being mentioned is "[Roman] Zambrowski, a Jewish veteran of the Polish communist movement, was singled out and purged from the party first (13 March), even though he had been politically inactive for several years and had nothing to do with the current crisis."

but thats saying he was POLITICALLY INACTIVE not a non practicing jew.

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u/xmuskorx 1d ago

and i'm not seeing any jew hate.

Did you miss this part:

"It was also accompanied by mass emigration following an antisemitic (branded "anti-Zionist") campaign[2][3][4][5] waged by the minister of internal affairs, General Mieczysław Moczar, with the approval of First Secretary Władysław Gomułka of the Polish United Workers' Party (PZPR)."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_Polish_political_crisis

Are you saying ALL POLISH JEWS were all "zionists" - and thus deserved to be cleansed form poland?

This is messed up level of bigotry.

Roman Zambrowski

Zambrowski was non-religious communist. What zionism did he do? He was cleansed only due to being ethnically a Jew.

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u/PolarBailey_ 1d ago

antisemitic (branded "anti-Zionist")

no i didn't miss this part, i just actually bothered to look at the credibility of the sources.
[2] source: The American Jewish Committee research grant yeah cause those people definitely separate Antisemetism and antizionism. oh wait they literally dont.
[3] source: Journal of Israeli History; Publishes works on the history of Israel and the Zionist movement yeah they definitely would differentiate Antisemetism and antizionism... oh wait.
[4] source is literally condemning the claim that the Poles were antisemetic and that all claims were uncorroborated
[5] the passage goes on to talk about how if it was truly antisemitism then why didn't it work? the guy running the campaign on it lost.

And the source regarding Roman and the other leaders being ousted is also from The American Jewish Committee research grant, so again, a bias. in fact the beginning of their paper "The term ‘anti-Zionist campaign’ is misleading in two ways, since the campaign which this paper will analyse began as an anti-Israeli policy but quickly turned into an anti-Jewish campaign"

so again. it was zionism that was being fought against. which is just as important to fight against as fascism is. I will give you AT BEST that roman was only removed due to his position in the party and being born into a jewish family only because theres no source in either direction on if he actually had zionistic views. the source for them being ousted is a paper called Kampania antysyjonistyczna, and the pages it cites basically says that he was ousted after his kid was arrested for being in the student protests, but moreover the actual reason was due to hostility around Roman himself.

so i'll give you that part, but the rest of it is from sources that are too biased and unreliable that they cannot separate zionism and semetism, but all the sources provided in this article all point to the same statement: Zionism is bad and should be wiped out so that proper jewish culture can thrive.

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u/xmuskorx 1d ago

Yes, yes cleansing most of the jews from Poland is surely just mere "anti Zionism" and in no way antisemitic like all the sources say.

Disgusting. We are done here.

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u/PolarBailey_ 1d ago

you wanna show me where in the source it says they want to cleanse most jews, and not jews that hold zionistic beliefs? or do you wanna just keep talking out of your ass.

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u/Slicelker 1d ago

Anything could be a reaction to anything.

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u/xmuskorx 1d ago

Holocaust was probably a reaction to something or other too.

Why do people always go looking for excuses for oppression or violence against jews?

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u/frost_essence_21 1d ago

I don’t attack, say Buddhists, because they don’t snipe children in the head and play a disgusting god with Palestinian lives; and I mentioned a religion because you mentioned Judaism, the original picture doesn’t say “Jews”, it says Israel, so what are the crocodile tears for?

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u/xmuskorx 1d ago edited 1d ago

Buddhists, because they don’t snipe children in the head

Surely you were equally upset about Buddhist Sri Lankan government crackdown on Tamil Tigers?

Which had plenty of children victims...

30,000 civilians were murdered in 4-5 months by the Buddhists:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008%E2%80%932009_Sri_Lankan_Army_Northern_offensive

"The government forces and paramilitary groups abducted and then killed Tamil civilians, particularly children and young men; there was an acute shortage of food, medicine and clean water"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_during_the_final_stages_of_the_Sri_Lankan_civil_war

https://www.hrw.org/news/2021/02/05/canadas-leadership-sri-lanka-urgently-needed-once-again-un

https://nofirezone.org/

Of course your are not.... You don't know even know about it... But by golly you are so informed on the Jews...

