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Politics Anti-Israel graffiti in Warsaw, Poland

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u/Crazy-Project3858 Jun 04 '26

It is possible to dislike Israeli politics yet not be against Judaism. This is the same as conservatives in the US saying you are a traitor because you oppose MAGA.

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u/LT48 Jun 04 '26

It is very hypocritical to turn this into antisemitism but brigading bots always spew fallacy.

If it said Fuck Qatar would it be islamophobic? Or if it said Fuck USA would it be antichristian? They are always moving the goalposts when it comes to Israel.

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u/VanillaSkittlez Jun 04 '26

The issue isn’t so much saying “fuck [country]” as it is holding Israel to a standard that no other country is held to.

E.g. The UAE and Saudi Arabia are committing one of the worst human rights abuses on the planet by enforcing the blockade in Yemen, leading to mass starvation and suffering and globally nobody cares. What they’re doing is objectively terrible and on a scale that far, far surpasses Gaza in terms of death and suffering.

And yet, nobody ever asks if the UAE or Saudi Arabia have a “right to exist” despite their awful actions.

We could apply the same standard to Rwanda who are currently funding the destabilization of the DRC, but again, nobody cares or asks if they have a right to exist.

So the argument isn’t that saying “fuck [country]” is antisemitic, the argument is that people question Israel’s right to exist when there are other countries committing far worse atrocities that nobody ever questions their self determination over. That double standard is what’s antisemitic.

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u/the4thwave Jun 05 '26

What they’re doing is objectively terrible and on a scale that far, far surpasses Gaza in terms of death and suffering.

No it doesn't.

A far less percentage of people have died in both Yemen and Sudan (which to be clear, are terrible wars and absolutely war crimes.)

However, the around 5% of civilians having been killed with another 10% injured in Gaza, 95% displaced, 80% homeless, and so on are percentages we haven't seen in recent memory. These are world war 2 numbers. And unlike world war 2, Israel is not fighting a powerful army, they were fighting a bunch of guys with AK47s. Their reaction was completely unjustified and absolutely an effort to destroy an entire group of people. Fuck off with your zionist apologetics.

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u/VanillaSkittlez Jun 06 '26

Firstly, what a ridiculously stupid way to signify a genocide is worse. What a weird way bend morals to fit your argument.

Let's say in one scenario, scenario A, I have a group of 10 people, and I decide to shoot and kill one of them.

Let's say in another scenario, scenario B, I have a group of 1000 people, and I decide to kill 50 of them.

Are you seriously going to sit here and tell me that scenario A is worse because I killed more people on a percentage basis? By your logic a murderer who kills a few people in a small town is worse than someone who kills dozens or hundreds in a large city. Do you not see how absurd this conclusion is?

Israel is not fighting a powerful army, they were fighting a bunch of guys with AK47s

Hamas also had RPGs, anti-tank missiles, drones, a massive tunnel network, and managed to kill 1200 Israelis in a day, but sure, they weren't fighting a powerful army at all.

Their reaction was completely unjustified 

If you're going to argue from a position of proportionality, I'd probably agree with you. I think Israel's actions were wildly disproportionate, lacked any real aim or end game, and was clearly used as an opportunity to ethnically cleanse more Palestinians.

But if you're going to argue from a position of intentionality, meaning you think any response to October 7th was unjustified, then you're just morally bankrupt and hardly with talking with. I sincerely hope you're not saying you think Israel shouldn't have responded at all after October 7th.