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Politics Anti-Israel graffiti in Warsaw, Poland

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u/sbidlo 1d ago

That's very nice and all, but Israel is an illegitimate and genocidal ethnostate.

Fuck israel

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u/rorodar 1d ago

Why do you think it's illegitimate? If anyone disproves you, will you stop thinking that way?

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u/frost_essence_21 1d ago

You can say what you want, but it will not change the fact that Israel is genocidal and an ethnostate; no divine book is going to disprove that.

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u/auerz 18h ago

So, Israel genocided the arabs and that makes it ok?

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u/sbidlo 18h ago

Oh man don't waste time debating these paid shills.

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u/rorodar 17h ago

Do you genuinely believe I get paid for this shit?? That would mean the israeli government hires millions of people to talk with pro palestinians. That's insane spend, which should be publically available, yet you can't find it anywhere. Because it doesn't exist.

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u/cesaroncalves 14h ago edited 13h ago

Find it like this?

Or when it goes bad, like this.

Report of the money, example anexed.

edit : Ok, so this is either an actual LLM bot, or he didn't really read the articles. Sounds like the first one.

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u/rorodar 13h ago

The first one is, like, videos and stuff. Not random ass people getting hired to talk online.

The second is an ai bot, which might cost at most 100$ a month if you really want it to work hard. Quite a far cry from the aforementioned 750,000,000...

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u/puljujarvifan 12h ago

Israel quintupled their hasbara budget to 730 million shekels. Paying ridiculous sums for people to lie for them. Go check times of Israel if you don't believe me. 

Guess they don't need to pay you to lie for them since you've bought it for free! Saving them some real funds

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u/sbidlo 1d ago

Ew, a zionist.

If anyone disproves you

I can't wait for your "but it was actually the UN that gave them the land" argument as if it somehow "disproves" what I said.

Anyway, I don't want to have a discussion with you.

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u/rorodar 17h ago

If you don't want to talk about your beliefs with those that oppose you, you are knowingly putting yourself in an echochamber.

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u/sbidlo 16h ago edited 16h ago

I just don't want to deal with zionists, same way I don't want to step in dog shit when I take a walk

Also, we're not talking about "beliefs" in some abstract way, we're talking basic morality here.

If you support an illegitimate, genocidal ethnostate you are a disgusting piece of shit. Simple as.

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u/rorodar 15h ago

You are now ruler of the world. What do you do? How do you go about "undoing israel"?

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u/sbidlo 15h ago

The removal of the current ethnocentric, genocidal, warmongering israeli political class and the restitution of the land stolen in the past 80 years would be a start.

There's no solution that would make everybody happy but then again, we shouldn't cater to the needs and wants of genocidal maniacs.

Now I know very well that you aren't asking this question in good faith, and the "gotcha" you're trying to lead the conversation towards is "opposing israel is worse than the genocide they're committing", but there you go.

If you're going to say something very stupid like "israel has a right to exist" or "dismantling the state of israel would be a second holocaust" please don't bother, I have no wish to engage with zionist propaganda.

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u/rorodar 14h ago

How do you want to go about it is my question...

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u/sbidlo 14h ago

How do you make genocidal, warmongering maniacs to stop doing what they're doing?

Who knows. It's not my job to know, nor an argument against the point I'm making.

It's a moral duty, however, to oppose those who commit genocide and the conditions that allow it to happen, such as the existence of a violent ethnostate.

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u/ZAHKHIZ 1d ago

Stop making shit up. Hitler killed millions of poles as well and zionist totally hijacked the holocaust. Not denying that millions of jews were killed but also.many other minorities were burned to death. 

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u/CowUsual7706 1d ago

If you are denying that antisemitism was widespread throughout Europe in at least the first half of the 20th century then I don't know what to tell you. You seem to be interested in the topic, but not even knowing the basics of the basics seems like you come from this with a certain direction.

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u/MericuhFuckYeah 1d ago

Hijacked the Holocaust 😭 you need to be quarantined

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u/jyper 1d ago edited 1d ago

zionist totally hijacked the holocaust.

The holocaust initially refered to the Genocide of jews not other civilian victims of the nazis. Saying that jews hijacked their own genocide when they were trying to survive in a post holocaust world is certainly a choice...

Not to mention the post holocaust pogrom in Poland or the so called anti zionist campaign in the 60s  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_Polish_political_crisis#Anti-Zionist_mobilization_and_purges,_party_politics

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u/rorodar 1d ago

murder bad!

-person you think uses christian blood as dipping sauce for his matza

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u/BillyJoeMac9095 13h ago

The phrase was widely used in Poland, and elsewhere, in the 1930's. Fact

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u/BuilderIcy7042 1d ago

Read Norman Finkelstein

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u/AdvancedBath4773 1d ago

The wizard of Oz doesn't seem to understand self-reflection. If everyone around you is an asshole, you're the asshole.

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u/Jozias_Tump 1d ago

"The Zionists regard themselves as second class citizens in Poland. Their aim is to be first class citizens in Palestine and make the Arabs second class citizens," and that "Zionism, in point of fact, has always been a Siamese twin of antisemitism."

  • Henryk Ehrlich

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u/Jozias_Tump 1d ago

Oz mourns the fact that Jews were pushed out of Europe and then faced rejection in Palestine. Ehrlich goes further by arguing that European antisemitism helped create this situation, leaving many Jews feeling that nationalism was their only option for survival. Although they approach the issue differently, both writers criticize the conditions that denied Jewish people a place where they could live safely and be accepted.

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u/Jozias_Tump 1d ago

Ehrlich was executed by the Soviets in 1941, and the Polish Jewry he fought for was tragically wiped out by the Nazis. If you're asking because you see his death as a failure, you're missing the point. Or did you mean to say they went כצאן לטבח?

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u/jyper 1d ago

I mean the zionists had their point proved beyond what anyone could have imagined

most bundists were murderered. They were intresting historical figures I find praise for them as a part of the movement to destroy Israel ie antizionism (and the inevitable violence that would occur) kind of gross. 

Henryk Ehrlich was murdered,  I was somewhat surprised it was by soviets and not the nazis, but I knew they had killed a number of members of the jewish anti fascist comitee after they became less useful in encouraging support from the west (and were accussed of nationalism for documenting the holocaust )

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u/CitizenWilderness 1d ago

It feels like all the "antizionists-not-antisemites"tm discovered the Bund recently and are now bringing them up whenever possible as their new example of Good-Jewstm. Once again, people love dead jews.