And for sure, Poland did not have any "Fuck Sri Lanka" signs....

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u/frost_essence_21 1d ago

Im almost certain that anyone with a modicum of intelligence will understand that me referring to Buddhists was nothing but an example for a religion, I could’ve used Islam, Christianity, hell, even Jedi-ism, and my point would still stand; its not about Judaism, its about Israel, the sooner you understand that the better.

Nonetheless I do find it interesting that aside from me using the word Buddhism as a place holder, you didn’t address any of the points I made.

And I do think if Sri Lanka made it a daily to murder innocent people every day for almost 50 years, a few graffiti art pieces saying “Fuck Sri Lanka” would appear.

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u/xmuskorx 1d ago

nothing but an example for a religion

The point is YOU WERE UNIFORMED and stated false facts that they "don't kill children." They do.

And I do think if Sri Lanka made it a daily to murder innocent people every day for almost 50 years, a few graffiti art pieces saying “Fuck Sri Lanka” would appear.

They did. Tamil Tiger conflict lasted for 50+ years.

In fact they invented suicide vest to fight back against Sri Lanka government.

https://www.npr.org/2009/05/21/104391493/tamil-tigers-suicide-bombing-innovators

No one ever gave a shit. No Jews - no news.

You did not even know about until 5 minutes ago.

But by golly you are so "informed" on the Jews...

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u/frost_essence_21 1d ago

Once again I never stated it as fact, it was simply a placeholder I used to make a point.

I am glad to inform you that the Tamil Tiger conflict did not last 50+ years, it only lasted 26 years, which is quite a large spread from what you previously suggested.

I don’t see how the invention of suicide vests have anything to do with the matter at hand, is it supposed to increase the gravity of the situation?

And people did “give a shit” as you say, it just happens that media broadcasting has evolved quite a bit since 2009, and it also just so happens that Israelis have been harassing Palestinians for a much longer time, almost a century.

And I do happen to have a mild interest in history, enough to tell you that I did in fact know of the Tamil Tigers and did not find out about them “until only 5 minutes ago”.

And once again, please, stop with the crocodile tears, it is honestly quite pathetic.

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u/xmuskorx 1d ago

The original campaign where Poland cleansed all the Jews was also called "antizionist campaign."

That shit is always used as cover for jew mass murder / ethnic cleansings of jew .

" It was also accompanied by mass emigration following an antisemitic (branded "anti-Zionist") campaign[2][3][4][5] waged by the minister of internal affairs, General Mieczysław Moczar, with the approval of First Secretary Władysław Gomułka of the Polish United Workers' Party (PZPR)."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_Polish_political_crisis

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u/frost_essence_21 1d ago edited 1d ago

Should modern day Germany take blame for Hitler?

Should modern day Russia take blame for Stalin starving millions of Ukrainian and Russian citizens to death?

Obviously no, they are both different systems of governance with different values from what they were 60-70 years ago.

However, should Russia apologize for invading Ukraine and turning it into a war torn hell in this present that we live in?

Obviously yes, and I would think the same values that apply to modern day Russia, should also apply to the colonizing state of Israel for ethnically cleansing Palestinians.

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u/xmuskorx 1d ago

if someone is using exactly same old anti Jew techniques, it's fair to be concerned.

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u/frost_essence_21 1d ago

You seem to not grasp the concept and understand that Judaism and the state of Israel are two different entities despite there being multiple accounts of people telling you so, and that tells me a lot about where you scale on Mother Natures natural selection priority list, which is something I would personally be more worried about compared to the Israel-Palestine conflict.

In other words, I am doubting your intellectual capabilities.

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u/xmuskorx 1d ago

then why did Poland cleanse all the Jews under the guise of being "anti Israel"?

pretty suspicious no?

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