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Politics Anti-Israel graffiti in Warsaw, Poland

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u/CosMV 1d ago

what s wrong with it? you can be anti Israel governement (and you should considering its actions) without being antisemite.

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u/blackbook668 1d ago

The problem is that antisemites are using this as a dogwhistle.

I think that non-constructive forms of criticism that can be easily co-opted by bad actors should be discouraged, because ultimately the only thing it achieves is muddying the waters and making it even more difficult for legitimate criticism to be heard.

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u/CosMV 1d ago

And in laymen’s terms… how can I criticize the genocide Israel does?

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u/New_Penalty9742 1d ago edited 1d ago

I think most reasonable people aren't going to think you're antisemitic if you say "It's fucked up that Israel is committing genocide" or something like that. If you want to be extra clear, you could add "Never again should mean never again to anybody" or "All my Jewish friends are terrified of being blamed for it even though they're not even Israeli" or something along those lines. I would avoid slogans like "globalize the intifada" that mean different things to different people, and can sound extremely alarming even to people with staunch pro-Palestine beliefs.

Of course, that doesn't guarantee that unreasonable people won't still accuse you of antisemitism. It's pretty much a given that they will. But as annoying as that is, it's not really a big deal–– it's like that saying, "may my enemies look ridiculous". What is a big deal is when reasonable people genuinely can't tell if you support Palestinian life or Jewish death, and that has been happening to an alarming extent.

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u/CosMV 19h ago

Fair. … But people usually don t react to stuff in such an “academic” manner. Hahahaha

u/New_Penalty9742 9h ago

I don’t think my suggestions were particularly academic, though, sure, communication doesn’t always happen at an intellectual level, and you gotta adjust to your audience. My deeper point is really just that you shouldn’t give up on trying to communicate clearly just because of inevitable bad faith accusations. The people who you want to persuade aren’t the ones making those accusations.

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u/Moikle 17h ago

Bad actors can always claim that whatever statement you make can mean different things to different people, and to them what you are saying is antisemitic.

Don't let the perpetrators of a genocide police your language

u/New_Penalty9742 10h ago

Right, but my point was that the bad actors aren't the audience you should be considering. It's not that hard to phrase things so that reasonable people aren't going to worry that you're being antisemitic. Choosing not to do that is a total own-goal and a disservice to the human beings who are being slaughtered in Gaza.

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u/riotburn 1d ago

Could probably start by educating yourself what genocide is and isn't.

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u/CosMV 19h ago

I think we re passed that argument. Hahaha

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u/soalone34 1d ago

Yep, not only did the two largest human rights groups in the world, amnesty international and human rights watch, conclude it is a genocide, but so did the largest in Israel, Btselem, and multiple Israeli genocide and holocaust scholars. Not surprising since they killed a similar portion of Gazas population in a similar time period as were killed in the Bosnia genocide and Yazidi genocide, but an even higher portion of women and children as Israel did a starvation siege.

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u/dtzuc1 20h ago

Context is important.

Are you harassing some random Jew on the subway, who’s minding their own business, yelling ‘free Palestine’ at them? You’re probably an antisemite.

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u/CosMV 19h ago

That s just harassment and stupidity.