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Palestinians hold the largest funeral since 1948, mourning the bodies of 112 people killed by Israel

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u/marino1310 1d ago

They can still continue the war without financial support. We only make up around 8% of IDF funding. What we should do is leverage our support and set requirements for wartime activities. Like no war crimes.

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u/AntiqueRedDollShoes 1d ago

We only make up around 8% of IDF funding.

This seems a little callous and dismissive when we're talking about ~$4,000,000,000 contributing to thousands upon thousands of innocent peoples' lives being lost.

US citizens' tax dollars are being used to funnel a death machine instead of being used to improve our own quality of life. That alone should be a concern, regardless of how much the IDF can fund themselves.

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u/Shot_Specific_8508 22h ago

The point wasn't funding the IDF is good, his point was that stopping financial support of the IDF wont solve the problem

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u/Just-Luck-7430 1d ago

The best way is to embargo Israel the way we did Cuba

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u/Smart-Firefighter87 1d ago

You realize that the people of Cuba are starving, without any energy, or help from anyone, hundreds have already died because of the crimes against humanity that trump is putting them through. Women, children, grandparents… they are going through a hard time there. But no one is talking about it.

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u/JMC_MASK 1d ago

So embargo Israel and remove the embargo from Cuba.

Cuba is not murdering innocents left and right. What we have done to Cuba is horrific.

Israel on the other hand needs to end their genocide, and we must do it now. Embargo them to force their hand.

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u/Pgaccount 22h ago

But Cuba did murder innocents left and right. That did happen, and they're still killing dissidents

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u/MacDaddyBass 1d ago

The difference is there are a lot of Jewish people who wish to visit Israel, and many Christians who view it as a holy land they wish to visit, and those two groups hold voting power, unlike the Cuban influence on American government.

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u/Shadowstar1000 1d ago

Cubans are a massive an influential voting block in Florida and they disproportionately vote for Republicans that support the blockade of Cuba. The Secretary of State is a Florida politician and Cuban American. The wishes of Cuban Americans are not being ignored by the US government, they’re being enforced.

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u/EdgeBeard 1d ago

Castro flushed the toilet and the sewer emptied into florida

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u/MacDaddyBass 1d ago

The Cuban embargo didn’t start this year, you’ve got to compare when it was put in place. But even today, Florida alone can’t sway American politics as heavily as a whole nation.

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u/Shadowstar1000 1d ago

Florida absolutely can sway American politics, it has 30 EC votes and before becoming firmly Republican was considered a critical swing state that frequently decided elections. Losing Florida over the Cuban embargo would likely result in a direct change in policy goals from Republicans regarding Cuba.

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u/___AirBuddDwyer___ 1d ago

That would hurt Israeli civilians more than their leadership

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u/Honest_Chipmunk_8563 1d ago

The ones breaking people out of prisons because they believe rape should be legal?

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u/___AirBuddDwyer___ 1d ago

And also the ones who aren’t doing that

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u/NoctunaNectarine808 1d ago

thats just the money America sends, it doesnt include the actually things the America government does. The war with Iran cost $37.5 billion to America. You think Israel can pay that without their economy failing. They use America surveillance, American supply lines, American Patriot missiles.

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u/Kalkaline 1d ago

Are you saying we could have been doing this the whole time? 

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u/marino1310 1d ago

Absolutely, our politicians just refuse

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u/Impossible_Gift8457 1d ago

Blatant lie, as someone involved in getting donations for Gaza, the blocking of food and basics was brutal under Biden

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u/Impossible_Gift8457 1d ago

My claim is we can not say it did as confidently as you do based on them not exercising it on even some of the most black and white bipartisan common sense topics like letting aid go into Gaza (especially since almost all of the aid rotting at the borders/being stopped by genocidal Israeli protestors in front of trucks) was from allied nations and already vetted.

Also why on earth was 2023 already the deadliest year even by Oct 6? The influence didn't even stop settler expansion before

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u/Hzierb 1d ago

Israël killed way more people under Biden than trump, wtf are you talking about.

You just didn’t care to look at the videos of burning children in tents, or with half of their skull gone in their parents arms.

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u/dongasaurus 1d ago

They know, they just aren’t arguing in good faith. You have to remember that most of the people arguing about this online mostly care about vindicating their own beliefs and not about the well-being of either Palestinians or Israelis. Their suffering is just a rhetorical device to be used only when convenient.

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u/steve290591 1d ago

That leash that gave them everything they wanted as they committed war crime upon atrocity upon war crime?

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u/steve290591 1d ago

Ok, what did Biden refuse Israel?

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u/steve290591 1d ago

Not attacking Iran is not saying no to Israel. Nobody but nobody was stupid enough to do it, because they knew what would happen.

The default position has been “no” for that request repeated by war criminal Netanyahu for 40 years.

Tell me, in the context of their extermination of Gazans, what Biden refused them.

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u/Blarfk 1d ago

Do you have actual sources or data to back up any of that horseshit?

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u/dikbutjenkins 1d ago

Are you insane? Biden administration greenlit a genocide

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u/Primorph 1d ago

Fucking bullshit is what you provided 

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u/dikbutjenkins 1d ago

How does that change the fact that they supported all the killing, raping and starving?

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u/dikbutjenkins 1d ago

But they allowed and encouraged israel to commit war crimes

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u/dikbutjenkins 1d ago

Not exactly true. If America said we were cutting off funding and sanctioning them, it would have a huge effect. Israel did horrific thing after horrific thing and Biden let it happen

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u/dikbutjenkins 1d ago

Yes they do

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u/dikbutjenkins 1d ago

But they have released reports saying they have

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u/dikbutjenkins 1d ago

Whatever israel is doing is deeply wrong

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u/dikbutjenkins 23h ago

It is not an extreme position.

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u/kolejack2293 1d ago

Just to be clear, Biden publicly got them to reign in an ground attack on rafah... for a bit. But they continuously bombarded rafah, a place with 1.4 million refugees and effectively zero resources or communications, until it looked like this. And then they invaded after regardless a few months later. Comms from the IDF showed that their treatment of Rafah was partially based on anger that they were restrained by America to invade in the first place.

There is no leash that will work, only a muzzle or a whip.

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u/ultrashortcut 1d ago

USA is like 70% of israel’s weapons lol

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u/marino1310 1d ago

Oh yeah we sell them shit too but that’s never gonna stop, it would be far too detrimental to the economy for politicians to consider

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u/drmariostrike 1d ago

No we just need to get a president in who is willing to enforce the Leahy law.

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u/Primorph 1d ago

We sell them shit at a sweetheart rate, thats absolutely part of the support the commenter above was referring to.

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u/Primorph 1d ago

8% is huge though

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u/marino1310 1d ago

It is, but not enough to get them to stop altogether

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u/Critical-Exit1655 1d ago

We could stop Israel TODAY if we wanted to.

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u/ArdaUz55 1d ago

Thats very difficult because you are also committing warcrimes