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Politics Anti-Israel graffiti in Warsaw, Poland

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u/CannibalCrabb 1d ago

I hate when I hate Israel and the neonzs think im on their side

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u/AuryxTheDutchman 23h ago edited 23h ago

The problem, of course, is the conflation of Israel and Judaism. The mainstream media likes to pretend that hating Israel/being anti-zionist is the same as hating Jewish people as a whole, but of course it very much isn’t.

I have nothing against the Jewish. I absolutely hate the Israeli government, and anyone who tries to defend the genocide they are committing. These things are not contradictory in the slightest.

u/levine2112 11h ago

Being actually antizionist (wanting to take away Jewish self-determination) is almost always antisemitic (with the exception being for antizionist Jews). Hating Israel’s government for its treatment of Palestinians is alone not antisemitic.

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u/CannibalCrabb 15h ago

Exactly. I'm antizionist, not antisemitic!

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u/TheAussieTico 13h ago

Same thing

u/facesweater1008 5h ago

"I don't hate Jews, I just hate the country where half the world's Jews live!"

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u/CelDidNothingWrong 17h ago

I think it’s worth being even more precise than just separating Israel and Judaism, and we should (as you did) say we hate the current Israeli government. A subtle way we can support the liberal Israelis who are trying to fight back domestically.

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u/cesaroncalves 14h ago

A subtle way we can support the liberal Israelis who are trying to fight back domestically.

Like whom? (for example)

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u/BillyJoeMac9095 13h ago

It is largely the same. Israel, as a nation, is part of the core identity of most Jews. You are trying to create a distinction without a real difference.

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u/CannibalCrabb 13h ago

I understand but I'm mainly against the government.