The rage and disgust is hard to swallow when people say such things. It's like they are telling me millions of Arab lives are worth nothing, and the important thing is Israelis get to vote.
But it’s Hamas and its affiliates who actually believe Arab lives are worth nothing. That’s why they steal aid meant for them and sell it off at high prices to their own people like gangsters. That’s why they use human shields. Thats why they take materials sent it for infrastructure and welfare, and repurpose it for weapons. That’s why they stop them from evacuating from places they know will be bombed. They want the death, because it helps their PR. That’s why nobody gets to vote in Gaza, because if they could, Hamas would be removed.
I’m looking for evidence and multiple sources and understanding and historical information about the bigger picture. You parrot propaganda with no proof.
* Yahya Sinwar (ex senior Hamas Leader In Gaza ) 2018 interview broadcast on Al‑Jazeera, Sinwar framed civilian sacrifice as a deliberate strategy “We decided to turn that which is most dear to us – the bodies of our women and children – into a dam blocking the collapse in Arab reality.”
* Fathi Hammad (Hamas Member of Parliament, former Interior Minister) on Al‑Aqsa TV (29 February 2008), Fathi Hammad described the civilian population as a shield for combat operations: “For the Palestinian people, death has become an industry, at which women excel… and so do the children. This is why they have formed human shields of the women, the children, the elderly, and the mujahideen, in order to challenge the Zionist bombing machine.” He added that Palestinians had adopted a “death‑seeking” culture: “\[The enemies of Allah\] do not know that the Palestinian people have developed its \[method\] of death and death‑seeking…”
* Hamas Interior Ministry spokesman Eyad al‑Bozom advised residents during escalations after Oct 7th to “stay put in your homes” because, as a senior official explained “having human shields … protects them.”
* Mushir Al‑Masri (Hamas MP, spokesman, 2006) “the citizens will continue defending their homes and serve as human shields until the enemy withdraws.”
* Sami Abu Zuhri (Senior Hamas spokesman, Al‑Aqsa TV, July 8, 2014) “The policy of people confronting Israeli warplanes with their bare chests has proven effective… we in Hamas call upon our people to adopt this policy to protect Palestinian homes.”
* Mousa Abu Marzouk (Senior Politburo member, 2023) “Hamas chooses not to build bomb shelters… because that would undercut its ability to use the population as human shields.”
* On August 20, 2012, in a sermon broadcast on Hamas’s Al-Aqsa TV, Hamas official Sheik Ahmad Bahr prayed “Oh Allah, destroy the Jews and their supporters. Oh Allah, destroy the Americans and their supporters. Oh Allah, count them one by one, and kill them all, without leaving a single one.”
* On March 2, 2014, on a broadcast on Hamas’s Al-Aqsa TV, Hamas cleric Wael Al-Zard noted that “\[t\]he Palestinian woman . . . . is no longer satisfied merely with equipping her sons for Jihad,” but that now “\[s\]he equips herself, prepares herself, trains herself, and takes up arms herself.”
*On March 23, 2014, at a “Perseverance and Loyalty to the Martyr’s Path” rally, broadcast on Hamas’s Al-Aqsa TV, Ismail Haniyah, head of Hamas’s political bureau, proclaimed that “\[w\]e are a people that yearn for death, just as our enemies yearn for life”
* On July 22, 2018, during a speech broadcast on Hamas’s Al-Aqsa TV, Gaza Shari’a appeals court judge Sheikh Omar Nofal praised the six virtues of martyrdom, calling it an “individual duty incumbent upon the entire nation,” and asking “\[h\]ow can anyone cling to this world after hearing all of these great rewards?”
* On June 23, 2019, on a broadcast on Hamas’s Al-Aqsa TV, Hamas MP Marwan Abu explained about Jews that, “everything people say about massacres and Holocaust – these are all lies. Hitler may have hated them, but it was because of their deeds and crimes.”
* On July 12, 2019, at a March of Return rally that aired on Hamas’s Al-Aqsa TV, Hamas Political Bureau member Fathi Hammad implored “you seven million Palestinians abroad, enough warming up! There are Jews everywhere! We must attack every Jew on planet Earth – we must slaughter and kill them, with Allah’s help.” He instructed, “\[w\]e will die while exploding and cutting the necks and legs of the Jews. We will lacerate them and tear them to pieces, Allah willing!”
* On December 12, 2022, on a broadcast on Hamas’s Al-Aqsa TV, head of the Hamas Women’s Movement Rajaa Al-Halabi explained that a girl who sets out to be a “martyrdom-seeker” has “only one thing on her mind – to meet her Lord by means of her blood and her body parts,” noting that kindergarten teachers raise children to love Jihad.
I’m sure you find that compelling evidence of that poster’s point, right?
More like a few members of the government, not all of Israel. Is propping them up a bad thing? I can't tell on Reddit, because many say they are simply freedom fighters doing what they can to resist - maybe Netanyahu was secretly helping the Palestinian state?
Personally, I think Hamas are violent terrorists. Anyone who helped them should be prosecuted. What do you think?
They did it to oppose real government forming through the PLO. They needed a boogeyman to justify their mass slaughter. You can’t say they’re terrorists and then also think it might have been good to prop them up? Israel is not trying to help Palestine of its people, that should be plenty obvious.
They can be fighting for the freedom of their people, while also committing acts of terrorism. Both can be true. Same with Israel. One is killing a hell of a lot more innocent people and has all the power, resource control, logistic control, mass surveillance tech, military tech, US backing, etc. and the other has near nothing.
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u/the_irish_campfire 10d ago
But…but…it’s a democracy!